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Scientists Cut Greenland Ice Loss Estimate By Half

bonch writes "A new study on Greenland's and West Antarctica's rate of ice loss halves the estimate of ice loss. Published in the journal Nature Geoscience, the study takes into account a rebounding of the Earth's crust called glacial isostatic adjustment, a continuing rise of the crust after being smashed under the weight of the Ice Age. 'We have concluded that the Greenland and West Antarctica ice caps are melting at approximately half the speed originally predicted,' said researcher Bert Vermeeersen."

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  1. Re:Great news! by elbow_spur · · Score: 5, Informative

    > We all know that the ice is still melting (but slower than we thought).
    This year we are going to see a new record low for arctic sea ice --- surpassing even the dramatic 2007 decline.
    http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.arctic.png
    What's really startling is that this year, both the NE and the NW passages are completely open. This animation tells the story
    http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/animate.arctic.color.0.html
    Typically, shipping through the NE passage relies on Russian icebreakers. Judging by the satellite photos, at this point the icebreakers aren't needed
    Source: cryosphere today http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

  2. Re:Great news! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Informative

    So even if there's no climate change, it verifies climate change.
    But if there's +5C change, then, by golly, global warming has been falsified! The results didn't match prediction.

    In all seriousness, though, I think there's a real paradox in what we consider falsification and verification in science if the above two statements are both true.

    Yes, there's a problem with what you consider falsification. Falsification applies to theories, not to observations.

    If the temperature rises 5C, it would falsify the theory by which we model and predict global warming. However, the observation of global warming would be stronger than ever. So, we'd have to change our theories.

    It's similar to how experiment falsified the Caloric theory of heat because the result did not match predictions, but did not falsify the concept of heat. Observations that did not match Newton's Law of Gravity did not "falsify" the observation that gravity exists.

    On the other hand, a temperature change of 0 degrees, that would validate the theory by which we model and predict global warming. However the observation would be of no global warming for that period. It would be correct to say "there was no global warming in this ten year period". Just remember that unlike a theory or model, this would not "falsify" the previous observations of warming.

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