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MPAA Asks If ACTA Can Be Used To Block Wikileaks

An anonymous reader writes "With the entertainment industry already getting laws to block certain sites, it appears they're interested in expanding that even further. The latest is that at a meeting with ACTA negotiators in Mexico, an MPAA representative apparently asked if ACTA rules could be used to force ISPs to block 'dangerous sites' like Wikileaks. It makes you wonder why the MPAA wants to censor Wikileaks (and why it wants to use ACTA to do so). But, the guess is that if it can use Wikileaks as a proxy for including rules to block websites, how long will it be until other 'dangerous' sites, such as Torrent search engines, are included." Note: TechDirt typically has insightful commentary, but make of the original (Spanish) twiiter message what you will.

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  1. Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did they ask if it could be blocked because they wanted to, or because they think it could mean backslash for using ACTA as a censor tool instead of enforcing copyrights?

    I'd imagine the MPAA and government have similar interests in forcing ISPs to block certain websites. The MPAA is probably making a calculated move to suggest they would be the watchdog going after Wikileaks if such a censorship method could also be used to protect their copyrights.

    Frankly, it looks like they're trying to show to the government that they have aligned interests. As the TechDirt article notes, the MPAA could merge The Pirate Bay with Wikileaks in the eyes of the government and then from there it's guilt by association. Personally I think this is the MPAA fishing for how extensive they can make ACTA by appealing to the United States government's emotions. Think back to the DMCA and Patriot Acts and how following their passage into law we all sat around scratching our heads wondering WTF was going on with some of the prosecution that was falling under those acts. Wouldn't be surprised if the MPAA ran a campaign saying that passing ACTA into law worldwide will stop terrorists, child porn, small arms traders, drugs, wildfires, Satan, etc.

    I'm guessing the MPAA would love to prosecute cases of copyright infringement under the same law (and maybe even penalties) as cases of threats to national security.

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    1. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by funkatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing the MPAA would love to prosecute cases of copyright infringement under the same law (and maybe even penalties) as cases of threats to national security.

      Why shouldn't copyright infringement and national security come under the same law? They're both tools for stopping the spread of information built around assumptions that have long ceased to be even half true.

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    2. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have always had this idea as a car mechanic to create how to videos for popular model vehicles, instead of just vague books, with high-def video cameras and step by step instructions for each task... such as changing out an A/C Compressor, Replacing a bad power steering pump, fixing broken this that and the other thing.... and selling them for a REASONABLE price all across the nation. This would require a decent amount time and money in equipment, time to film, edit produce etc...

      Then I realized that some dickhead would probably just take the videos, put them up on Piratebay and I would be left poor and broke after spending a crapload of time and money on this project so I said fuck it.

      Hollywood might overcharge and not provide a distribution model that the people agree with, but there are a lot of other legit businesses with honest hard working people that are not getting their honest pay for the work they did. The spread of "information" could be something YOU spent years working on, then you'd be pretty bitter too.

    3. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by funkatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then I realized that some dickhead would probably just take the videos, put them up on Piratebay and I would be left poor and broke after spending a crapload of time and money on this project so I said fuck it.

      I agree completely. This is a reasonably accurate evaluation of the market conditions for video content and a sound business decision based on that evaluation. What I don't understand is why the MPAA members don't seem to do this.

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    4. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Make the videos anyway. If you market it to the right crowd, and it's actually worth it, it will sell.

      I don't imagine car mechanics and car enthusiasts are like you average college student, downloading everything in sight. Chances are your target audience would be more than willing to pay a fair price. People who work on cars for a living should be used to the idea of buying materials/manuals, and similarly for people who have the time/money to routinely work on their own cars.

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    5. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The origins of the rating system were a desperate (yet successful) attempt to prevent the federal government from instituting its own rating system. The Hays Code dealt with the spread of local laws, and would eventually be replaced by Jack Valenti's letter-based rating system that provided film-makers with much more freedom in how to craft and tell the story.

      Kind of amusing, I think, that an organization was once so desperate to keep government out of its business and now runs crying to the government to help it preserve the same.

