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Plants Near Chernobyl Adapt To Contaminated Soil

lbalbalba writes "In April 1986, a nuclear reactor at the Chernobyl power plant in Ukraine exploded and sent radioactive particles flying through the air, infiltrating the surrounding soil. Despite the colossal disaster, some plants in the area seem to have adapted well, flourishing in the contaminated soil."

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  1. Obligatory... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Feed me, Seymour!

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    1. Re:Obligatory... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kind of what I was thinking, but not quite. I was suddenly hearing the song, "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" in my head....

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  2. Wasn't this predicted by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    in "Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind"?

    Adapt or die.

    1. Re:Wasn't this predicted by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Obviously He has made the plants smart enough to make that selection. Intelligent Design and all, you know?

      (Ok, going to get modded troll for this or burn in hell.)

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    2. Re:Wasn't this predicted by siddesu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and also I remember the number of articles on slashdot about how wildlife was thriving there, which were then totally debunked.

      Then, when real research was carried out, wild animals turned out to have shorter lifespans, all kinds of genetic diseases, have smaller litter, more defective offspring and generally be much less healthy than elsewhere.

      If I had to bet, I'd bet this new "research" has about as much validity as the brouhaha about the Przhevalsky horses in 2002.

      But hey, the sexy chick on the motorcycle was cool.

    3. Re:Wasn't this predicted by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2

      In my opinion, yes, far better (although you have to account for the fact that it was made in 1984 so it's not as slickly made as Spirited Away).

      The Nausicaä anime still only covers a small part of the full story that you get with all 7 manga books though, and it does give the impression of not quite being finished. And there's *that* scene at the end that Miyazaki was never happy with.

      It's worth putting up with the English dub for at least one viewing though, because Yupa is voiced by Patrick Stewart.

      In my opinion Princess Mononoke is still the best Miyazaki film. It stands on its own two feet better than Nausicaä does.

    4. Re:Wasn't this predicted by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really.
      The predictions used to involve everything bigger than rats keeling over and nothing but the most hardy stuff surviving in the contaminated areas.
      They've gradually changed to reflect reality and the nature of radioactive decay.
      Feel free to forget that though and pretend you always expected exactly what happened.

      As it turned out an area contaminated by radation appears to be far more hospitable to wildlife than an area heavily populated by humans.

      And humans do live in the exclusion zone.
      Not many but some do.

  3. It's because by ascari · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they are nuclear plants? [ducks]

    1. Re:It's because by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

      And heavy watering.

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  4. Hmmm that'll do... by pookemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA - "Scientists had to wear masks, goggles and gloves to work in the area"

    Meanwhile the remainder of their body was burnt to a crisp by the radioactivity. Masks, goggles and gloves? This experiment was presumably organised by someone from the Simpsons... (My eyes - the goggles do nothing!)

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    1. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Probably the point is not so much to shield radiation, but to reduce / prevent direct contact, or (worse) ingestion of radioactive material. Depending on conditions & duration of the job, masks, goggles & gloves may just be adequate.

    2. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Depends on the type and strength of radiation present. If it's mostly alpha particles then it will be blocked by your skin, but they can still penetrate mucous membranes (like in the nose and around the eyes) or be inhaled and absorbed through the lungs.

      There is also the inverse square law, standing several feet away from a lightly radioactive source is going to be less hazardous than handling it with your bare hands. Hence the gloves.

    3. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by pookemon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah - you should probably RTFA - that quote was from a caption of a picture showing the scientists wearing normal clothes, masks, goggles and gloves. None of which would do anything against radioactivity.

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    4. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by jamesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Radiation isn't the only problem. Uranium is toxic even without its radioactivity. I suspect that there are a bunch of other byproducts of a reactor explosion that are just as bad.

    5. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, the typical reaction to to the word "radioactivity."

      Most areas around Chernobyl are pretty harmlessly radioactive unless you a) spend a long time there or b) get some of the radioactive stuff on or in you and it sticks with you for an extended period of time.

      Cyanide is pretty deadly stuff too, but only if you ingest it.

    6. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they would do something.

