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BP's Gulf Spill Report Shows String of Failures

eldavojohn writes "News is out of BP's report on the gulf spill that shifts some of the blame on to other companies like Transocean that worked with BP in erecting the Deepwater Horizon rig. If you were affected by the spill, you might find the video, executive summary and 193-page report an interesting read. The summary outlines six or seven major failures in safety and engineering that all built up to the deaths of eleven workers and widespread contamination of the gulf. From incorrectly using seawater instead of drilling fluid to misinterpreting pressure test results, this report is just BP's side of the story as the blowout preventer has been pulled up and is still on its way to NASA where it will be analyzed by government investigators who will be able to compile their own report."

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  1. Re:Bad link by Scorch_Mechanic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's something inherently just about a bad summary with a bad link describing the bad behavior of a bad company.

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  2. Complex environment, complex causes by alfredos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is the same with aviation accidents. Sometimes it's just an individual screwing up, but that's the exception. Usually there are multiple causes as well as contributing factors. Unfortunately that doesn't mix well with the mainstream media, which wants a three-word expanation so that they can print in big letters on page one. I have learnt that if I want to know something about a mishap in a complex environment, either I read the whole 196-page document, or it's better if I don't learn anything at all.

    1. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by AnonymousClown · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is the same with aviation accidents. Sometimes it's just an individual screwing up, but that's the exception.

      No, it's the norm if not always the reason. Poke around here and you'll see that just about all aviation accidents are because someone screwed up. The NTSB is excellent at pinpointing the failure. The most I've ever seen was an accident several years ago that had three causes: 1. bad weather, 2. improper maintenance, 3. pilot error in dealing with failure. Most of the time, it boils down to #3 - pilot error.

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    2. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the flip side, the multiple causes from multiple organizations frequently lead to each organization completely absolving itself by saying "well, if the other team's stuff had worked properly, there wouldn't have been a problem." While true, it also means that they will avoid fixing their piece of the problem (and do their best to avoid legal responsibility as well).

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    3. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Usually when you talk about complex causes, you mean that factors A, B, C, and D all interacted in unexpected ways to cause a failure, but that most of those factors on their own are basically innocuous. This can be the case in aviation, which a century out remains a tricky human endeavor.

      Here, we're talking about several major failures, any one of which would be bad on their own. You can't write it off as a "complex cause" when the safety failed because it was improperly maintained, then the safety person failed because he was improperly trained, then the backup safety failed because nobody installed it, etc. The cause is very simple: cutting too many corners.

    4. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by alfredos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is the same with aviation accidents. Sometimes it's just an individual screwing up, but that's the exception.

      No, it's the norm if not always the reason

      I agree a bit with that. But I also think that while NTSB investigation and reports are top notch, they suffer from being (unavoidably) within the same environment.

      I'll give you an example. You can easily support, NTSB reports in hand, that flying by eye in meteorological conditions that are too hard for that (visual into IMC for you pilots out there) is one of the leading causes of accidents in light airplanes. That is too bad. Anybody can get some additional training and learn instrument flying. Well, if it's that easy why isn't it done in the first place? Why does not everybody get at least basic instrument training so that they can keep their act together when the shit hits the propeller? From there you can easily jump to a politics debate but keep with me for a moment. I'll give another example.

      Another leading cause of light aviation accidents is loss of engine power. Now loss of power can be due to a number of reasons: You can run out of gas, for example. Or you can forget to adjust the mixture as you go up or down. Or your carburetor can get ice. There exists technology enough to eliminate or greatly reduce the danger in most of these causes. Why isn't it done? Well, firstly because a fully computerized control system for an aviation engine costs as much as a new car. Now you can argue that the pilot is putting his/her life to risk because of economical considerations, or you can look at the reasons why everything is so damned expensive in aviation. I'll leave it to you, but yes, it's as easy as it seems.

      My point is that it's worth the effort to dig a bit more. You can't expect everybody to be fully proficient at everything they get into. Instead, however, helping environments become safer by promoting safe ideas, technologies, training and norms pays much more than blaming the individual and leaving it there.

    5. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by natehoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      What *wasn't* in the NTSB report: the switch was behind him, in a tight space, and he couldn't see over his shoulder clearly enough to tell if the switch was in the proper place.

