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PA's Dept. of Homeland Security Shared Oil-Shale Protester Info With Companies

Western Pennsylvania's shale oil deposits have lately attracted interest not only from companies who have been extracting some of that oil, but from locals who object to what they perceive as sharp dealing by the companies involved, favorable treatment by the state government, and environmental degradation as a result of the extraction. Some of the most visible of those protesters, it turns out, have been tracked (including "Web traffic") by Pennsylvania's own Homeland Security department, and that information about them has been shared not only within the department, but with the oil companies themselves. Homeland Security director James Powers defended the information shared with the oil companies as part of a triweekly bulletin, saying "We want to continue providing this support to the Marcellus Shale Formation natural gas stakeholders while not feeding those groups fomenting dissent against those same companies."

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  1. Tell me again... by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hear all the time about how government protects people from corporations, and that's why we have to keep giving government more and more power. Holy shit, you mean they actually don't?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Tell me again... by schmidt349 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you create the legal fiction that an intangible conglomeration of people, united solely in their desire to exploit other people for monetary gain, counts as a human being under the law, weird shit starts happening.

      If you ask me it's time we brought back the death penalty for unruly corporations.

    2. Re:Tell me again... by conspirator57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and to think those of us who objected to PATRIOT, state fusion centers, and the rest of the expansion of the surveillance / police state were called wingnuts: after all, if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear, and so what's the harm in letting the government spy on you? oh wait. and to think that this is merely the tip of the police state iceberg. i foresee far darker days ahead on our society's current path.

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    3. Re:Tell me again... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They could...

      If the people actually cared about ethics in government and business...

      Instead everyone wants to get rich by any means necessary, including cheating and reality tv shows.

      What is the government? Its you... Its me... Its the people. Its our country. If we cant trust the government, we cant trust each other or our country.

      If we want a better government, elect better people and be a better person yourself. Be vigilant

    4. Re:Tell me again... by couchslug · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People only tend to appreciate the evils of government when the party they dislike is in power.

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    5. Re:Tell me again... by youngone · · Score: 5, Informative

      That would likely be true if The US were not just a one party state. Also have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Take special note of this bit: "Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy." That's pretty much exactly what is happening here.

    6. Re:Tell me again... by Xaositecte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Eh? Both Republics and Democrats have been pushing this shit. Who the hell is standing against it?

    7. Re:Tell me again... by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      That problem predates fascism by a couple of centuries. Adam Smith knew it as "mercantilisim".

      -jcr

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    8. Re:Tell me again... by Mitsoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      Disclaimer: I am an independent voter, I'm not for or against any party as a whole

      Well you didn't cite, so I had to use wikipedia to find the information.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

      The last SOFA before bush left said combat troops would be removed only from cities, not from the country.
      The SOFA also stated that non-combat troops would remain up to 2 years later.
      The entire agreement was renewable

      So you could say Bush set it in motion, however you could also say there's no guarantee we would have left.
      If people wanted to get out, Obama clearly pushed that as his platform

      Another fun fact (from wiki, 'cause I'm too lazy to follow their citation trail): Apparently in the SOFA agreement if the Iraqi interim government says GTFO, the US has 1 year to leave... They haven't requested the US leave yet

    9. Re:Tell me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No. Corporations can't die. You can try to kill them, but they just won't die. It is true that they are anti-social, greedy, selfish, single minded, manipulative, and basically fits every criteria for being classified 3213 by the American Psychological Association (Schizophrenia & Psychotic States). Its illegal for a board member of a company to do anything that diminishes the profits of shareholders. I've seen CXO's of pharmaceutical companies lie after being sworn in -To Members of the US Congress-.... Why? Because if they didn't lie, then they would be sued by shareholders, unemployed, and never get a job again. Somewhere, we gave away too much. This nameless, faceless entity (Hello Enron, Hello WorldCom, Hello Tyco, Hello Freddy Mac, Hello Fannie Mae) who doesn't even know what hungry is, is somehow worthy of the status 'too big to fail', yet millions of people who do know what hungry is, are less worthy and are completely subjected to failing. The pendulum has swung too far in one direction. Both political parties say 'Yes Mr. Corporation Sir, can I get you another?'. Its made worse by corrupt politicians who place personal gain over 'the good of the people'.