      Primarily they would prevent the accidental ingestion of alpha particle emitters. Shit like polonium like the Russians used on that reporter a few years ago. They're normally harmless, your dead skin cells will stop the alpha particles, but [deity] help you if you ingest them.

      The background radiation levels are easily measurable and it's pretty easy to calculate how long someone should reasonable stay in an area unprotected. I would wager that these scientists actually know something about science, and were mainly concerned with ingesting alpha emitters, not absorbing gamma rays.

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    7. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Probably the point is not so much to shield radiation, but to reduce / prevent direct contact, or (worse) ingestion of radioactive material. Depending on conditions & duration of the job, masks, goggles & gloves may just be adequate.

      Right. The key is to limit exposure to the precise amount where you don't die, but do gain superpowers.

      These scientists know what they're doing.

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    8. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What do you think would happen to you if you stayed outside in direct sunlight day after day, for your entire lifetime? Plants are heartier than humans, probably because they tend to be far simpler. I'm sure a bio guy could tell you more accurate and precise reasons, but you seem to not want that...

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    9. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by tg123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, the typical reaction to to the word "radioactivity."

      For good reason too - we can not hear ,smell or taste radiation and its effects will last a life time.

      any exposure to radiation causes harm it is just a case of how well are bodies able to tolerate it.

      http://science.jrank.org/pages/5635/Radiation-Radiation-health.html

      Most areas around Chernobyl are pretty harmlessly radioactive unless you a) spend a long time there or b) get some of the radioactive stuff on or in you and it sticks with you for an extended period of time...................

      I will have to take your word for it. Never having been to the areas that surround the Chernobyl power plant, I would however think there must be a reason why the cities of Chernobyl and Prypiat were abandoned.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prypiat,_Ukraine

    10. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Vintermann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are positively glowing!

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    11. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most areas around Chernobyl are pretty harmlessly radioactive unless you a) spend a long time there or b) get some of the radioactive stuff on or in you and it sticks with you for an extended period of time.

      You have a strange definition of harmless.

      To me "it's OK if you were a protecive suit, mask and gloves, speed through without stopping and get hosed off at the other end" sounds more like a pretty good definition of a hazardous environment, but maybe I'm just a wuss.

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    12. Re:Hmmm that'll do... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most gamma radiation passes through your body without ever interacting.

      These scientists were worried about radioactive contamination, not acute radiation exposure. The defense against contamination is to keep the emitters from getting inside your body.

  5. Nice one by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

    A rod of applause to you.

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    1. Re:Nice one by CraftyJack · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd say we're about Three Mile(s) off.

  6. Great... by santax · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now eat that plant... See what happens. Maybe you get 'immune' maybe you don't :P

  7. Cool, but old news. by dcposch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, evolution is alive and well. A species of bacteria evolved in the early 70s that can digest nylon.

    I think this news is a nice reality check on that annoying but vocal cadre of environmentalists that are always predicting some kind of terrible apocalypse within the next couple of decades. Global cooling, for example. Not to mention a nifty "myth busted" moment for that old Hollywood trope of a post-nuclear wasteland.

    I'm definitely not saying we shouldn't take care of our environment, by the way, and I'm certainly not an AGW denialist. The specific way things are now matters a lot to us fickle and fragile humans. If the sea level rises by another yard, the crabs will just move. The Venetians are the ones that would be screwed.

    I'm just saying that nature is more resilient than people usually imagine.

    1. Re:Cool, but old news. by MrNemesis · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to mention a nifty "myth busted" moment for that old Hollywood trope of a post-nuclear wasteland.

      The explosion at Chernobyl wasn't a nuclear one, it was steam (due to a massive reactor power spike thanks to the skillful removal of pretty much all possible safety procedures in an already sub-optimal reactor design) that blew open the core and scattered radioactive material over the landscape and into the atmosphere thanks to the lack of a containment vessel. The Hollywood trope of the post-nuclear landscape typically involves the detonation of several hundred megatons of nuclear bombs and, as near as we can tell, is pretty accurate; Chernobyl isn't really comparable to a nuke in either the degree of the explosion or in the amount of radioactive fallout. /nitpick

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    2. Re:Cool, but old news. by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My understanding was that the point of this article was that this was not evolution, or at most an evolutionary switch-on of a feature that evolved long ago.

