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Man Gets 12-Year Jail Sentence For Planting Child Porn On Enemy's Computer

An anonymous reader writes with an update to a story we discussed in August about Neil Weiner, a man who sought to ruin the life of a school caretaker by planting child pornography on his computer. Weiner has now been convicted on two counts of possession of child pornography and one count of perverting the course of justice. He was sentenced to 12 years in jail. "The judge told Weiner that his plot to have Mr. Thompson sacked and prosecuted very nearly succeeded. Police had been careful not to make public their arrest of the caretaker and only informed those at the school who needed to know, he said. 'But you gratuitously and spitefully informed the local press so that he and his wife suffered the distress of the unwelcome publicity which followed.' Mr. Thompson's health and that of his wife suffered. The judge said: 'There are still those who believe, and probably always will, that he is a pedophile. I am wholly satisfied that Mr. Thompson is innocent.' ... Weiner had discovered the caretaker's password by looking over his shoulder one day and been caught doing so. When Mr. Thompson was asked why he did not change it, he said he wished he had, adding: 'Who in their worst nightmares would could have thought that anyone could stoop to do what he did?'"

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  1. Perverting the course of justice. by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What an appropriate charge. Also, this guy can rot.

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    1. Re:Perverting the course of justice. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How much time would his victim have gotten? He should get the same + one year for being an asshole.

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    2. Re:Perverting the course of justice. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fired is one thing.
      Fired, for kiddie porn, is something else entirely.
      Simply being accused is enough to ruin your life.

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    3. Re:Perverting the course of justice. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...And this wouldn't be a lot less of a problem if society weren't conditioned to grossly overreact and gang-stalk people because of a few images.

      In before slippery slope assholes who believe that every person who looks up heroin online is destined to be a junkie.

    4. Re:Perverting the course of justice. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the other hand, some assholes deserve to be framed. Like my previous boss who fired me because "you were eating too much food at lifetime"...

      That's worth 12 years in prison?!

      This is why vigilantism is frowned upon.

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    5. Re:Perverting the course of justice. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the other hand I know of at least two cases where DNA proved two murderers were innocent. They lost 25 years of their lives, because the government stubbornly refused to do a simple test..... they could have been released ten years earlier.

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  2. Lethal Weapon VII by alphatel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The use of child porn as a weapon will now land you in jail longer than
    • Armed Robbery with an AK-47
    • Shooting into a crowd
    • Selling heroin to children

    All of the above combined

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    1. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which was what was going to befall his victim had the person not been cleared. It's only fitting that he now gets put into that spot himself.

      Correction, that's exactly what's happening to the person anyway. Just as the judge said, there will forever after be people who are likely going to believe the man is a pedo even after the judge cleared his name. I doubt the press will publish the results of the trial as front page news since it will show that they were fooled by the man. At best perhaps a small article at the bottom of page 18.

    2. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by Applekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the point. The social stigma and legal punishments for what amounts to a thought-crime (mere possession of child pornography, not the creation of it) is above crimes that cause real, tangible harm to other people.

      Instead of pinning child porn on the caretaker, he could have just outright shot him and suffered a more lenient fate*.

      * Assuming, of course, GP is being factual in the list of crimes that have more lenient punishments.

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    3. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, and i suppose it is worse than ACTUALLY destroying someone's life, permanently? As in, you know, KILLING them?

      No. Nice strawman, though. If he had murdered the guy he would be facing a mandatory life sentence rather than this 12 years.

      BTW, I'm not a "think of the children person". The fact that he tried to destroy this person's life with child porn is irrelevant. He could have tried to frame him for any other number of things and I still wouldn't feel a lick of sympathy for him.

    4. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by Faluzeer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hmmm

      It will also get you a longer sentence than abusing hundreds of children as in the following case

      The above case seems to be remarkably lenient, given the sheer scale of the abuse I would have thought a life sentence would have been more appropriate.

    5. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      causing temporary emotion distress

      Yeah, no one ever has lifelong emotional issues stemming from being sexually abused. No, once the person stops raping you you just magically get over it and it's like nothing ever happened at all.

    6. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually I would say it is pretty unique to CP, in that the state is actively pushing the insanity just as they did the red scare of the 50s. Basically in most places all you have to do is say CP and you are pretty much considered guilty, not only by the press, but by the prosecutors and police as well. See Little rascals daycare and McMartin preschool for examples.

      And I'd argue by making it into a witchhunt they are making the world a worse place for kids, as the reason parents are afraid to let their kids just go out and play anymore is the constant bogeymen paranoia being pushed, even though the odds are something like 15 times more likely for a child to be touched inappropriately by a relative than a stranger.

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    7. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He was done for perverting the course of justice. Which is not a thought crime in any aspect.

      It causes real harm to other people, undermining the justice system itself. I'd argue it is a more serious offense than murder - not for the person being murdered or their families/friends, but for society in general.

      And in the UK all those listed offences (and perverting the course of justice as well) have life in prison as their maximum. of course you don't usually get the maximum. But in a country where the general duty police don't carry guns I'm pretty sure you are getting more than 12 years in prison if you use an AK-47 to commit armed robbery...

    8. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by Selfbain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The ultimate weapon of the twenty first century: a catapult that fires naked children at your enemies.

      If you give those children MP3 players filled with pirated music this weapon might just be capable of destroying the world.

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    9. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As it should, IMHO. Were you attempting to shock us into thinking this should be otherwise?

      If you commit armed robbery with an AK-47 (or whichever weapon you choose to wield?), you've presumably been successful in taking some money that wasn't yours -- but this charge, alone, doesn't mean you physically harmed anyone.

