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(Don't) Make Your Own Fire Tornado

Flash Modin writes "In the last two weeks, both water and fire tornadoes have been widely covered by the media. As any physicists would have, we immediately thought 'I want to do that!' SO... You should absolutely, under no circumstances, not attempt to recreate the following fire tornado; but if you did, here's exactly what you would need, how you would do it, and what it would look like."

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  1. There's an easier way... by johnhp · · Score: 5, Informative

    The version in the story is too complicated, but there's an easier way. The catch is that it has to be really cold outside... I'd say at or below freezing.

    All you have to do is acquire a bottle of lighter fluid and a lighter. A zippo lighter works best. Spray a puddle of lighter fluid on cold pavement. Light the fluid (may take a while, it's difficult to ignite when cold). Once it's burning, stand back and spray a steady stream of lighter fluid into the flames. After a spray or two, a fire tornado will develop. I've made fire tornadoes that were an inch or two thick and at least ten feet tall.

    1. Re:There's an easier way... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      +5 Interesting but Insane

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    2. Re:There's an easier way... by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes... I seem to remember this particular method resulting in second degree burns on two of my friends when the fire flashed back to the bottle of lighter fluid and exploded.

      Not recommended. Steady streams of flammable liquid connecting flame to a fuel bottle is a stupid idea.

    3. Re:There's an easier way... by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

      I worked at a small airport, and trained as crash crew.

      Part of the training involved a six-foot-square metal pan full of oil, which the instructor lit.

      It was while standing there with the hose, hand on the lever but thinking that the foot-thick tornado of fire towering over me was way too beautiful to put out, that I realised I maybe wasn't the best person for the job...

    4. Re:There's an easier way... by nloop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, you are making that up. Lighter fluid isn't very explosive. The little plastic bottle doesn't contain enough oxygen to cause an explosion. Good luck getting the flame through the tiny spray nozzle while spraying fluid out of it. Physics are against your story. While calling shenanigans on this I figured I'd consult youtube. If this were possible, there would definitely be videos. The only videos are the tins of lighter fluid literally doused and burned from the outside in. Totally different, that features boiling fluid exploding a tin.

    5. Re:There's an easier way... by Shatrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can imagine the rest.

      No I can't. There's no oxygen in the bottle. I can see people being burned by spraying too much out and creating a fireball, but I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario in which the bottle explodes without already having been on fire long enough to melt through the plastic.

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    6. Re:There's an easier way... by Desert+Raven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not uncommon for pyromaniacs to become firefighters.

      In rural areas, a number of arson cases end up being traced back to volunteer firefighters. Most commonly involving abandoned structures or barns.

    7. Re:There's an easier way... by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 2, Informative

      If this were true then welding torches couldn't exist. The nozzle itself prevents the flame from traveling to the reservoir. Doesn't matter that it's plastic, what matters is that it has no oxygen flowing through it, and it also absorbs any heat before it can flash back. Steady streams of flammable liquids are relatively safe as long as you don't light yourself on fire.

    8. Re:There's an easier way... by fluffy99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can imagine the rest.

      No I can't. There's no oxygen in the bottle. I can see people being burned by spraying too much out and creating a fireball, but I'm having trouble envisioning a scenario in which the bottle explodes without already having been on fire long enough to melt through the plastic.

      Just because you can't envision how it happens doesn't mean it can't happen. It's not that the flame burns up the stream while your squeezing. Its when you stop squeezing the can and it sucks air and burning fluid up into the can. I have a co-worker whose kid did this and the can exploded and gave him 2nd degree burns plus a few cuts on his hands from the metal.

    9. Re:There's an easier way... by snspdaarf · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not the nozzle on a welding torch. Flashbacks into the mixing body of the torch are fairly common. Usually, there is a "pop", followed by a whistling, and the torch gets real hot real fast. However, if properly set up, there is a flashback preventer where the hoses attach to the torch that contains a brass screen. It's the screen that blocks the flame.

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  2. Make sure the screen is really secure... by Chocolate+Teapot · · Score: 4, Funny

    We're using Play-Do!

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  3. Not just water and fire by melikamp · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would watch those videos if they weren't wrapped into a shit tornado also known as Adobe Flash.

  4. You call that a flame tornado? by NetDrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a real flame tornado: Nate Smith, a gent I know personally, doin' his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qulN52bR9vk

    1. Re:You call that a flame tornado? by NetDrain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Get on /b/ and post a video of yourself punching a kitten.

  5. More power by bugs2squash · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have some friends help you flip the family car on its side. Securely fix the lower driven wheel to a stake driven into the ground next to it, or through its spokes to prevent it turning. Put a board to act as a turntable on the upper driven wheel and repeat this experiment with much more lighter fluid while someone revs the car in drive to make the plate spin at tremendous speed. This combines a reduction in reasonableness with more danger.

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    1. Re:More power by theReal-Hp_Sauce · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget to use a car with an oil pan/lubrication system that is designed to work at all angles.

      Otherwise you will be purchasing an engine rebuild from your local mechanic before you get bored of the fire tornado.

      -hps

  6. Not bad by JackSpratts · · Score: 3, Interesting
  7. That's not a tornado. THIS is a tornado! by PeterPiper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was a few decades ago, but in my teens I had occasion to spend a weekend at a fireman's weekend where a great many and varied workshops were being given on any number of esoteric aspects of firefighting, and some of the more mundane. I took some of the mundane workshops on forest fire fighting and such. But I made my weekend more of a relaxed affair so I would have time to wander and see what everyone else was up to.

    One group was busy creating fire tornadoes, and putting them out. But what I am referring to here, is nothing at all like what is featured in this video, or anything at all like Hollywood has ever dared venture.

    The group was training in how to assault oil fires and extinguish them with a water hose, which is no mean trick. To make matters more complicated for them, dead center of the oil fire was a husk of tanker truck tank. This sat in the middle of a concrete pool ~10 meters square (30' x 30'). The pool was filled with six inches of water. The instructors would dump a full oil drum of oil into the pool, creating an oil slick that covered the entire surface. The training crew ready, they would toss in a match.

    Now THAT is a fire tornado!

    The result was a literal tornado of fire, a veritable solid pillar of flame that would do Moses proud! Thirty feet in diameter, this vortex roared so loud you could barely hear the shouted commands of the fireman as they assaulted the monster. It ripped and twisted, the spiraling cylinder reaching easily a hundred feet or more, straight up. The flame was dense red, and so intense there was nothing opaque about it. Pure fire, at it most intense.

    I sat there for hours watching as they put it out, and lit up another, over and over.

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