      That WAS in the NTSB report, in fact Denver and a mechanic discussed it, the mechanic attempted to attach a pair of vice-grips as a workaround, and Denver said he'd use the autopilot to ensure straight-and-level if he had to mess with it in flight. He also refused a refuel stating that he'd be flying for an hour.

      http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX98FA008&rpt=fa

      But the engineer(s) who put the switch behind the pilot's seat are just as much, if not moreso, to blame

      Actually, the aircraft wasn't engineered that way. Someone (apparently a previous owner) modified it. Denver was aware of the modification, aware of its shortcomings, had actually made arrangements to fix it permanently, attempted a failed temporary fix with an A&P mechanic, then decided to fly it anyway without making sure both tanks were full (in fact, the A&P interviewed stated that Denver had initially tried to start the engine on a tank that might have been empty, meaning Denver's attempts to change tanks would have been in vain since he switched to the only tank with an unknown quantity of fuel left before takeoff).

      Sorry, John Denver was a great singer. But the blame for the crash rests firmly on his shoulders.

      This is a perfect example of a "string of failures". Someone made an ill-considered modification to an aircraft that Denver (an experienced pilot) bought. This modification made it difficult to change tanks. Denver knew about the problem, but completely failed to mitigate it by:

      1. Not making sure he had enough fuel on board in his chosen primary tank for a short flight,
      2. Not making sure he would be able to switch the tanks while in flight,
      3. Apparently not ensuring that his alternate tank had any fuel in it at all, so even if he did manipulate the switch he may well have been switching from one empty to another,
      4. Insisting on a short flight before he would be taking a trip that would give his A&P plenty of time to fix the problem and relocate the switch where it belonged.

      Proper handling of ANY of the four issues above could have turned the disaster into a safe flight (or at least a case of "being down here, wishing you were up there", which isn't usually fatal like "being up there, wishing you were down here" sometimes is).

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    6. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      most private pilots aren't the independently wealthy individuals you seem to think we are

      My comment about wealth was to be understood within the context of a discussion about John Denver. As a famous, successful musician, he certainly was independently wealthy. Most of the plane crashes that are very well-known tend to involve people who are celebrities or businessmen who don't precisely have money problems, which is what I meant by "these". Right or wrong, the working stiff who can barely afford aviation and has a crash doesn't seem to get discussed years after the event.

      Regarding private pilots in more general terms... unless you are a professional pilot working for i.e. the military or a commercial airliner, then you have disposable income. You have merely chosen to allocate it towards aviation. The cost of one personal parachute should be negligible compared to what you would already invest in the airplane, hangar space, training, etc.

      You gave me a very good explanation of why parachutes probably would not result in more lives saved. They clearly are not such a great idea. However, if they would be a really good idea, then I don't know about you but personally, I am willing to go into debt if necessary when I firmly believe it's a matter of life and limb.

      Otherwise, I found your comment refreshing to say the least. It's clear that you and pilots in general have their priorities straight. There's something noble and admirable about going down with the plane if it means you can protect innocent third parties. Other than the volunteer firefighters I personally know, that isn't the sort of heroism I hear so much of these days. Thank you for that.

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    7. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every major incident has a complex cause, maintaining safety devices has nothing to do with it. In all major industrial accidents there are multiple failures that all need to align perfectly in order for something to go wrong. Yes each on it's own right has the potential to cause a problem, but not usually on the scale of hitting the world media.

      For example using drilling mud instead of seawater could have prevented the issue due to better pressure control.
      Operators not waiting to sound the alarm could have mitigated much of the incident and loss of life
      A BOP that had a working battery and front panel meant the well could have leaked for a day not 4 months.

      For a major industrial incident all the ducks need to be lined up in one often very unlucky row.

    8. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by Your.Master · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are reducing cgenman's repeated and coherent explanations to a soundbite that confirms your worldview: "Two Minutes Hate". Yet your position seems to be that reducing arguments to a soundbite is a bad argument.

      Please be consistent. Or explain how your seemingly-hypocritical position here is consistent.

    9. Re:Complex environment, complex causes by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go find the video for the Texas City oil refinery accident - it's another BP fuckup (this one they were entirely to blame for from start to finish).

      The brief rundown is as follows:

      Sensors on a particular tank were not adequate for the purposes of that tank. Basically two sensors were used to measure the fluid level, but as the fluid was never supposed to exceed a certain level sensors were never placed above that level. In other words once the fluid went above the allowed level there was no way to tell what the fluid level actually was. Start-up was a bit of an exception, and fluid levels regularly rose above the sensor level, but before too long returned to normal levels. As a result the instruments regularly went into alarm due to high-levels at start-up. Rather than fix the instruments, it became standard procedure to ignore the high level alarms during start-up.