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    6. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by black6host · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have always had this idea as a car mechanic to create how to videos for popular model vehicles, instead of just vague books, with high-def video cameras and step by step instructions for each task... such as changing out an A/C Compressor, Replacing a bad power steering pump, fixing broken this that and the other thing.... and selling them for a REASONABLE price all across the nation. This would require a decent amount time and money in equipment, time to film, edit produce etc...

      Then I realized that some dickhead would probably just take the videos, put them up on Piratebay and I would be left poor and broke after spending a crapload of time and money on this project so I said fuck it.

      You know, I appreciate that you might not want to do that for free. Back in the day, when I ran a BBS, I incurred a lot of hard costs to do so and I did not charge for access, while many of my contemporaies did. I had a P.O. box for registration, which ensured that I at least had a valid address, and many people sent me unsolicited money. I sent it back. My point is, you are under no obligation to undertake a risk that, to you, would be a loss. To many people, giving is enjoyable. At least it was for me.....

    7. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, no offense, but you're completely wrong. Sure a few will probably go PTB, but you know what? Put those videos in a nice box with color pullouts I can sit beside my truck, maybe an audio CD so you can walk me through it, and me and a shitload of other people WILL buy. It is all about giving folks an easy, cheap, and valuable exchange for their dollar. Just look at GoG, I have a whole drive filled with GoG games, any of which would have been trivial for me to go PTB with, so why didn't I? Because they made it easy, DRM free, and most importantly to me they unlike PTB gave me 100% x64 support, which is valuable to me.

      So make your videos, put in the above that I outlined, and make them easily affordable. I'd go for the under $20 impulse buy market. I'm willing to bet my last buck you'll make loads of cash, oh and a bit of advice: Be sure to make a couple targeting new drivers, with tips on basic maintenance and then advertise around the High Schools and colleges. You'd be surprised at how many single parent kids don't have anyone to ask even the basic questions to. Hell I'm no mechanic and I get swamped when out at the college by my oldest boy's friends asking basic questions like oil pressure and differences in tires. make some videos targeting that market and make a ton dude.

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    8. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anonymous troll much. Mechanics video, somebody will do it for free http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=change+oil+filter&aq=f, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=change+transmission+fluid&aq=0, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+change+differential&aq=7m, etc etc etc.

      Don't you people know when you are being trolled by a marketdroid dickhead.

      PS it ain't stealing and it never will be, it is copying, the mechanics knowledge wasn't stolen, it wasn't vacuumed from their head, they are not wandering around the landscape sprouting nonsense like some zombie marketdroid.

      Of course the MPAA and the pigoploists given the opportunity will not just demand copyright protection of the video of changing the oil filter but also the idea of creating a video about changing an oil filter and even a licence fee from anyone who ever changes an oil filter because they might have seen the video or spoken to someone who has seen the video.

      The problem is the continual extension of copyright, its duration, scope, power, criminal penalties, invasion of privacy and control of the public. It is even worse, copyright has led to the direct corruption of the whole political process, as a result of it largely being run by psychopaths with narcissists as their puppet front people.

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    9. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a difference between not wanting to pay for tables, and not wanting tables. I would imagine that, were GP to do what he says, a lot of people would find it quite useful. But quite a few of those people would figure that they don't really need to pay for it, under the usual excuse of "well, I wouldn't buy it otherwise, anyway". Which is bullshit, because the mere availability of the free option already affects one's reasoning for the "buy / don't buy decision", even if subconsciously.

    10. Re:Erroneously Aggregating Enemies by The_Noid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or alternatively, make one or two video's, distribute those, and state you'll make more if you get enough pre-orders. You can then even have users vote on which ones they want first.

  2. Web censorship at its best by Kitkoan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a dangerous path to follow because the MPAA would have strong backers for something like this, like the US government. Torrent search engines would be small potatoes, how about people/websites that show what your doing is wrong? Again, like WikiLeaks, but others like the EFF? Don't like that they show your dirty little secrets? Just use the ACTA on them and claim something like "they were using illegal software".

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    1. Re:Web censorship at its best by Kitkoan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you for a moment believe that isn't really the US government asking, using MAFIAA as a mouthpiece, you live in a happier world ...