    10. Re:Tell me again... by Kirijini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the psychopaths responsible for the decisions, will find a way out, leaving their customary trail of destruction and misery after them: they will manipulate their way out of the to-be-killed corporation that they corrupted and abused, and into a leading position in another company.

      Imagine you're on the board of directors of company x. Suppose the CEO of company y, known to be ruthless and to dramatically increase profits, -

      but also known to have caused the "execution" of company y, i.e., caused the immediate liquidation of company y, meaning that all of company y's "going concern" value is lost and only the value of its liquid assets are recovered by shareholders,

      - wants to be the CEO of your company, company x. Would you want him to be your CEO?

      The imposition of an actual "death penalty" for criminal corporations would have an enormous impact on the way business is run in this country... because people would lose money as a result of criminal behavior by a company they have invested in.

    11. Re:Tell me again... by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would you want him to be your CEO?

      Sure, why not? He'll help me and my fellow directors loot the company and jump ship before it sinks. Then we'll help him get a new CEO position in whatever companies we've spread to, and repeat the process.

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  2. Someone needs to be kicked out of office by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is terribly interesting, the worst nightmare posible. The entrenched law inforcement and investigatory agency, tax payer funded being used to unabashedly help business over the general welfare. Someone should be going to jail here.

    1. Re:Someone needs to be kicked out of office by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone should be going to jail here.

      Calm down, these things take time. They have to identify all the dissidents before they can start rounding them up,

  3. Re:Pennsylvania is a fascist state? by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who knew...

    Not me. I thought it was a classic kleptocracy.

    I bet the trains run on time though.

    Most definitely not.

  4. "Formenting dissent"? by ugen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had to re-read this a few times. Are these guys taking their cues from North Korea newspapers? Whoever this guy is he should be 1) reminded of what the 1st amendment is about 2) fired.

    1. Re:"Formenting dissent"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      3. Sued by every person whose information was "shared."
      4. Prosecuted by the attorney general of the state.(and if he refuses to prosecute, by the US Attorney General.)

    2. Re:"Formenting dissent"? by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and aren't therefore connected to natural gas reservoirs

      Yet. Fracking isn't exactly brain surgery. I've worked in the industry (micro-seismic monitoring) and know how poorly understood the rock mechanics of this process is.

      Shale gas wells tap the gas from a tight shale that's completely separated vertically from the aquifer.

      I'm curious how you managed to get to a deep shale formation without drilling through the rock on top. Once you've put a well in the whole "vertical separation" claim doesn't look so good, and it's not as if well linings never leak, so please don't bother to bring that one up. We're talking about facts here. Well linings leak, rather more than 1% of the time.

      Nobody who has just spent $$$ on drilling a well wants the very gas they were after to piss itself away into an aquifer. You may doubt companies stick to regulations, but I'm sure you don't suspect their desire for not literally letting their profit evaporate.

      Ok, now you're just being a moron. I guess you also think that no company would ever engage in the kind of systematic laxity that dumped a few millions barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico three months ago. I know being a corporate shill is mentally and morally damaging, but seriously, just how stupid do you think the rest of us are?

      This bogus argument that "profit maximization in the long term will prevent the people who work for companies from ever engaging in risky behaviour that would limit long-term profits" is the corporate Stata Claus: it would be so NICE if it was true, but y'know what? It's false. Bringing wells/mines/whatever into production FAST is generally strongly incentived in the extraactive industries, and it is not at all uncommon for companies to lose long-term profits in the name of hitting short-term goals. Look up "high grading" if you're unfamiliar with this all-too-common corporate phenomenon.

      The people who work for companies, as witnessed by the idiots at BPHTO (BP/Halibuton/Trans-Ocean), are more than capable of making bad, short-sighted decisions that result in pretty much unlimited environmental damage, and the proof of that is they already have. That is simple empiricism, and for someone to trot out that tired old corporate "just so" story about how profits will protect us all is sad.