      When plants reach for the light, it's not because they are evolving into a new organism on the spot. Rather, they have long ago evolved to dynamically adapt to lighting conditions. What TFA is proposing is that plants dynamically adapt to ionizing radiation as well, and they have had that capability for some time, it's just that we haven't been in a position to observe it.

      As to the rest of your comment: If you think "environmentalists are always predicting some kind of terrible apocalypse withing the next couple of decades" and cite "global cooling" as an example - maybe you're not an AGW denialist, but you have apparently picked up some of their rhetoric style.

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  8. Day Of The Triffids! by IonOtter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Scientist: Wow! They're thriving!

    Plant: (Yeah, that's right b*tch. You better believe it.)

    *weeks pass*

    Plant: (Eat me. Go on, you know you want to? Look at my lovely leaves, my beautiful drupes. I'm tasty. You KNOW I am. Eat me, human.)

    Scientist: Hmmmm...I wonder...

    Plant: (That's right, baby. Oh yesssss...verrry good.)

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  9. Mother nature by p51d007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Amazing how mother nature always seems to adapt to whatever man throws at it. And people still continue to say we can blow up the world. Earth took hits from asteroids, wiped out the critters, adapted, evolved and moved on. Same thing with any pollution.

    1. Re:Mother nature by Antisyzygy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Key point : Pollution affects Humans too. If you are interested in there being human beings around in the future you need to either, A) Get us off planet to other colonies or B) preserve the "colony" we have. There may be some other creature that evolves with our capacity for abstraction and application of abstraction (i.e. engineering) on Earth. However if you believe that intelligence like ours is rare in the Universe and also believe it is worthwhile, then we need to handle Earth a little better or start funding Nasa with our cigarette and booze money. Budget Comparison to Consumer Expenditures and SpaceReview.

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    2. Re:Mother nature by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amazing how mother nature always seems to adapt to whatever man throws at it.
      And people still continue to say we can blow up the world. Earth took hits from
      asteroids, wiped out the critters, adapted, evolved and moved on. Same thing with
      any pollution.

      More like Nature adapting to Nature.
      Why are humans always separated out from natural things? Humans are animals just like ants and bees. Bees create honey, something that would not exist without bees creating it, and it's considered natural. Yet humans create things like "High Fructose Corn Syrup" and it's not considered natural.

    3. Re:Mother nature by dido · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was never a question of nature or the earth managing in spite of what we do. Nothing we can do, except possibly detonating every nuclear weapon in the world's arsenal (and maybe not even then) will be sufficient to completely wipe out all life on the planet. The real question is whether or not whatever we do or fail to do will make the planet uninhabitable for us humans. Nature may be resilient, but the human species, having existed for only 100,000 or so years in its present form, a mere blink of an eye in geological terms, isn't even close.

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    4. Re:Mother nature by master_p · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is not life in general after we blow up the world. The problem is human life after we blow up the world. Life in general will go on on this planet for ever, until the planet is consumed by the Sun. The problem is us.

  10. Darwin +1 Creationism +0 by Antisyzygy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Troll Alert : It boggles my mind why people still don't accept evolution as being a close approximation of the truth. I say "close approximation" because even physics is an abstract collection of ideas meant to help our human minds approximate physical laws of our Universe. As a species have had numerous examples of evidence be observed or deduced which support evolution. There is observed evidence, as in this case of plants near Chernobyl as well as others like the peppered moth, and qualitative evidence paired with analysis such as in the case of the varied forms of archaeology. These plants represent a micro-evolutionary step, as some people refer to it. Macroevolution(tau) = Microevolution(100000*t) . Differentiation within a species given enough time diverges the species into parts. Simply put, give it enough time and micro-evolution becomes macro-evolution. If you have some math background you will also deduce my other point; no matter what you call it its evolution.

