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Google Says Microsoft Is Driving Antitrust Review

GovTechGuy writes "On Friday we discussed news that Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott opened a probe into whether Google ranks its search listings with an eye toward nicking the competition. Google suggested the concerns have a major sponsor: Microsoft. In question is whether the world's biggest search engine could be unfairly disadvantaging some companies by giving them a low ranking in free search listings and in paid ads that appear at the top of the page. That could make it tough for users to find those sites and might violate antitrust laws. Abbott's office asked for information about three companies who have publicly complained about Google, according to blog post by Don Harrison, the company's deputy general counsel. Harrison linked each of the companies to Microsoft."

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  1. Once again Microsoft abandons innovation by kawabago · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again Microsoft chooses to litigate instead of innovate. I guess Bing didn't crush Google quite as firmly as Microsoft hoped so they had to find proxies to launch baseless legal attacks until they think of something else. The technology landscape would be vastly improved if Microsoft would just dissolve and go away.

    1. Re:Once again Microsoft abandons innovation by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that there is no monopoly here, no lock-in. Lets see here:

      A) No "default" lock-in, fire up a new OEM computer and chances are, Google isn't the default home page or search engine. Usually its one of MS's offerings.

      B) No e-mail lock-in, Gmail supports forwarding and also standardized access via POP

      C) No phone lock-in, Android is by far the most open of the popular Smartphone OSes beating both Windows Mobile and iOS.


      The only thing Google should possibly get an Anti-trust suit is with Google Book Search but that is mostly because of how fucked-up the copyright situation is in the US and not because Google is trying to be evil.

      Being good at something so people use your site is not a monopoly, it is competition.

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  2. Oh, come on. by pedantic+bore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Try finding three major tech companies that aren't linked with Microsoft in some way.

    And when the link is "the lawyers hired by TradeComet include some of the same lawyers Microsoft hired to do similar work in the past" and you're getting pretty close to playing "six degrees of Kevin Bacon".

    If there's a smoking gun somewhere, this ain't it. If this is the best Google's general counsel can do, maybe there isn't a smoking gun anywhere.

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    1. Re:Oh, come on. by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They managed since the reported connection between two of them and Microsoft is that their attorneys have also represented Microsoft on anti-trust issues.

      Because you wouldn't want experienced counsel or anything like that, that's just as good as being a Microsoft subsidiary.

  3. Bollocks by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Google has its hand in anti-trust proceedings against Microsoft as well. What goes around comes around."

    I think you are ignoring the fact that Microsoft is actually flamingly guilty of such antitrust. What you are saying is equivalent to saying that if someone accuses a person of rape, who actually in fact commited said rape, then it is a case of "fair is fair" if the rapist then accuses you of raping them.

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    1. Re:Bollocks by meerling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's more along the lines that as long as the companies are legally allowed to throw lawyers and regulators at each other, they will. The whole good for the goose/gander junk. Of course, that doesn't mean it's right or ethical, much less 'good', but it is something that's done. (Some would argue that it's actually a form of underhanded evil corporate activity. IMO Google gave up their mantra a long time ago, but I wouldn't call this type of stuff evil, just scummy.)

  4. Re:So what? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay true. But in this case, what is being claimed is simply not likely to be true. While I trust google about as far as I can throw it (let it be known and repeated that I distrust ALL marketing/advertising companies) the claims against it are inconsistent with even the most casual observations.

    The antitrust claims against Microsoft, on the other hand, were quite valid. And, as it turns out, the remedies against Microsoft were clearly not enough as they haven't yet changed their ways fully. (For example, OEM version of Microsoft Office is mysteriously cheaper when purchased through Dell than when purchased through other sources... perhaps this is "Dell's doing" but then again, to what advantage is it to offer MS Office at a perceived discount? Certainly not the user who doesn't get MS Office and still has to pay a partial price for it as that portion of the cost is rolled into the price of the computer.) And I am sure there are lots more examples of the games they play, but it's close to my bed time and the mind is shutting down.