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  5. Re:why? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cos they are working for the companies. Not for you. Think directorship, member of the board. that kind of thing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

    hth.

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  6. Re:Problem? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If someone is shooting at my stuff, especially if it's the large, exploding kinda stuff, like a gas storage tank. I'd expect to be told about it. This doesn't sound so sinister.

    No, you expect the appropriate authorities to be told about it. You might rightfully expect some information on the general nature of the threat (if any) but you should not expect to be told about specific persons which seems to be what is happening here.

    That would be vigilantism.

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  7. Re:Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone were to ruin your water supply, especially with poisonous, exploding kinda stuff, by drilling at an adjacent property, wouldn't you also expect to be told about it? Keep in mind that the locals depend heavily on well water. This is a serious issue.

  8. Gasland by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't new. There are youtube videos of the water coming out of people's kitchen faucet catching on fire.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ4LQSonXA

    The process to remove natural gas and oil from shale is extremely complicated. Many companies won't even tell you what chemicals they use; they claim it's a "trade secret". They tell you that everything's okay, but you know for a fact that some of that cocktail they're pumping into the ground simply must be a carcinogen. And if they're drilling on your land, and you get your water from a well (and that's a lot of people in western PA), then you better believe that their fracking chemicals (hydraulic fracturing) are leeching into the local water table.

    Naturally, there are also plenty of loopholes in the regulations to make sure that Corporate America can continue to rape and plunder low-life commoners like you and me.

    For lots more information, go watch Gasland.

    http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/613/index.html

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    1. Re:Gasland by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oil naturally leaks into the oceans. That doesn't mean all oil leaking into the oceans is natural. Lightning naturally starts forest fires. That doesn't mean all forest fires are natural.

      Yes, it can happen naturally that a well might be contaminated with oil or natural gas. But, when it's the case that a well wasn't contaminated then suddenly becomes contaminated after recently drilling near or on your property, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about it being natural. Nor, really, would I find it "beyond a reasonable doubt" simply that it was contaminated from recent drilling.

      However, if it's the case that the recent drilling involved pumping a trade secret mixture of chemicals into the ground and you can find it in your well, that's a pretty strong link. So, the situation becomes finding out, in some fashion, that trade secret mixture to perform a simply comparison. I think that's all that people who feel they are effected are really demanding. Of course, if they find that fingerprint mixture, I'm sure they'll want to file lawsuits, have passed regulation changes, and/or see criminal charges to be pressed. But, all of that's pretty reasonable.

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    2. Re:Gasland by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fracking you did previously is quite different from the fracking gas companies are doing right now. The EPA has asked the drilling companies to disclose the chemicals. Of course, they don't want to. Of course, they also claim none of the chemicals are known to get into the water.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2010/0909/EPA-to-natural-gas-companies-Give-details-on-fracking-chemicals

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  9. Re:payback at later date by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Marcellus Shale Formation is a geological feature. It's not in any position to be buying politicians. The companies extracting gas from the shale - that's a different story.

  10. Re:payback at later date by moortak · · Score: 4, Funny

    After this I think there's a good number of people looking to find him a nice position in the Marcellus Shale Formation.

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  11. Maybe a re-naming is in order? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For many years now I've been calling the agency in question 'DFS', for 'Department of Fatherland Security'. I guess it was only a matter of time before they demonstrated their fascism in a public, step-on-your-own-dick manner. Now their pretense of righteousness has fallen away; DFS is obviously all about money and power, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the safety and security of America and her citizens. These clowns are simply organized criminals with a government mandate, and they run the biggest protection and extortion rackets in the whole country. Given a choice, I'd rather deal with the Mafia - they seem more honorable and more competent, and at least they don't pretend to hold the moral high ground.