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    1. Re:Darwin +1 Creationism +0 by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is such a thing as "long day creationism". God may have created the universe over billions of years. The same Hebrew word "day" in Genesis is used in other parts of scripture to mean "ages" or "indefinite amount of time". There is no where in the Bible that says the world is only 6000 years old. That number is simply assumptions some random priest made hundreds of years ago, there's no reason why he must be correct, and I believe he is wrong. I have an article with more detail here.

  11. Yep, evolution can be really fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Under the right circumstances, evolution can be quite fast. The geological history of the earth shows many massive die-offs followed by a tremendous flowering of new life forms. If there is an ecological niche available, something will adapt/evolve to fill it.

    Naturally, simpler life forms evolve faster than complex ones. Germs evolve in months. Humans evolve in tens of millennia. Plants are somewhere between the two.

    1. Re:Yep, evolution can be really fast by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better let the polar bears know, because it only took them 5-10k years to adapt. That's pretty quick in geologic time.

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  12. Re:BBC, wtf? by mejogid · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is how the BBC reports online - single sentence 'paragraphs' under headings that are closer to where you'd really divide paragraphs. I'm not sure why you're so outraged, news reports in general use short paragraphs and fragments. The NY Times, for example, frequently uses single sentence paragraphs.

    It makes articles easier to skim and ensures a consistent style between journalists, I'm not sure what your issue with it is.

  13. You are mistaken by pikine · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read their method.

    They first observe that plants start to spontaneously grow again in contamination sites despite the high radioactivity. Then they brought in seeds from uncontaminated origin. One batch goes to the contamination site, and another batch (the controlled group) goes to a decontaminated area near the site. Seeds grow fine in both batches, showing that seeds from uncontaminated origin is able to survive the radioactivity in the very first generation. The study is about the mechanism how plants naturally resist radioactivity. No evolution is taking place here.

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  14. The kids aren't all right. by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Coupl'a things -

    1) Chernobyl is not over, and not contained. The "sarcophagus" was temporary at best, is crumbling now, and it's permanent replacement has been beset by budgetary, engineering and political issues that seem irresolvable.

    2) Apart from 6' trout and 10' catfish, wildlife around Chernobyl and Pripyat is absolutely not doing well. Excepting a few migratory songbirds, the place is eerily silent.

    3) But it's OK, because a few plant species turn out to be radiation-tolerant?

    No, not OK. I'm not against nuclear power wholesale, but maybe we should be taking a long, hard look at pebble-bed, 4S and thorium reactors?

    1. Re:The kids aren't all right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hate to tell you but 10' catfish aren't that uncommon. Go check the noodling sites sometime and you'll find plenty that are over 8 foot long in populated areas where rednecks eat catfish and a fair number of well documented 10 footers too. Put those same catfish in areas where the rednecks would be afraid to eat them or even use the waterways for transport and guess what you'd find? These things would thrive in the right conditions. Even 6 foot trout are known outside of radioactively contaminated areas.

      People are living and farming within 20 miles of the plant and there is a known substantial population of elk, deer, wolf, fox and others in the so-called dead zone and they've been there for years. I'm not saying it's safe or even that it's tolerable but it is happening.

      You might know enough to sound a little learned when it comes to reactors but it's nothing that anyone else here couldn't have figured out for themselves in 10 minutes using Google. What you clearly don't know about is the fact that you're dead wrong about Prypiat and it's current ecosystem.

    2. Re:The kids aren't all right. by Caption+Wierd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh please. I am a radiation expert in real life. I have been to Chernobyl. It is no more "eerily silent" there than it is in the non-contaminated areas. The surrounding area is mostly farmland and was cleared many years ago. Perhaps the simplest explanation is that the plants and animals are just not as sensitive to radiation as the movies and sci fi shows suggest. That plus the fact that most of the isotopes released (iodine-131 for example) have long decayed away. Humans are more sensitive to the effects of radiation than most other creatures. When we protect humans we end up protecting the environment. That said, even though I full expect the plants to grow healthy in the downwind zone, I would not eat them for fear of further concentrating any remaining contamination they contain and raising my risk of cancer. But I don't smoke, either, for similar reasons.