      The US government isn't using the MPAA as a mouth piece, the MPAA wants to use/abuse this power and will turn around to ask other governments around the world, US included, to help them get what they want.

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    2. Re:Web censorship at its best by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm honestly surprised that none of the delegates/lobbyists has claimed copyright over the leaked ACTA drafts

      Which is the biggest load of bullshit yet. The idea of copyright is to give artists a protected environment in which to profit, and then ultimately, it RETURNS to the public domain .

      If it is produced by the government, then it was always the public domain to begin with. Slimy situations like transit authorities trying to claim they "own" the schedules is beyond ridicule and proceeds to outright abuse and tyranny.

      All of the laws that are being negotiated, international treaties, etc. BELONG TO THE PEOPLE. Copyrighted my ass.

      I would sooner by into national security, but even in those cases the information should eventually be declassified. ACTA under national security? Nothing could have been more ludicrous and I am sincerely impressed that even politicians could have said that with a straight face.

  3. Ever notice... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever notice how governments actively seek to forbid citizens from actually -using- their rights? Sure, lets give them freedom of speech. What!? People are critical of the government?! How dare they not use our freedoms to only spread their love of big brother! Lets pass the Alien and Sedition Acts/McCarthyism/ACTA/etc. to stop them from using their freedom! After all, who in a free country would speak out against their government, its like people think the constitution is to protect people who dissent against the majority opinion or something!

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    1. Re:Ever notice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shhh. Most people think freedom of speech is there to protect what they agree with.

    2. Re:Ever notice... by siddesu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is worse, they've come up with a very neat way to do it - it is called "international agreements".

      The ideas that would be opposed at home get floated at the IFPI, WPO, WTO, etc. Then a number of small, spineless or otherwise dependent countries are made to support those. Then the idea is re-branded as "the international consensus". Then it is heavily marketed and accepted by the European Commission and the US whatever representative, who work hard to sell it to the respective national legislatures.

      Then it becomes a binding treaty, and is fast tracked at the various national legislatures, usually sweetened with some pork. Job done, consumer raped again.

      International cooperation at its best.

    3. Re:Ever notice... by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever notice how governments actively seek to forbid citizens from actually -using- their rights?

      In spite of the name, "rights" is a game of subtraction, not addition. A person not under the domain of any government or any other higher power has no restrictions on their actions at all. Government and law add new restrictions (do not kill, do not steal).

      The Bill of Rights and all related articles are there as a desperate attempt to stop this from getting out of hand, explicitly for those times when it seems like going down that slippery slope seems appropriate. It was never adding anything, because it was never capable of adding anything. People knew it was necessary to include it because they knew times like these would happen.

      It's up to us as a country to make sure we don't disappoint the wonderfully insightful gentlemen who included those provisions as part of the nation's Constitution by allowing them to fade on our watch.

    4. Re:Ever notice... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's up to us as a country to make sure we don't disappoint the wonderfully insightful gentlemen who included those provisions as part of the nation's Constitution by allowing them to fade on our watch.

      Actually many of the founders were against the Bill of Rights on the grounds that they saw that it could be used by some future generation to try to deny rights to the people because they weren't explicitly stated in the Bill of Rights. This perversion that they foresaw has been shown to be true in such examples as how right-wingers try to claim there is no right to privacy since it isn't explicitly enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

  4. hey MPAA by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Funny

    you better shutup and mind ur own damn bidness or 4chan and Anonymous will come after you again

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  5. I can think of two reasons... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can think of at least two reasons:

    1) Wikileaks has leaked details of draft ACTA proposals, and these have somewhat politically embarassing to the politicians who are doing MAFIAA's work.

    2) MAFIAA hates it when people singing songs with lyrics like "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" and they really hate that funky sequel that begins with "6692d179032205".

    1. Re:I can think of two reasons... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can think of at least two reasons:

      1) Wikileaks has leaked details of draft ACTA proposals, and these have somewhat politically embarassing to the politicians who are doing MAFIAA's work.

      2) MAFIAA hates it when people singing songs with lyrics like "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" and they really hate that funky sequel that begins with "6692d179032205".

      3) The US government has figured out that people are so accustomed to the MPAA buying laws, they put them up to it so it could slip under the radar.