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  12. Full Circle by Voline · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is apropos because the Pennsylvania State Police began in the early 19th century as the private Iron and Coal Police of the mine and mill owners. The owners tired of paying for their muscle all by themselves and recruited the taxpayers of Pennsylvania to chip in by getting the State of Pennsylvania to ... what's the opposite of "privatize"? Publicize? Anyway, the State adopted the bosses' private security apparatus as a whole, changed its name to the State Police, and started to pay their salaries to do what they had been doing anyway: fighting the unions and communities that were struggling to improve wages and working conditions in the coal mines and steel mills of Pennsylvania.

    This is all detailed in Kristian Williams's excellent history of the police in America Our Enemies in Blue .

  13. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    James F. Powers, Jr, Director of Homeland Security for Pennsylvania, works for the energy industry. Since especially in Pennsylvania, the energy industry wrote every regulation that deals with coal, natural gas or oil, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the state's energy regulations required the release of personal information of anyone protesting fossil fuel development.

    Further, here's the bio on Mr Powers:

    From 2001 through mid 2006, Director Powers served as a Special Operations consultant with KWG Consulting of Waterford, Virginia; an adjunct Faculty Instructor with the U.S. Army War College, Carlisle Barracks, PA; and a Senior Fellow with the Joint Special Operations University, United States Special Operations Command, Hurlburt Field, FL.

    Prior to serving as a consultant and Senior Fellow, Mr. Powers served over 30 years as a career U.S. Army Special Forces officer attaining the rank of Colonel. His command and staff assignments comprised tours in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Korea, and Washington, D.C. In his last assignment on Active Duty, Colonel Powers served as the Director of Special Operations Studies, U.S. Army War College, Carlisle Barracks, PA.

    The important part of this bio is the fact that from 2001 through 2006, Powers served as a "Special Operations" consultant with KWG Consulting of Waterford, Virginia. If you look up "KWG Consulting" you don't find much. A half-million dollar budget and "from 1-4 employees" and nothing more. However (and this part's important), KWG Consulting is affiliated with KWG Resources, a multi-national mining and energy conglomerate, that's heavily involved in coal, oil and gas pipelines and railroads that carry coal, oil and gas.

    So, it appears we have a hot shot special forces colonel who took big money to sell his services to foreign corporate interests, got himself appointed to Pennsylvania's DHS (what a coincidence!) and is now working as a hit man for the fossil fuel industry.

    The next time you want to argue with me when I say that corporations have become much more powerful than any national government in the world, remember this little story, all true. I believe the government of the United States, especially, has been replaced by corporate interests since at least 1980, and the stuff we see with elections and campaigns and political discourse is nothing but theater to keep us occupied while transnationals consolidate their position as the true government of the world. The only reason we still have something called a government here in the US is to provide an enforcement arm to the corporations and to keep some semblance of order to provide a conducive environment for corporate profits and growth.

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  14. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by ncgnu08 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is James Powers a Democrat? Seems more like he is a bureaucrat.

    Bureaucrat? Possibly. Democrat? No way... his bio makes me think Republican for sure. He is former military, who are usually Republican (I make no judgment here). He formally worked/possibly still does for a large oil/mining company which usually means Republican (I am making judgment here). And through that career, it seems safe to assume he has gotten rich, which means Republican (again, judgment). If one takes those three observations (not necessarily in that order) I think Republican is a sure bet. And before I get the "troll label" A)most military members vote Republican, as they used to believe in small government and a strong defense force; and B) which party is fighting to keep the tax cuts for the richest 2.5% of our population? I'm not going to turn this into a political discussion, I'm just explaining my theory and answering the question.

    Republican or Democrat, this policy stinks and really runs contradictory to "of, by, and for the people" and seems to me to be more fallout from the Citizens United verdict, which I still mourn.

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  15. Re:Problem? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can't do this. Natural gas eats RO membranes, which would be the kind of filter you'd need for the drilling fluids also present in the well water.

  16. Tom Ridge (R-PA) by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tom Ridge was the first Homeland Security chief, installed by Bush/Cheney. He's the guy who helped Bush/Cheney fake terror alerts timed to win elections. Ridge was Pennsylvania's governor until shortly before he headed Homeland Security, after decades at the top of Pennsylvania politics and police.

    The PA Homeland Security department is completely compliant with Tom Ridge's way of doing business.