      The operator room was supposed to be staffed by two operators, but because of recent schedule/employment changes there was only one operator on duty per shift. Also, because it was start-up (shut-down and start-up are a very big deal in any major processing facility) the operators had been working longer hours than normal, and were generally fatigued. This caused poor notes to be passed between the night shift operator and the day shift operator, and the day shift operator re-started or continued a procedure that should have been finished by the time he was on shift, and the fact that it was not was a major warning sign and should have resulted in an immediate shut-down. This confusion allowed fluid levels in the tank to rise 5-10 times safe levels, but because it was standard operating procedure to ignore the alarm, and because the sensors did not give a full picture of the situation, the operators continued unaware there was a problem. Eventually the fluid overflowed, after which there was nothing the operator could have done to fix the problem even if he was aware of it.

      The final piece of the puzzle, the mechanical safety system that triggered after the tank over-flowed, was a retrofit and as such was simply inadequate to handle the amount of fluid coming through, and the emergency vent let out a giant plume of gas, which turned to vapor and grew until it reached a truck that had been left running in the parking lot. The truck backfired due to the extra gas in the air and ignited the plume. The resulting explosion basically killed anything within 100 feet of the plant, which included a set of temporary offices and 20-30 people who had absolutely no business being anywhere near the refinery.

      The cause of the explosion was primarily the sensors on the tank, followed by over-worked and too few operators, followed by an inadequate safety system, followed by employees not following established procedures (leaving the truck running in the parking lot was against company policy). The reason so many people died was because of idiotic decisions - like putting temporary office trailers right next to a potentially dangerous phase of the refining process, which was also against company policy.

      I imagine something similar happened on DWH, except there are three or four companies involved instead of just one. It is the same kind of thing, people who should know better maintaining the status quo instead of raising hell. In the Texas City incident, the operators should have been raising hell about the inadequate sensors. The operators and their managers should have been raising hell about being over-worked and understaffed. The safety personnel should have been raising hell about the inadequate safety relief system. Plant management and the operators both should have been raising hell about the office trailers right outside a potentially dangerous area. Everyone should have been raising hell about the common but frowned upon practice of leaving vehicles running in the parking lot.

      Yet nobody did, and many people died because of it. It took a lot of things to go wrong, but wrong they went. This is how major industrial accidents happen almost every time.

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  3. Re:Bad link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link points directly to an error page. I mean, it actually points to securityerrorpageredirect.jsp!

    http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9034902&contentId=7064891

  4. String of Failures by c++0xFF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course it was a string of failures. I don't care if it's an oil rig or a software bug, it usually takes more than one failure before a problem actually surfaces. It's usually a combination of physical defects, human error, and process failures ... but it takes the entire sequence to fail before something goes wrong.

    The longer it takes for a problem to be discovered, the more failures probably exist in the chain. Honestly, I'd be more scared if only a couple things went wrong.

    1. Re:String of Failures by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But Seriously... In the end it was a lack of BP's oversight to watch over everything to prevent this type of disaster.. This is probably the biggest thing that wrong with big business and politics.. There is no accountability anymore (If there ever was). This appears to be a PR Campaign to draw attention away from BP's faults.. In the end the only lesson that will be learned will be that a good PR campaign after a disaster can work wonders.

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  5. Re:Bad link by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any major disaster is at the end of a long chain of fuckups (this applies to /. stories as well of course). No doubt there's plenty of blame here - many people need to cooperate to keep the chain of fuckups going to where multiple safety and contingency systems fail.

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  6. Did they list corruption? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, the sex and other perks that bought off the regulators?

    Or the part where they pencilled in the report forms on behalf of the inspectors, who would then trace them over in pen?

    I can see how that would slip their minds.

    1. Re:Did they list corruption? by sribe · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know, the sex and other perks that bought off the regulators?

      You're confused. The sex and cocaine was in the Denver office and related to mining in the West ;-)

    2. Re:Did they list corruption? by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Funny

      So when they talked about "offshore drilling rights", they meant the term literally? I thought that was just a euphemism for hookers on cruise ships!

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  7. Ohhhhhhhhh by Sparckus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who lives in a pineapple under the sea

    SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS!

    Who died in an oil spill because of BP

    SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS!

    1. Re:Ohhhhhhhhh by IrquiM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who died in an oil spill because of BP SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS!