      The MPAA gets the stuff they wanted in ACTA. The government gets carte blanche.

      While I don't really believe that the US government is behind this, they do actually gain more from this than the MPAA does. I think more plausibly, the MPAA is trying to use this as a wedge so they can shut down anything which infringes on information they would like to retain control of or how to circumvent copyright -- such information gets effectively equated with sedition or somesuch.

      Either way, the outcome of ACTA allowing for the shutting down of web sites "because we want to" basically means that the world is now fucked, and all signatories to ACTA are enforcement arms for multi-national companies ... with the US wielding a stick over everybody else.

      This awful treaty is going to propel us into a future ran even more by corporations, and they keep adding more shit to it every time there's a leak.

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    2. Re:I can think of two reasons... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many left wingers would have made a deal about "BUSH/CHENEY" if this was 4 years ago? How many right wingers are going to claim this is a Obama thing?

      Libertarians realize that it doesn't really matter (D or R), government is too powerful now, and need to be reigned in. It doesn't matter "who" is in power, they abuse it. And it doesn't matter what the reason is (save the children,environment,rights,minority,tatas), there is always a nefarious outcome.

      Liberty is not just for select few, it is for all. Either it applies to all equally or it is the steps to tyranny. Guess which way we're headed now? AND it doesn't matter who is in power, we keep moving that direction.

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    3. Re:I can think of two reasons... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Libertarians realize that it doesn't really matter (D or R), government is too powerful now, and need to be reigned in. It doesn't matter "who" is in power, they abuse it.

      Libertarians believe that by completely dismantling government we will live in this wonderful utopia without regulation and we can all be happy capitalists and thrive in harmony, and be free to shoot anyone who threatened that harmony.

      While I agree that government needs to be reigned in, I don't see removing a lot of the good things that governments accomplish as the right thing.

      Weakening the 1st Amendment, and strengthening the ability of government (and corporations) to censor does move us towards tyranny, that much is true. I definitely agree with you. However, I disagree that:

      it doesn't matter what the reason is (save the children,environment,rights,minority,tatas), there is always a nefarious outcome.

      Yes, government does abuse their power, but saying we should stop trying to accomplish the goals of education and an overall. "Libertarians" would dismantle a lot of these things on the basis that it's onerous to individual freedoms and that they should be able to opt out of helping to pay for society. Boo hoo. Without these things, we'd all be friggin' eating one another in 6 months.

      What needs to happen is stronger controls on how government does its job -- and I sure as hell don't claim to have an answer to this. However, human nature and history has shown time and time again that people try to consolidate power, and aren't above retroactively deciding they want to change how things work and want to undo change. Heck, that's exactly what the Taliban did.

      Libertarianism has some interesting ideas, but it wouldn't solve any of these problems any better than modern economics does at really understanding how the economy works -- it's based on perfect models in ideal circumstances, and assumes that everyone else will all magically play by the same rules. It's grossly incomplete, and assumes way too much; and neither wrap things up quite so neatly as people believe.

      And, in closing ... we're all screwed, now get off my damned lawn. *grumble* *grumble* Damned kids. :-P
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  6. Because the US Gov't is interested in WikiLeaks by kabloom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The MPAA (probably) isn't asking about WikiLeaks for its own interest -- it's asking because it wants the US government on board, and the US government is far more concerned about WikiLeaks than movie pirates.

    This is a lesson to all you slashdotters about how to lobby - convince people that you have the solution to their problem. (If it solves your problem, great!)

    1. Re:Because the US Gov't is interested in WikiLeaks by ortholattice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The MPAA (probably) isn't asking about WikiLeaks for its own interest ...

      Or, maybe they're thinking ahead to the day when an insider leaks some "creative accounting" ledgers. :)

  7. MPAA wants to write its laws in secrecy by Eternal+Vigilance · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This isn't so much a move against Wikileaks as a sharing site like TPB, but instead a move against anyone who might expose the collusion between **AA and their government lackeys.

    That Wikileaks might reveal things like ACTA ahead of time, allowing users to mobilize support against them, makes Wikileaks very "dangerous" to the **AA's goal of complete control.

