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HTC Launches HD Phones and Updated Sense UI

cgriffin21 writes "HTC on Wednesday confirmed two new Android smartphones, the HTC Desire HD and HTC Desire Z, that include what the vendor is calling an "enhanced version" of its HTC Sense user interface that includes everything from video editing software to a mapping tool. The HTC Sense's new features include the ability to record HD videos and edit images with various camera effects. HTC Locations, another new feature, provides on-demand mapping, and there's also an integrated e-reader and an e-book store powered by Kobo."

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  1. E-Readers in a phone by iONiUM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

    I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

    1. Re:E-Readers in a phone by jgagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly. Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

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    2. Re:E-Readers in a phone by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see this happening - at least not for power users (very casual users it's already happening to a degree). No phone can hold a candle to the storage space available on a home PC right now. You yourself already mentioned keyboards, mice, and monitors as things that you'd want to connect externally (because honestly, it's just more comfortable to use that way).

      With that in mind, if you're going to be connecting a mouse, a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and storage externally to the phone . . . then why the heck are you hobbling yourself to a mobile processor with no real benefit? There's little cost incentive here - PC processors are cheap as dirt. I can only really see a novelty factor as any motivation for this.

      Instead, I see a much bigger future for services like Dropbox and having them further integrate into our devices. I already use Dropbox on the 50GB plan to great extent. Most of my smaller files like my Documents and Photos folders are symlinked into my Dropbox folder. I can access and edit them from any of my devices without care.

      In short, I see software solutions that make your choice of device a non-issue as being far more likely than going to a single device for everything.

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    3. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would have to be at least 4 inches, though.

      That's what she said!

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    4. Re:E-Readers in a phone by NiteShaed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll take the opposing position :)

      I like reading in the dark. Maybe sitting out on my deck before I call it a day, maybe lying in bed before I go to sleep, but I just don't want to turn on a separate light, therefore, a backlit screen is an absolute must-have. I also tend to read whenever I have a spare second, making my phone the ideal gizmo since it's always with me. Up until now, my phone just was never up to the task (battery life/small screen), so I went through a variety of devices to deliver my precious ebooks (Casio Casiopia, Compaq iPaq, HP iPaq, iPod). Now I have an HTC Evo, which is the biggest screen I've had for an ereader, and I love it.

      First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with enough already)

      I'm lucky when it comes to the eyestrain thing, it just doesn't seem to bother me much. Wouldn't a bedside lamp, or booklight or whatever you're using cause the same problems with circadian rhythms? If not, what makes it different? (Again, that's not something I've ever really thought of, I'm lucky enough to sleep like a log whenever I close my eyes).

      Anyway, I'm certainly not arguing about your choice, different solutions for different people. I imagine if I had the same requirements as you, I'd probably really like the Kindle or Nook.

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    5. Re:E-Readers in a phone by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      White light coming off a screen is a cooler light, with more of the blues that fire off your body's "it's daytime" responses. An incandescent bulb (and even a 'warm light' CFL) have more reds and yellows which have less effect on your body. For a lot (probably the vast majority) of people it probably doesn't matter much but I have trouble falling asleep before 3AM as it is, even being careful about all the things that people who have sleep issues should be careful about. I imagine that it would be possible to create a utility to make your phone's screen warmer at night and cooler during the day, I have similar software installed on my computers at home, but I haven't seen anything for phones that does so.

    6. Re:E-Readers in a phone by knarf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've read thousands and thousands of pages on very normal LCD screens. I started using a Nokia N-Gage which served me very well until its screen met an untimely end. It was replaced by a HTC Prophet which I'm using to the current day. Both phones fit in my hand, making it possible to read anywhere and anytime. At night I use grey characters on a black background - backlight does have its advantages here - while during the day this scheme is reversed. As both phones have transflective screens it is possible to use them in full daylight, you just have to find the right angle to read the screen.

      LCD might not be as *cool* as electronic paper but to dismiss it as unusable for electronic readers is silly. It works for me after all...