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  17. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except the Democratic governor was "appalled", and halted the practice once he found out.

    Republicans are never appalled, except by people exercising our rights, and never halt a tyrannical practice, even when found out.

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  18. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1980? Where you been buddy, under a rock? You want to trace when the last vestiges of We, The People died a nasty death you can trace that back to the end of WWII and the formation of the eternal military industrial complex. Before that the USA, like its people, was largely isolationist and left other countries the hell alone. Since then the USA hasn't gone a whole 5 years without stirring up shit somewhere, usually giving a twofor by helping out both the MIC and big oil/gas/coal.

    I'd say the big difference is before around 1990 they actually pretended to give a fuck, now they don't. Just as others pointed out having the republicans stand up and refuse tax breaks for the middle class in a time of recession (I personally think it is the start of a depression myself) unless the top 2.5% (which have been making out like bandits for decades) get a tax break too? That takes a serious "fuck you peasants" attitude that they just didn't have the balls to show before. Now thanks to deregulation allowing all of the media outlets to be owned by a few megacorps they know they can say whatever they want and the media will spin away, since they own it.

    As for TFA, is anybody here really surprised the whole "fuck you peasant scum" attitude has filtered down to the states? After all the federal politicians are making out like bandits, why shouldn't the state boys join in on the fun? But mark my words, if it does turn into another depression the rich better have some serious firepower, as I don't see the peasants being all passive like they were back then. We got waaay too many poor, waaay too many guns, and a serious "fuck being nice" attitude building in this country. Just go to any of the numerous cities where homes and businesses lie empty and you can practically smell the powderkeg.

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  19. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by hab136 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think you're looking far back enough either. The civil war is when corporations went from time-limited, specific-purpose vehicles to "anything to make a buck" that last forever. Shortly thereafter in 1886 corporations gained personhood. It's been all downhill from there.

  20. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  21. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hypocracy? What hypocracy? Total Government control is a party platform.

    Hypocracy - government by people who are below average?

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  22. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by Decker-Mage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How did this score insightful? The last vestiges of "We, the People ..." existed just prior to the Civil War, during which the right of Habeus Corpus was revoked (suspended, {snort}), the right of secession was abrogated (even Northern States reserved the right of secession in voting to approve the Constitution), Congressmen were stripped of office even after the war was over, and literally thousands of war crimes were committed. I'm former career military and I know exactly what constitutes a war crime. If we are going to delve into the historical record, at least get it right.

    It should be no surprise that America saw the rise of the various Trusts during the post-Civil War period, to be followed by national corporations during and after WWI, and finally the rise of the multi-nationals during and after WWII. Each cycle only results in a further power-grab and aggrandizement. Should it be any surprise after 9/11 we saw even more examples. Patriot Act? Consolidation of the various police agencies into one (monolithic if they get their way) department? Monitoring of the so-called 'dangerous and violent groups'? I would have thought that TPTB would have learned their lesson from the '60's FBI but I would be wrong. Santayana said "[t]hose who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. " I say those who do not know the past are condemned to suffer worse.

    BTW, I am most definitely not a Southerner but the record of history speaks for itself.

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  23. Re:Those damn evil Republicans by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You make two errors. The first is that you think the wealthy are Republicans, check the voting stats for the 20 counties with the highest per captia income. All but one of them is a safe Democratic district. The second is that you didn't look very closely at how the head of the PA Department of Homeland Security gets his job. He is appointed by the Governor of PA. The current head was appointed in 2006. In 2006, the Governor of Pennsylvania was Ed Rendell, who is as partisan a Democrat as there is. Therefore, James Powers is clearly a Democrat.
    I, also, forgot to mention that the Republicans are not fighting to keep tax cuts for the "richest" 2.5% of our population. They are fighting to keep the tax cuts for all, including those who earn in the top 2.5% of income. There is a difference between those with the highest income and those who are the wealthiest. Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the country, but he has nowhere near the highest income. The other point on this issue is that most of the top 2.5% of income according to the IRS are S corporations, not actual individuals.

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