    I'm neither a Google fan nor one of Microsoft. But as someone from the outside, objectively I can't see where the case has merit and it just smells like more of Microsoft's dirty play. After all, this is not the first time we have heard of Microsoft's agenda being pushed by its partners and affiliates.

  5. Re:Gov't killing the market system by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, you really need to go to school or at least read up on the subject. Government antitrust laws are the only reason why we have any free market left. Adam Smith himself was very clear that antitrust regulation was necessary for a free market to exist. In a free market without such regulation you ultimately end up with a single source monopoly over absolutely every item you can buy or sell. It takes a while, but it does eventually happen as it's not in any suppliers interest to have to compete with anybody else. It's usually more profitable to sell out for a hefty fee and a percentage than to see the profits going down the drain as buyers get to haggle.

  6. Re:Oh please. by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that makes no sense. Pre-digital laws when applied in the digital world make no fucking sense and to apply them is stupidity.

    Monopolies are bad in the physical world because they take limited resources and monopolize them. There are only so many oil wells in the world, there are only so much (clean) water in the world, etc. when a single company takes control of them they can charge through the roof and make everyone else pay. But this isn't like that.

    Barring government intervention in the form of software patents, there are no limited resources when it comes to ads on the web, and barring lock-in with physical things or a -huge- company taking all available IP addresses/bandwidth or something, a monopoly can't exist that harms consumers.

    The idea that any company can monopolize infinite resources is laughable. Don't like Google? Use one of their thousands of competitors. Don't like DoubleClick, advertise elsewhere.

    The internet allows for unlimited resources, you can't monopolize infinity. Just because the law says something doesn't mean its right, correct and not fucking stupid.

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  7. Googling MS by varmittang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone else use use Google to search for something thats on a MS website? I mean, their search on their own site is so horrible in finding what I'm looking for that I use google. I can't be the only person that does this.

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  8. A simple search shows MS is full of it by similar_name · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Search 'search engines' on Bing. Google doesn't even make the first page. Although it's picture is used to define what a search engine is. lol Yeah that's an unbiased search. Search the same on Google and Bing is listed second.

  9. Even more obvious by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even more obvious is the fact that Google doesn't have a monopoly on search engines. Obviously, Microsoft has a search engine of their own, which they have invested a lot of money into. Don't like Google, for any reason? Just use another engine: http://www.thesearchenginelist.com/ There is little reason for you to believe that list is truly "comprehensive", either. What does China have? Badu? It's not on that list. Seems ALL those search engines are English language, North American engines, so if you are fluent in some other language, you probably have even MORE choices. The fact that Google is the best for MY needs shouldn't influence people who dislike or distrust Google. They are NOT the only game in town. For Google to violate anti-trust and/or anti-monopoly laws, I believe that it must be established that they ARE a monopoly. I just can't see that. Of course, we are all aware that trials and judges can be bought, I think. Witness all the patent trolls, as well as actions brought by RIAA, MPAA, and others.

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    1. Re:Even more obvious by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You misunderstand the concept of antitrust laws.

      In order for antitrust laws to take effect a company does not need to be a monopoly. It needs to have significant market power. The definition depends on regulator and leeway depends on regulator as well.

      For example regulators in the EU (except UK) and USA allow natural monopolies based around inventions and in new markets. If you invent something new and you use it to create a market or enter an existing market most regulators (except UK) will allow you to grow your company until you have SMP and sometimes even to a full monopoly provided that you stay within your market. However, if you try to leverage this monopoly to enter a new market you will get whacked on short order. Same if you try to leverage it to prevent other players from entering the market you have created.

      Coming back to Google. Google has SMP (and is not in the UK) which is achieved by natural growth and this is one of the reasons why it does not get whacked straight away. Google also is clearly leveraging its SMP position in search space to enter other markets - applications, navigation, etc. This is a different story compared to search space. There, the regulators are obliged to investigate it by law. In fact it is surprising that it is under so little scrutiny. This says volumes about their lobbying and legal arm. Actually looking at the list of job ads they dump on linkedin around here and doing some stats on the ratio of lobby, pr, legal vs engineering makes this considerably less surprising. Not surprising at all in fact.

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