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Today's Children Are Officially Potty Mouths

tetrahedrassface writes "When the Sociolinguistics Symposium met earlier this month swearing scholar Timothy Jay revealed that an increase in child swearing is directly related to an increase in adult swearing. It seems that vulgarity is increasing as pop culture continues to popularize vulgarities. The blame lies with media, public figures, politicians, but mostly ourselves. From the article: 'Children as young as two are now dropping f-bombs, with researchers reporting that more kids are using profanity — and at earlier ages — than has been recorded in at least three decades.'"

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  1. Oblig. by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Funny

    So fucking what? /sarcasm

    1. Re:Oblig. by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh Belgium, not this again.

      They're words. As many bright people (including Frank Zappa and George Carlin) have pointed out, getting worked up over the words is silly. Getting worked up over the meanings, hatreds, etc behind the words is appropriate, but the words themselves are harmless.

      A big myth related to children in general is that they're innocent creatures ignorant of all things biological. They aren't, and they never really have been.

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    2. Re:Oblig. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most everybody I knew in college, in an exclusive Honors Program no less, swore like sailors, myself included. Sorry, but don't buy the hype that swearing is somehow correlative with education. It's not.

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    3. Re:Oblig. by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Funny

      What does low 4 digit mean?

      That you are actually dead and your post was made by a highly evolved AI that you wrote many years ago.

      Not necessarily highly evolved. Some of us were replaced by small shell scripts.

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  2. disgraceful by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Funny

    as my toddler would say, that's fucked up!

  3. Adults too. by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Monkey see, Monkey do. I have noticed an increase in the amount of swearing that adults do too. I'm guessing also that parents aren't beating their children (spanking) or rinsing their mouth out (with liquid dish soap) as much either.

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    1. Re:Adults too. by tophermeyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One thing I've noticed is that adults are less likely to call other adults out on profanity around children. I remember as a kid going to baseball games it was pretty unusual for someone to swear and not be called out on it. The swearing happened, as a kid I was aware of it, but I also saw the adults around me taking the time to ask the person to mind their language.

      Maybe I'm just old and cranky, but that kind of thing doesn't happen as much anymore. Adults are either a lot more tolerant or much more timid in engaging the lewd individual and asking them to stop. I miss that.

    2. Re:Adults too. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the distinction between "private" and "public" language has decreased. It used to be that vulgar words weren't used in common discourse with strangers, or in public forums, or in mixed company. These words were reserved for use with your buddies, a "men's language" if you will, and were used only rarely, or for strong effect, by women.

      A lot of these distinctions have decreased with the spread of mass-market media that depicts these words used commonly. I think this was initially a way to make movies and television shows feel more authentic and real, closer to the common language of people, with the result being that the spoken language of the US as a whole has become more common.

      I think as the words have become more common and less laden with shock value, adults concern about their children hearing or using them has diminished. So I suspect adults are just less shocked to hear others use these words in public and realize the futility of trying to prevent their children from hearing them when they are likely to hear them in movies or on television anyway.

  4. Anecdote by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My nephew just turned 4 a little while back. Sadly, he has a speech impediment that has made him difficult, if not impossible, to understand until very recently. Over over the past 6 months or so his speech has improved considerable and we finally know... that the kid swears like a sailor, he's probably been swearing for years and no one ever knew it. Seriously, we're all in the kitchen and we hear "Holy shit!" come out of the living room, go in to see what's going on and he's watching Sesame Street. Obviously we tried and failed to not laugh, so I can't imagine we helped the situation any.

  5. Don't blame the media.. by Malc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... blame the parents. The media just reflects what is acceptable to society.

    I've always wondered though why Americans get so upset about bad language and sex, but violence on TV is ok for children to watch.

    1. Re:Don't blame the media.. by qwijibo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      my sister is quite possibly the most selfish and arrogant person to walk this planet

      This is the kind of unnecessarily wordy language that confuses young kids. It's much easier and more accurate to say "my sister is a bitch" which everyone understands more clearly.

      Today's children aren't potty mouths, they're just much more efficient in their usage of words. Why sugar coat something when the efficient bad words are commonly accepted?

    2. Re:Don't blame the media.. by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Eloquence. This is a weapon of the vocabulary knights. Not as random or as clumsy as your profanity, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

  6. Swearing is relative by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Swearing is relative to a perceived base.

    On the old people stodgy baseline it is all swearing, even "boobies".
    On the young people base line "fuck" is emphasis mark.

    Language changes. Swear words are something that change quite quickly.

  7. Re:But by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    iPod, iPhone, iPad etc

  8. Is this really a problem? by iONiUM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know how others feel, but I've never felt some sort of stigma against using swear words. The only time I refrain is when it's socially unacceptable (i.e. at a funeral) because then other people would potentially become upset towards me. At my funeral though? I'm going to encourage it. From the grave.

  9. Re:Pretty sad. by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, there's a study that shows when people swear after getting hurt that it has a therapeutic effect. As in, hitting your thumb with a hammer accidentally and yelling Goddamit When you hold it in, it makes it worse. So I make a point to swear when I hurt myself, and I do feel better immediately.

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  10. Who the fuck cares? by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have never understood the stigma about swearing. They are words, just like any other. What really is the difference between saying "I took a dump" and "I took a shit"? They mean exactly the same thing, but for some reason shit is a dirty word.

    It is all about how you use words, not the words you use. You can be just as vulgar and mean without using "swear" words. Is it really less offensive for me to say "The best part of you squirted out of your father's substandard size penis and rolled down that chunk of lard your mother called a thigh" than for me to say "Holy fuck that is cool"?

    Words are just words, it's the meaning behind them that matters.

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  11. Re:Pretty sad. by ifrag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    effectively express thoughts or feelings

    I find that swearing is often very effective at expressing my thoughts and feelings.