    1. Re:MPAA wants to write its laws in secrecy by thestudio_bob · · Score: 5, Informative

      What are you talking about, the **AA is GOVERNMENT now. Let me refresh you memory:

      • Gershengorn, a partner with RIAA-firm Jenner & Block, represented the labels against Grokster (.pdf) and will be in charge of the DOJ Federal Programs Branch. That’s the unit that just told a federal judge the Obama administration supports monetary damages as high as $150,000 per purloined music track on a peer-to-peer file sharing program.
      • Donald Verrilli, associate deputy attorney general — the No. 3 in the DOJ, who unsuccessfully urged a federal judge to uphold the $222,000 file sharing verdict against Jammie Thomas.
      • Tom Perrilli, as Verrilli’s former boss, the Justice Department’s No. 2 argued in 2002 that internet service providers should release customer information to the RIAA even without a court subpoena.
      • Brian Hauck, counsel to associate attorney general, worked on the Grokster case on behalf of the record labels.
      • Ginger Anders, assistant to the solicitor general, litigated on the Cablevision case.

      Source Obama Taps 5th RIAA Lawyer to Justice Dept

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    2. Re:MPAA wants to write its laws in secrecy by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every government wants to write their laws in secrecy, hence why international "treaties" have gotten so popular. Every government's dream is to control every aspect of their citizens' lives without the citizens realizing it. Sure, the government extols the "right to free speech" in every high school classroom but dreams of a world without it. The government loves movements like the tea party that while saying they want to reduce the government's power but give the government power over subjective things like morality and things that are "un-American", any government would take a "loss" of some tax dollars to be able to control something like that (and with fiat currencies, they can just print more worthless notes).

      Every government wants to make politics so "boring" that the masses ignore it. Every government wants to make a country with rights that are never exercised.

      The ideal state for a government is where the people are cattle, a cow doesn't feel imprisoned, after all he can walk around this whole big pasture, and if he really wanted to he could jump the fence, but why jump when there is all this free food...

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  8. What irks me the most... by rotide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing that irks me the most, isn't the fact that the government wants a more powerful trade agreement. It isn't the fact that this trade agreement would be adopted by most every other first world country. It also isn't the fact that the U.S. government wants to keep it classified due to "national security" reasons. No, it's because our government keeps it classified from its citizens _and_ invites the MPAA in on the deal, or did the MPAA invite them? I don't even know anymore.

  9. How about... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about just requiring that any ISP that takes public funds or uses public land must not engage in any sort of filtering or traffic redirection?

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  10. Re:Did they by icebraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok. Now Party A is your doctor/hospital worker, Party B is a data mining company, and the information is your personal health files.
    By your definition, it's censorship too, right? It's all just 1s and 0s?

    People have rights over certain data, and protecting them isn't censorship. If authors should have rights over their creations - even at the expense of others' rights - is another matter.

  11. censorship and publishing control 450 years ago by openright · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 1557 the British Crown chartered the Stationers' Company and gave the company a publishing monopoly in order to stem the flow of seditious and heretical books.

    This publishing monopoly lasted for more than 150 years.

    After revolution, publishing monopolies were first abolished then limited to 14 years with the Statute of Anne.
    The founding USA adopted the 14 year rule.

    However, due to pressure from large companies in the US, the monopoly has been continually extended, and is now 95-120 years.

    The media associations relationship to the Internet is very similar to the Stationers relationship to the printing press.

    1. Re:censorship and publishing control 450 years ago by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the revolution already came and is called the Internet. I've started to not care about ACTA and how it'll mandate capital punishment for file sharers. The bird has flown, the horse has left the barn, the cat is out of the bag, time can not be turned back. They can just make copyright infinity - 1 day already and I still won't care. I still won't think it's wrong. So they can shut down Wikileaks, will it really matter? I mean seriously, in how many kazillion copies is the HDCP master key now? We could do the same with anything wikileaks wanted to publish, there's no way they can win over a huge number of people spreading it over a huge number of channels. They can try legislating away reality and reality will laugh at them.