    3. Re:The kids aren't all right. by Toze · · Score: 2, Informative

      All nature sounds eerily silent to people accustomed to the noise of city living. There is no hum of engines or transformers, no sirens, no screeching tires, no TV or radio. It is shocking like plunging into cold water when you step out of your car and into an environment where noise is the exception rather than the rule. At first, it sounds dead. As you begin to grow accustomed to it, however, you start hearing wind in the trees or grass, birds, etc. It sounds "desolate" because the sounds are different in volume and frequency, not because everything is dead. Moles, deer, and wolves don't make a lot of noise. There's a reason people that go way out into the bush for a long time sometimes come back and don't talk much. Silence is natural.

      I'll grant you that the containment doesn't seem promising. Plants regularly grow in radiation zones, though, afaik; they're usually a lot more radiation-tolerant than we are. Gingko trees survived at Hiroshima (still growing today; http://www.xs4all.nl/~kwanten/hiroshima.htm ), lichens are hard to affect with radiation, etc.

      Totally agreed on Thorium (liquid salt) reactors. I don't like having our nuclear power technology stuck in the 60's.

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  15. Re:Of course life adapts. by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "And Humans will adapt by dying out."

    The many survivors of atomic testing and nuclear attack suggest otherwise.

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  16. No predator(s)? by An+anonymous+Frank · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Could it be that whatever fauna that survived, adapted and/or now thrives might do so under conditions perhaps harsher due to radiation, yet plausibly improved by a potentially reduced presence of any predator species, whom may not have fared as well, or may have been displaced?

    1. Re:No predator(s)? by UnCivil+Liberty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Could it be that whatever fauna that survived, adapted and/or now thrives might do so under conditions perhaps harsher due to radiation, yet plausibly improved by a potentially reduced presence of any predator species, whom may not have fared as well, or may have been displaced?

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  17. The plants are thriving by Provocateur · · Score: 4, Funny

    They were all active that day, talking about the weather, gossiping, and walking around. And right before the scientists and researchers drove in to the site, one of the plants yelled "CAR!" and they all stood still.

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  18. Re:Plant vs. Human evolution by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There aren't many natural sources of substantial radiation, unless you go digging up and concentrating the relevant elements or go far enough back in earth's history that plants hadn't been invented yet. There is virtually no call for the adaptation of radiation resistance, outside of a few man made regions.

    However, as it happens, the biochemical adaptations required to survive severe dessication or extreme heat(which, like radiation, pretty much go all bull-in-a-china-shop on your genome and metabolically important molecules) happen to, in a number of cases, be pretty useful in radiation resistance as well. Bacteria like d. radiodurans, t. gammatolerans, and organisms like tardigrades are extremely radiation resistant; but as a side effect of their adaptations to heat and dessication.

    Given the survival value, particularly for seeds, of being able to survive hard times and then germinate, or aggressively seize territory(and light) left open by forest fires, it wouldn't be a total surprise if plants had picked up a few adaptations in the same vein...

  19. Re:Of course life adapts. by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "What does not kill me, makes me stronger."

    "I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term Natural Selection"

    Nietzsche, Darwin, what's the difference.

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  20. Re:And this is stunning because.... by sirrunsalot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Did all the plants die off after Chernobyl?

    In some areas, yes. See Red Forest. But that doesn't stop plants and animals from making their way back in, however slowly. Sounds like an extreme environment ripe for adaptation/evolution.

  21. Re:Of course life adapts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ok let's cut your legs, it will make you stronger

  22. What by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Plants are very primitive compared to animals, and localized mutations of their cells have nearly no effect on them, so why would they be significantly affected by radioactive contamination in the first place? The whole problem with radioactive contamination and plants is that they can accumulate radioactive isotopes over their lifetime and become dangerous for humans and animals to consume.

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  23. Re:And this is stunning because.... by pedantic+bore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As the earlier commenter pointed out, the plants might be poisonous as crops if they aggregate the radioactive materials, so maybe the health of the plants is nothing to be overjoyed about. However, one of the points is that the forests around Chernobyl never died off. There wasn't a period when the area around the reactor completely died. The plants didn't "adapt" to the radiation; they were already adapted to tolerate quite a bit of it.

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