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  12. Re:Not really a big deal by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    just like when kids i the 60's would make marijuana legal when they got into politics.

    Please.

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  13. Need more powerful words by toxonix · · Score: 4, Funny

    These goddamn kids are diluting the strength of words. I'm going to have to get creative now. The trick I think is to combine things that multiply the strength of the words. Here are some examples of profane combinations, and please don't let the kids get wind of them:
    "Jesus Fuck!"
    "Christ's Tits!"
    "Mother of God's Firm Ass!"
    "Jesus Raped!"
    I could go on..

  14. We now idolize the prison and degenerate cultures by acidradio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't much of a surprise to me anymore. In previous generations we idolized decent, intelligent, articulate and educated people. Somewhere it was decided that nobody can or should have to aspire to be any of those things and we should just aim for mediocrity because EVERYONE can be mediocre!

    At least in the US I am seeing this perpetual dumbing-down of the culture (some will argue here that the US culture was pretty dumb to begin with hehehe). Instead of "dressing for success" kids now wear these pants that sag down to their knees. This is a holdover from the prison culture where clothes are baggy and ill-fitting. Reality TV idolizes people who are often foul, vulgar, have no education and oh yeah, don't have any kind of gainful employment. What do we learn from shows like The Hills or Jersey Shore? Instead of keeping rigid and tough education requirements, public schools in the US have been dumbed-down so that "everyone gets a chance." Well I have some news - in the real world, nobody gets a chance, you have to work your ass off to get anywhere.

  15. Re:But by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    shut your sara palin you bloody /b/tard shitcock

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  16. Swearing in films by feidaykin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kids swearing reminds me of a great scene in Misery. If you haven't seen the film it's worth watching, it's both intringuing horror and somewhat comical (both intentionally and unintentioally). Anyway, romance novel writer Paul Sheldon is being held captive by his insane fan Annie Wilks. She reads a manuscript for his as yet unpublished novel with a more serious tone, and this is her reaction:

    Annie Wilkes: It's the swearing, Paul. It has no nobility.
    Paul Sheldon: These are slum kids, I was a slum kid. Everybody talks like that.
    Annie Wilkes: THEY DO NOT! At the feedstore do I say, "Oh, now Wally, give me a bag of that F-in' pig feed, and a pound of that bitchly cow corn"? At the bank do I say, "Oh, Mrs. Malenger, here is one big bastard of a check, now give me some of your Christ-ing money!" THERE, LOOK THERE, NOW SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!

    It's a great scene, mainly because Kathy Bates is so convincing as the mentally deranged Annie. But it does bring up the sort of cognitive dissonance about swearing. What does it really damage? From a philosophical standpoint, it's kind of odd that we humans make words that are considered taboo in the first place. Words have only the power that people give them. For example, others have already mentioned how what's acceptable has changed, and on that subject, I recall talking to my grandmother once about movies she saw when she was a kid. One of them was Gone with the Wind, and when Clark Cable uttered his famous "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" line, she said there was audible gasp in the theater. I can't even imagine the string of profanities needed to make a modern movie-going audience gasp. Actually, I think a string of profanities would have the opposite impact today, people would likely find it absurd at start laughing. So yes, language evolves, but so does society. Perhaps we've moved beyond assigning such power to words. The only exception I can think of is racial slurs, those are more offensive today to many people than they ever were in the past. It's not uncommon to find elderly folks that drop the N-word, not out of hatred or malice, but because that was just what "everyone" called black people when they were growing up. Granted, some elderly folks that use racial slurs are also racists, but it's not necessarily the case either. Things change, and not everyone can or will adapt.

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  17. Actually... by ryzvonusef · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have heard that Japanese doesn't have any words that could be considered to be profane per se. At least, that's what quite a few manga scanlation translators have asserted on their posts, when they have deign to explain :D

    Instead, the Japanese seem to utilize impoliteness and rudeness. So instead of a special word like "Freddy Uncle Charlie Kent", they have a rude form of the word "YOU!", which will serve the same purpose

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    1. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Many languages are actually like that.

      Sotho is an example. While some words are considered "swearing" in parts with heavy English influence (i.e. in South Africa, all the words corresponding to English profanity), this was not traditionally the case and is still not the case in other parts (i.e. Lesotho). I'm still trying to learn the language, so I can't give much detail.

      The Japanese language, since you mentioned it, has to take into account the complex social hierarchy (which is based on Confucian ideas). Once again my Japanese is not too good, so everyone feel free to add to/correct this.

      A word such as "temee" (probably the "you" that you referred to) is considered rude not because the word itself is inherently evil, but because it does not properly reflect the relation between the status of the speaker and the addressed.

      If I'm your senior (in age, in the workplace, or in basically any other way) your calling me "temee", "omae", "kimi", "anata" or any one of a number of words used for English "you" would be a very bad idea. Each of these does, however, have situations to which they apply.

      Let's say that you and I are men, that we are very good friends, and that there is no relationship of seniority. "Omae" would fit perfectly.

      Let's say that I'm some random guy of no real importance. "Anata" would do.

      Things get even more complicated when you begin to include sarcasm. "Kisama" is a very formal form of "you". In fact, it's so formal that it is only ever used sarcastically. But you can not be sarcastic with any other word. Never. ;)

      You can see where this is going.

      As for the things normally used for swearing (religion, bodily functions, etc.), there is much truth to what you said. Example: "Kuso" may translate to "faeces" in some more formal contexts. It can also be used as an expletive ("Shit!").

      Japanese does have words for sex, but they're not really used all that much. (Despite the fact that the Japanese don't share the Victorian mindset of "sex is dirty and no-one is doing it".) Merely having euphemisms doesn't make a word streng verboten.

      Sorry for the core dump.