      Guess it wasn't as bad as I thought then....

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  8. Re:Queue the Libertarian Rants! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't be a moron, libertarians don't support corporations.

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  9. Rebuttles by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 3, Informative
  10. Re:Just like Clemens... by The+Moof · · Score: 2, Informative

    The others have already responded to the claims, dumping the fault right back at BP. This is going to be interesting

  11. there's another way to say it. by swschrad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "But Ma, everybody did it."

    BP, you're still getting a spanking. you're supposed to set an example, not lead a gang.

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    1. Re:there's another way to say it. by Stevecrox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I read the BBC article on the spill, they hardly said that. Halliburton apparently installed sub standard concrete which should have failed inspection but was somehow passed. Transocean/BP made a number of procedural failures and and a pressure test showed the problem days before it happened and was missed by drilling crew and BP.

      How does that translate to "everybody's doing it?".

      Considering it was a rig owned by BP, operated by Transocean and installed by Haliburton, with parts made by dozens of other companies it would be pretty impressive if the cause was purely BP's fault.

      I still think the US government lept on a bandwagon in order to install a US CEO, who amusingly was far more involved with the rig than the then CEO.

  12. It wasn't failure by countertrolling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's company policy to forgo safety for increased profits. History is full of this. They took a gamble and got beat by a pair of deuces. But they have accountants to take care of it all. The main issue hasn't changed, and we'll be speculating on the the next disaster soon enough.

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  13. Re:Bad link by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is nice tear down of the executive summary. The Oildrum has had an excellent running commentary on the Macondo Spill. It's primarily a 'Peak Oil' site but it is done quite well. My favorite quote from some apparently ancient oil guy named 'Rockman' who's major failing in life seems to be a horrible addiction to Blue Bell ice cream:

    Here's what I saw as critical aspects of the executive summary from the BP report. "Indications of influx with an increase in drill pipe pressure are discernable in real-time data from approximately 40 minutes before the rig crew took action to control the well. The rig crew's first apparent well control actions occurred after hydrocarbons were rapidly flowing to the surface. The rig crew did not recognize the influx and did not act to control the well until hydrocarbons had passed through the BOP and into the riser."



    "Well control response actions failed to regain control of the well. If fluids had been diverted overboard, rather than to the MGS, there may have been more time to respond, and the consequences of the accident may have been reduced."

    And a viable excuse offered: "The explosions and fire very likely disabled the emergency disconnect sequence, the primary emergency method available to the rig personnel, which was designed to seal the wellbore and disconnect the marine riser from the well.

    Given a number of highly questionable decisions, BP appears to volunteer to take a few arrows themselves: "The team did not identify any single action or inaction that caused this accident. Rather, a complex and interlinked series of mechanical failures, human judgments, engineering design, operational implementation and team interfaces came together to allow the initiation and escalation of the accident. Multiple companies, work teams and circumstances were involved over time."

    So BP may claim a collective blame but I go back to their lead off position: ""the crew... did not act to control the well". If you followed the debate between syn and I you can see how I take BP's report: yes...BP and others made mistakes. BUT the TO drill crew "did not act to control the well". And that lack of action allowed the kick to turn into a blow out that killed 11 hands and wrecked the GOM.

    Opinions will vary, of course. And in the end there will be legal judgment rendered. But each person, including the surviving participants, will come to their own conlusions.

    Summary of the Summary: BP did a bunch of stupid things, but it was TO's (Trans Ocean - the rig owner) responsibility to control the well even if BP purposely designed the rig to fail. They didn't do that. And Boom. IMHO this is not a shot across the bow of Transocean...it's an arrow aimed straight at their heart: "the crew... did not act to control the well".

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  14. Re:Bad link by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, at least the summary didn't kill anybody.

    TFS: The summary outlines six or seven major failures in safety and engineering

    Yet nobody's in prison for negligent manslaughter. But if I'm not paying attention and run over a single person, I go to prison. Must be nice to be so rich you're above the law.

  15. Snore by kenp2002 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until people go to jail for the deaths what point or purpose does any of this mean? Wealth clearly puts a person above the law and above manslaughter charges. It's that simple. Arguing the fingerpointing is wasted energy since, regardless of the fault, no one will be held accountable. The government will take a bribe in the form of a penalty\fine and all the PEOPLE who lead to the deaths will walk free. The only time the wealthy suffer consequences is when they harm other wealthy people.

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  16. Re:Bad link by Coren22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or to be a corporation that cannot be held liable as a person can.

