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In France, Hadopi Reporting Begins, With (Only) 10,000 IP Addresses Per Day

mykos writes with an excerpt from TorrentFreak that says the automated enforcement of France's three-strikes law known as Hadopi is now coming into effect: "The scope of the operation is mind boggling. The copyright holders will start relatively 'slowly' with 10,000 IP-addresses a day, but within weeks this number is expected to go up to 150,000 IP-addresses per day according to official reports. The Internet providers will be tasked with identifying the alleged infringers' names, addresses, emails and phone numbers. If they fail to do so within 8 days they risk a fine of 1,500 euros per day for every unidentified IP-address. To put this into perspective, a United States judge ruled recently that the ISP Time Warner only has to give up 28 IP-addresses a month (1 per day) to copyright holders because of the immense workload the identifications would cause."

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  1. Re:So what happens to IP addresses outside France? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It won't. It is trivial to find out which ISP owns a particular IP - all allocations are public. Once you've identified an IP owned by a French ISP, then you can ask them to identify the customer.

    Oh, and before everyone starts being glad that this is in France so it doesn't affect them, they might like to check the open source programs on their hard drive. Most of you will find at least one project that uses bandwidth and equipment provided by free.fr.

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  2. Re:Erm by Antity-H · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well unfortunately you don't get off the hook simply by saying that it wasn't you, you have to prove it wasn't you and if you do, you still get fined because you neglected the security of your network installation.

    To "help" people with securing their network, the french government issued a 200+ pages specification for a software that would secure your computer and prevent it from being used to downlaod illegal content.

    The specification requires the program to be one the best malware ever created, able to disrupt anti virus and anti spyware so it's not removed by error, hidden so the process can't be killed by the user, so the program can't be uninstalled, logs in both a crypted and an unencrypted files all network actions of the machine, etc etc

    Basically the best spyware ever. This is on the market for a contractor to realize. Oh and obviously people will have to buy it to comply with the network security requirements.

    I cant' wait for the first lawsuits.

  3. Re:Let the show begin! by schon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wonder how many false accusations will result from this operation.

    LOTS. Considering how trivial it is to forge an IP address on a peer to peer network, and how simple it is to find which IP addresses are french, they are one 4chan meme away from the whole country going dark.

    If someone has the IP addresses of the French parliament members, that would be a good place to start, IMHO.

  4. Re:France, country of copyright thieves? by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No you see it wrong.

    They need three strikes to disconnect a subscriber. Say on average three people sharing a connection (a typical household size, won't be much off for France), and assume every household has an Internet connection (that's a sure over-estimation of course), that makes just over 20 mln subscribers in France.

    Now say all of them are involved in the regular illegal sharing of copyrighted material (another overestimation).

    Three strikes means some 60 mln notices.

    150k per (working) day, some 250 working days in a year, that means within two years time the complete ISP subscriber base has been warned three times and has been reported to the courts for further action.

    So by the end of 2012, the complete French economy comes to a halt. The court system is fully overloaded, an dall ISPs are filing for bankruptcy for lack of any subscribers.

    Now that would be fun.

  5. Re:Carte blanche by kangsterizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and the ISP in question is FREE.FR
    I think it's worth mentioning their name as they regularly stand out to defend such causes. The competition is mostly owned by music/media lobbies therefore they mostly do what they're told.

    It goes further. The person from the government who was first in charge of HADOPI has been forced into the biggest French ISP administration (Orange/France Telecom - a previously state owned company), to make them, sorry, force them to accept and play nice with HADOPI.

    That's how far the corruption goes. Note that this person thinks OpenOffice is a firewall solution, just as a funny bonus.

  6. Re:Carte blanche by dmayle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Obviously spoken by someone who doesn't really know that much about France.

    I lived for six years in France, and there is one main difference in politics between the French and Americans. When we talk about the government, we use the pronoun 'they': they can't do this, if they raise taxes, etc. For the the French, the government is 'we'. (Cue bad French jokes). I don't know why we do it [some stupid policy]. We need to do something about retirement ages.

    It seems small, and so you might discount it, but this little difference is key to understanding the French. They are disgusted when voter turnout was an amazingly low (for them) 88% in the last election. We as Americans are happy if we get 50%. They've rewritten their constitution five times because they felt the situation had changed and it needed to be updated.

    And as to the riots just being a national sport, that's not true. In 2006, the conservative right wing government tried to introduce a special employment contract that discriminated against the young. (Values of the French republic: Liberty. Equality. Brotherhood.) The youth held strikes, and rioted. They barricaded schools, held rallys, etc. A month later the discriminatory contract was removed from law.

    As a nation, we haven't had that much national will since the civil rights movement. (Unless you count the national racism that whipped us into a fervor to support George Bush and his plans in Afghanistan^H^H^H Iraq.)

  7. Re:Carte blanche by Dashiva+Dan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    No, they should make it easier for them and make them available online.
    Of course, there'd need to be a signup for the account to access them, with triple password secure login, and to keep it secure, the login would only be valid for a single ip's data.
    So the process would be:
    1. Register to get ip details
    2. wait for registration confirmation
    3. log in to system
    4. provide authentication of your login
    5. match captcha
    6. get details
    7. registration gets deleted - one time use only

    That would be the process to collect each ip's details.
    Of course, a written request for each ip would also be required.
    If they don't like the process then they could be mailed.
    Each ip's details individually mailed again, of course, CoD.
    And to ensure they're protected, they would have to be first class registered mail signature required.

    I mean sure, if you legally have to provide them, fine, but you still need to ensure the security of the information.

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