      Their copyright == theft campaign is a huge failure. Despite the Pirate Party not making a good election, the percentage of Swedes who think so is down to 30%, down from 38% last year. They've lost 8% of the public opinion in one year. There's not been a single round of mass copyright lawsuits, nobody wants to take another shot at taking down The Pirate Bay, they get services like free Voddler that is very close to a giveaway. They're not even in fight mode anymore, they're in damage control mode so it doesn't spark the copyright revolution and they can keep making money in the rest of the world. It's really too bad that the Swedes don't have a public referendum system like in Switzerland, or it would already have happened.

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  12. ACTA promotes child pornography; here's how: by mykos · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to MPAA/RIAA logic, downloading stuff for free rather than paying for it destroys that industry. So ACTA stops or restricts free downloading, child pornography will become a rampant industry, and nobody wants that.

    If we stop ACTA, we stop child pornography. It's as simple as that.

  13. Hand in hand by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Call me a foil hat wearing lunatic but I say at this point we've seen more than enough evidence of close cooperation between the American government and America's large industries to call it a budding facism.

    Consider: Pluralism has been steadily weakening as congress and the presidents sign law after law giving and allowing the president to take unprecedented power. The courts already lack any real ability to stop this trend.

    New laws have made everyone a criminal. Those against whom the government chooses to enforce these laws are being imprisoned and harassed. It's no longer possible to be a law abiding citizen in America -- only on the ruling powers' good side or not. Police all over the US have an "us against them" mindset that has led to countless abuses to the extent that a police uniform is no longer a comforting site even for those who obey the law. It's now illegal in several states to even record these abuses and Americans everywhere are shutting up and keeping their heads down.

    If these dangerous trends are not stopped the US will be a fascist police state very soon.

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  14. Wrong fraudster fingered by zooblethorpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I mostly agree with you, I think you lay the blame at the wrong feet.

    While I understand the point of things like the UN (to prevent something like WWII from happening again) it, along with all the other international organizations have defrauded the American people of their constitutionally guaranteed rights.

    The UN itself has done no such thing. The ones defrauding the US public of their constitutionally guaranteed rights are the elected representatives in the US government, and by extension their financial masters (a.k.a. "donors"), using the UN and other international groups as cover to get what they want. Though given the state of voting in the US (black-box hackable e-voting machines, gerrymandering, overly large constituencies, etc. etc.), the term "elected" might not hold much meaning here.

    Cheers,

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  15. Don't Worry Guys! by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wanting to stop free speech/freedom of information and suing children/computer illiterates/grandparents without internet/the dead for copying movies. All from one group. It is like they have the copyright on being evil dickheads. I mean, I thought they were greedy pricks before. But with this bit of news it pushes them into 'fucking evil' territory.

    But here is the possible up side. The MPAA have been around since 1922. And by my calculations that means that their copyright on evil will run out by around 2200. At which point mad rioters can burn down all the CEO's homes slaughter them like pigs and give them as a blood offering to Satan.

    So at least there is something to look forward to.

  16. Re:Did they by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ultimately the GPL is designed to protect the rights of end users. The freedom to modify programs they use, and the freedom to use them as they wish.

    You're correct that there are more "free" licenses out there, but they're only more "free" if you're the developer. With a BSD or other similar license, there is no guarantee that the program will continue to give the end users any freedoms that the repackager had.

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  17. Re:Did they by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OS-X may be based on BSD code, it's now closed-source and highly protected. You may not redistribute it, even though a lot of it is based on BSD coded. Those parts may be redistributable, however that will not result in a working system. And forget about having a look at the source code.

    So a lot of freedom has been lost: the freedom to look at the source, the freedom to modify the software, the freedom to distribute it.

    Otoh look at Android: this system is based on the GPLed Linux kernel. Therefore the Android kernel is still GPLed which means you can get the source code for the Android kernel, and that you can redistribute it. No freedom has been lost there.

  18. Re:ACTA was rejected by EU by cbope · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, no. ACTA was effectively rejected by the European Parliament, whose *elected* members represent the people of the EU. However, it has not so far been dropped by the European Commission, whose *un-elected* (appointed) officials generally do whatever they want regardless of what Parliament says.

    There is still hope that the EU will finally reject ACTA, but the fight is not over yet.