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  17. Re:On a side note by chrb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since when has ocean drilling even a part of space exploration? Or any drilling for that matter?

    One of the anticipated problems of future space missions is that humans will need to find resources outside of the Earth environment. The amount of energy required to lift materials out of the gravity well of our planet is huge, so it makes sense to explore other options. NASA has researched laser drilling, deep drilling Mars for water, Moon drilling, low energy mobile drilling etc. NASA's remit is not just shooting satellites into orbit, it is also to conduct early stage R&D for exactly this kind of stuff.

    And why the FUCK is NASA the only expert around to be able to help the stranded miners?

    NASA employs many experts with the skills to do detailed drilling, modelling and geologic and seismic analysis.

    Why does NASA have not only the desire, expertise, or the capability to test a BOP?

    Who would you rather have test it? Deep sea drilling is a tight-knit industry. I would be surprised if there were any independent testing labs for this technology.

  18. Re:Queue the Libertarian Rants! by enjerth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The libertarian principle is more like giving the least trust to those with the greatest power. It's not in support of anything except personal freedom. It just happens that you get the worst of both worlds when you introduce regulation as the government selects "qualified" individuals, such as former CEO's of industry leaders, to give regulatory power to in their given field. I wouldn't want them selecting unqualified individuals, but the qualified ones have a history of personal investment and are likely quite partial. They don't make for impartial regulators.

    Such as Michael Taylor, former VP of Public Policy at Monsanto Corp. and Monsanto lobbyist, appointed to senior FDA food safety adviser. Or Roger Beachy, former president of the Danforth Plant Science Center, another branch of the Monsanto Corp., is now heading the National Institute of Food and Agriculture.

    You don't trust corporations, but you refuse to realize that regulation just supports more corporatism?

    Your government only gives you the illusion of protection and safety. You are really on your own in this world. We'd just like to have the government acknowledge that fact.

  19. Re:Queue the Libertarian Rants! by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Libertarian party's website:

    We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives and other types of companies based on voluntary association. We seek to divest government of all functions that can be provided by non-governmental organizations or private individuals. We oppose government subsidies to business, labor, or any other special interest. Industries should be governed by free markets.

    Sure looks to me like they support them.

  20. That's not the problem by kimvette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who did what which led up to the leak is not the major issue in most people's minds, I think. Accidents can and will happen. This same type of accident will happen again sooner or later. Whether anyone involved was negligent in the construction or if it was unknown factors leading up to the explosion and leak is immaterial.

    What is upsetting about the issue is that the responsibility of the response (or lack thereof) falls into the laps of both BP and the Obama administration. Here is the list of problems I see:

    * The rig operator (BP?) is supposed to have rapid response plans and technology in place should an event occur
    * BP execs sat with their thumbs up their asses trying to save money by serializing plugging attempts, instead of readying the efforts in parallel so in the event that one attempt fails the next could be engaged within hours rather than weeks
    * BP was allowed to use dispersants which take 50,000 years to break down, just to minimize the appearance of the leak. BP took advantage and released tens of thousands more gallons per day than allowed, and refused to cut back even after the EPA told them to cut back. If they had not used dispersants, the oil would have been more likely to form tarballs sooner, and bacteria/fungus that feeds on hyrocarbon compounds would have started to break it down more quickly. They ought to have let nature take its course rather than allow it to disperse and spread much faster. Now the fish in that region are going to be contaminated and who the hell knows what that will do to offspring - and children who eat that fish.
    * They fought against press coverage tooth and nail, even though photographic and video footage would help to ascertain the extent of the damage and assist in planning the next response action
    * the United States government turned it into a total clusterfuck by refusing help from the Netherlands (who have extensive experience responding rapidly to this sort of thing), refused to proactively clean the spill before it reached shore, and actively blocked the state of Louisiana from taking action. They also did much to shield BP and Haliburton by enforcing no-fly zones and restricting access by boats and to contaminated shoreline

    Now, people love to slam Bush for not letting the fed jump in when Katrina hit - what they refuse to accept is that Federal law prohibits the federal government from interfering in such cases unless assistance is first requested and a state of emergency is declared, or the local government becomes incapacitated. Where Louisiana (New Orleans in particular) refused assistance, the Bush administration could hardly be blamed for not interfering. Eventually commons sense overruled the red tape and the feds stepped in even as the mayor and governor insisting they could handle it (uh, right. They blew it.). And yet, Bush is slammed for "hating black people" even though he was paralyzed by federal law and could not legally act even though the fed was mobilized to do so.