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    7. Re:E-Readers in a phone by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

      They prefer to be called "Polychromatic Microcapsule Displays" you insensitive clod.

    8. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Osty · · Score: 2, Informative

      The comfort issues with LCD screens in general aren't a big deal with phone-sized screens IME, while they are quite noticeable with netbook-size screens, and even more problematic with larger screens. I suspect that the problem is directly related to how much of your visual field is occupied by the bright background, which, even accounting for typical reading distance with each device, is much smaller with a phone than with a netbook, which is smaller than with a larger laptop or big desktop monitor.

      Having read dozens of novels on my iPhone, I can tell you that the issue is not the size of the screen but the pixel density. A pre-4 iPhone with a 320x480 3.5" display has a pixel density (or pixels per inch -- ppi) of around 164. Compare that to a 6" Kindle at 600x800 == 167ppi vs. a 10.1" netbook at 1024x600 = 117ppi, or even worse a 15.4" laptop at the now-industry standard 1366x768 == 102ppi (for what it's worth, my 15.4" laptop at 1920x1080 has 143ppi and is only slightly less comfortable to read on than my iPhone). This is why e-ink readers and smartphones are easier to use as ebook readers than a laptop. Higher pixel density directly translates to more comfortable reading.

      Also keep in mind that the pre-4 iPhone still has a relatively low ppi. The iPhone 4, with the same 3.5" screen size but 640x960 resolution == 330ppi, and a quality android phone like the HTC Incredible has a 3.8" screen at 480x800 resolution == 246ppi. This is also where Apple went wrong with the iPad. At 9.7" and 768x1024, its pixel density is only 132ppi, bordering on the edge of unreadable. To get an equivalent 330PPI to iPhone 4 at 9.7", the iPad would have to have a resolution of 1920x2560. That's not going to be a cheap LCD panel.

      If you want a larger device for reading, stick with a Kindle or other e-ink reader. However for on-the-go reading, it's really hard to beat a smartphone.

  2. Not available in US until next year? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the article, both versions will be available in Europe and Asia in October. Only the "Z" version will hit the US this year though. Gotta say that's disappointing. My next upgrade becomes available December 15th, and the "Desire HD" looks to best every other Android handset out right now. I really, really hope that some version of that phone hits Verizon before or really soon after that date.

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  3. Battery life? by mu51c10rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So I see HTC and all the vendors are pushing hidef video and more features. However, I see the battery life is suffering on these phones. At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life? Unless your phone does nothing but make a few calls and the occasional email sync, it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

    1. Re:Battery life? by drougie · · Score: 5, Interesting
    2. Re:Battery life? by chemicaldave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life?

      Phone manufacturers have to weight the options between releasing better features that tax the battery or investing heavily in battery technology that very well may benefit competitors. Improvements to battery life based on engineering behind the battery itself need to come from the industry as a whole and not one manufacturer.

    3. Re:Battery life? by Threni · · Score: 2, Informative

      > it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

      It's easy - just use it as a phone. On stanby these things go for days. Because, you know, on standby all the flash, hi-def etc etc isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, because it's not being used.

    4. Re:Battery life? by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

      I get 3-4 days of medium/heavy use out of my Moto Droid as of the Froyo update, before that 4 days would have really been pushing it. It depends a lot on where you are and what kind of reception you are getting. I get my best battery life over the weekends when I spend a lot of time at home, slightly less during the week when I'm at work where the coverage inside is spotty, and abysmal (less than 1 day) if I'm somewhere with little to no coverage.

    5. Re:Battery life? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you often go that long without charging, or are you saying you can go that long without charging? If you do, who don't you charge it at night?

      (I'm not asking to set up an argument. I was just curious if there was a reason like "it's better for the battery" or something.)

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  4. HTC Sense vs Stock Android by rufus+t+firefly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have found that stock Android is pretty nice. HTC Sense is a good *looking* UI, but it suffers in some places. The stock mail client for stock 2.1 is much nicer than the sense variant, for example, and there are a number of other places where it looks like HTC tried to "reinvent the wheel" (with shiny chrome) for what appears to be little or no reason. Perhaps they're trying a little too hard to offer a differentiator on the software side...