    The Obama administration had jurisdiction to handle anything offshore and could have taken many steps to protect the shoreline: accept help from European nations, immediately order BP to commission more ships, at BP cost, to deploy booms and to hire skimmers, and to allow the Louisiana government to act since they were prepared to mobilize to protect their own interests. They failed at every turn and it was not a case of nonfeasance, or failing to act as the law requires, but malfeasance. The Fed went out of its way to slow down response, seemingly to protect BP and Haliburton, which greatly increased contamination. The Obama administration actively blocked action at every turn, and yet is praised for how it handled/is handling the situation? Had we accepted help from European nations, and had we allowed Louisiana to act locally, much of the shallow water marine life would have been spared this contamination.

    I don't take issue with the accident, although if it is due to negligence I believe

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  21. Re:Queue the Libertarian Rants! by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Huge crime organizations exist because they take advantage of government interference. The Prohibition effectively created the market Al Capone made millions serving.

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  22. Re:Bad link by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It always devolves into he said she said. Phrases come up like "that's not what I meant", "I never said that, I said...", "that's not what I heard...". It's always "nobody's fault". If you try to hold a single person responsible, it'll inevitably be the poor schlep with no actual authority who did what he was told without having enough authority to know about the other things that were don so that the action became dangerous.

    The corporation, however, can be held responsible. Anywhere from surrendering years worth of profits in lieu of jail time and a supervised parole process where their internal documents are an open book to relevant watchdogs. As you point out, breakup and sell-off as substitutes for the death penalty. Needless to say, executive bonuses should be suspended for the period of any sentence. How well could they have performed if they allowed a corporate culture that lead to committing felonies?

  23. Re:Bad link by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Summary of the Summary: BP did a bunch of stupid things, but it was TO's (Trans Ocean - the rig owner) responsibility to control the well even if BP purposely designed the rig to fail. They didn't do that. And Boom. IMHO this is not a shot across the bow of Transocean...it's an arrow aimed straight at their heart: "the crew... did not act to control the well".

    Summary^3: BP's report says "That sucked. But it was mostly someone else's fault."

    Big surprise.

  24. Re:Bad link by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They didn't do that. And Boom. IMHO this is not a shot across the bow of Transocean...it's an arrow aimed straight at their heart: "the crew... did not act to control the well".

    This is how all these investigations work. Nearly every major incident has such a multitude of failures in defence mechanisms leading up to it that it is actually quite easily to say "It's not my responsibility because if X happened then the entire situation could have been avoided." For example:

    The Texas City incident could have been avoided by operations not overfilling the column. Damn operations. Or it could have been avoided if the high level switches in the column worked. Damn maintenance. Or it could have been avoided by the blowdown stack being connected to the flare relief line (the piping ran very close so this wasn't an expensive option). Damn engineers. How about a culture of routine complacency in the workplace? Damn Management!

    Could apply the same thing to Three Mile Island. Operators should have realised there was no water in the cooling system and not cut the feed. Damn Operations. The PORV should have properly autoreclosed and not jammed open. Damn Maintenance. etc etc.

    Chernobyl? Operators should not have shutdown the SCRAM shutdown system, engineering should have an interlock that prevents the removal of control rods so far out of the reactor and the sudden re-insertion etc. etc. etc.

    This was Transocean's fault. It was Haliburton's fault. It was definitely BP's fault too.

  25. Re:Bad link by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Summary of the Summary: BP did a bunch of stupid things, but it was TO's (Trans Ocean - the rig owner) responsibility to control the well even if BP purposely designed the rig to fail. They didn't do that. And Boom. IMHO this is not a shot across the bow of Transocean...it's an arrow aimed straight at their heart: "the crew... did not act to control the well".

    That's not how it works in the oil and gas business and I have many friends in the industry. The ultimate responsibility is in the hands of the well owner, not the rig owner. In this case that is BP because BP called all the shots. And that is the company people will sue. There are a number of things that BP did to bypass Transocean's safety protocols. While it appears that Transocean may have damaged the BOP before handling control to BP, you don't know if BP knew that. There is evidence BP pressured Transocean to finish off the well their way. Transocean wanted 3 concrete plugs with finishing mud in between. In order to save time, BP did not want the finishing mud. Professor Robert Bea who was asked to investigate the incident by the White House says if the mud had been left, there may have not been a blowout even if the BOP was damaged.

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