    I've been much happier with the stock android versions of 2.1 and 2.2 (thanks to CyanogenMod) on my HTC CDMA Hero, since switching from the stock firmware. (Doesn't exactly help that HTC orphaned OS support for that model before 2.2...)

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  5. Re:HTC and MS by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft sued HTC over the use of MS patents in HTC's mobile phones that were running Android, much the same way that Apple has an ongoing suit against HTC. HTC decided to license the patents from Microsoft so it's likely that Microsoft gets paid for every Android phone that HTC sells. Here is the press release. It's reminiscent of how PC vendors paid Microsoft for every box sold, regardless of whether or not it had Windows installed. Different arrangements, but similar end results.

    Some have speculated that depending on the agreements, it could be just as expensive for HTC to ship a phone with Android as it would be for them to ship one with Windows Phone 7. If Android doesn't have a price advantage it may put the two operating systems on more even ground, at least from HTC's perspective.

  6. I'm officially not a power user by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the past 6 years or so, I would buy the latest greatest phone after my contract ran out. I was close to getting a Droid, then it occurred to me "do I really give a frak about HDMI ports and video on my phone?" I settled with an LG Ally I got for free and got to keep that extra $200 with ZERO regrets. I guess I'll have to stop posting here and watching more Antique's Roadshow now?

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  7. Re:HTC and MS by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Out of court settlements don't create precedent. I'm no lawyer, but I'm certain of that. It's the functional equivalent of giving the bully your lunch money instead of fighting with him.

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  8. Dual mode screens by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    If someone can do an LCD with high contrast e-paper style screen and normal LCD functionality then they will solve that problem. Perhaps have the LCD flip out of the way to expose the e-paper screen underneath?

    As for the Desire HD, 4.3" screen makes the device too big for me, I did some estimates on paper of its size. Any bigger than 4.3" and you'll have a phone approaching the footprint of a 3.5" hard disk.

  9. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because Apple in investing in the platform, HTC is making a phone. It's not a better or worse model per se, but Apple is trying to build an ecosystem: get a Mac, and iPhone, an Apple TV, maybe an iPod Shuffle for when the phone is more than you need... replace them all every 3-4 years, and we'll provide pretty good support and updates for around that time frame. Brand loyalty keeps you buying into the ecosystem. HTC is trying to sell you a phone. Right now. Now another one. Now another one. They always want to have the biggest and best numbers they can, because they know that if they don't you'll buy a Motorola instead.

    It's two different business models.

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  10. pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where are Android phones that work with the pay-as-you-go, or at least low-cost plans? Virgin Mobile has LG smartphones with $25/month plans, but if you want Android, nobody offers anything at less than $60/month.

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  11. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Both models have pluses and minuses. If you want the "best" phone on the market (Defined by tech specs- CPU, camera, memory, etc) you almost certainly want an Android phone. The churn that the competing manufacturers create by their constant upgrade cycles means that Moto, or HTC, or Nokia (do they make Android?) probably currently has the most powerful thing available this week. On the other hand the Apple hardware updates often enough to stay reasonably current, if not cutting edge. So advantage Android, but not a huge advantage.

    The Android OS is certainly more open, at least in theory. In practice it seems like the manufacturers and providers often lock shit down pretty hard. So, again, advantage Android, but how much of an advantage probably depends entirely on what model phone you have and who's network you're using it on.

    The iPhone's advantages tend to harder to measure. The UI is well done, for sure. The design is very consistent. The "ecosystem" concept has a lot of advantages. I was really pleased when I upgraded my 1st gen iPhone to a 3GS a while back. The backup and restore function was such that I literally felt like I was using the same phone, but better. Like upgrading the CPU, RAM, and VC on a computer and keeping the OS as it is. Everything was faster and shinier (and GPSier), but otherwise identical. And of course my 3GS runs iOS 4 pretty well and that's like a whole new upgrade.

    Meh, to each their own.

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