      If you shoot into a crowd, again, you put people at RISK of injury or death, but again, if you actually injured/killed someone, the crime wouldn't simply be "shooting into a crowd" any longer.

      If you sell heroin to children? Well, you're not likely to get off too easy for that one .... but at least you were simply conducting a business transaction with an illegal substance. Without looking into each individual circumstance, we know little to nothing about the long-term effects that sale had on the kid(s) who did the buying. Maybe they were just paid something to buy it for an adult family member who knew kids wouldn't serve time for such an act?

      If you plant child porn on someone's computer or other property with successful intent to frame them for collecting it? You *definitely* ruined that person's life/reputation. There's really no "potentially" about it! They're going to go to prison for a long time for that crime they didn't commit, PLUS after they get out, they're stuck "checking in" with probation officers on pretty much a weekly basis, are restricted as to where they can buy or rent a home, and will have a really tough time getting respectable jobs. Many jobs will be illegal for them to obtain, period (such as a handyman or construction worker doing any work for schools or day-care/child-care centers). Even if you were DIRECTLY responsible for getting a person hooked on illegal drugs, at least that person could go seek treatment and get back off of them. There is no "cure" for someone's sexual interest in underage kids, so nowhere the framed individual could ever go to prove he was no longer a risk.

    10. Re:Lethal Weapon VII by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sigh, the man was indicted but never convicted. He has subsequently died, don't you think that it's about time that the jokes about his alleged sexual offenses died off?

      I mean he was found to be not guilty by a jury of his peers and the evidence was never particularly strong anyways.

  3. Live and learn by al0ha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who in their worst nightmares would could have thought that anyone could stoop to do what he did?

    This clearly illustrates that until lay persons learn to think otherwise in terms of privacy and security on systems and networks; nothing is going to get better.

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    1. Re:Live and learn by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who in their worst nightmares would could have thought that anyone could stoop to do what he did?

      This clearly illustrates that until lay persons learn to think otherwise in terms of privacy and security on systems and networks; nothing is going to get better.

      Hello??? If you people go out sometimes (you know, the big blue room with the bright light) do you always wear your bullet-proof west, keep your back against the wall at all times and look for cover points in case somebody around you is a raving psychopath looking to stab someone or lurking with a sniper rifle? No, I don't trust strangers but if you think this should be "expected" then you must have serious problems functioning in a society with other people. If I realized someone saw my password and thought "hey, maybe they'll plant child porn on my computer, report it to the police and alert the media to ruin my life and send me to prison for god-knows-how long" then I'd be an hermit living in a cave far, far away from everyone else.

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  4. Not suprising... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't surprising when you have laws forbidding the possession of information and a stigma that persists if someone were to openly come against ridiculous laws simply forbidding possession of information.

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    1. Re:Not suprising... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Waaaaaah. I'm so broken up inside over people getting in trouble for possessing pictures and videos taking of people being raped. Oh how sad it is for them.

    2. Re:Not suprising... by DanTheStone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are correct. Possession of anything as a crime makes it extremely easy to frame people, and interferes with presumption of innocence (since it doesn't care how that came into your possession, only that it existed). It is also extremely difficult to change, since wanting to fix a broken system leads to you being called a witch yourself.

      And the parent may have been flamebait, but it seems like the natural conversation for this story.

    3. Re:Not suprising... by AnonymousClown · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I once saw photos taken by a (IIRC) French photographer at the previous turn of the century (1900s) of nude adolescent girls playing in the water. That's all. Nothing sexual about it. They're about as arousing as a table leg. I can't remember the photographer's name, but that's beside the point. In other countries, he's considered a great artist. In the US a child pornographer.

      We in the US have retarded attitudes towards sex and we are the twisted ones. If you think nude pictures of child are pornography, then that means you find them arousing and that you are the sick bastard.

      All those judges who ruled that pictures of children are pornography are the perverts.

      We in the US are pretty much perverts.

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  5. What a Happy Optimist Mr. Thompson Is... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Who in their worst nightmares would could have thought that anyone could stoop to do what he did?

    When I was growing up, my dad once told me something along the lines of, "Boy, think of the worst, meanest, most downright, terrible thing you would be willing to do to someone that you truly hated. Now, you can safely make the assumption that someone else out there could come up with something worse if you give them enough reason. Remember that."

    I always did.

  6. Re:hypocritical ignorant victim by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you RTFA, you'd know both the man and his family were subjected to months of abuse while the investigation proceeded, and the abuse occurred because the guy framing him leaked the charge to the news media. Yes, he should have changed his password, but that just puts him in the same category as the overwhelming majority of people who don't keep their office computers sufficiently secure.

    And yes, for many people, being accused of pedophelia IS worse than being charged with murder. I know a man who lost his job, his house and his family while his case dragged through the courts. The whole town thought he was guilty. He was beaten twice, once very severely. The kids who accused him eventually recanted their stories, but the damage was done. So you can take your self-righteousness and shove it straight up your ass.

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  7. Re:hypocritical ignorant victim by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shit, it's basically impossible to keep your computer "sufficiently secure" from anybody who has physical access to it all weekend like a co-worker. If someone wants to plant something on your machine, they're going to be able to do it. Even if you're paranoid and encrypt your hard drive and take your laptop home with you every night someone can still come in and stick a keylogger in your keyboard. Then it's just 10 minutes one lunchtime and you're forced to literally live under a bridge, alone and penniless until you die. That's the power of invoking one of our cultures most forbidden taboos.

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  8. Re:hypocritical ignorant victim by interval1066 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "So you can take your self-righteousness and shove it straight up your ass."

    I agree, I'm troubled by what more people than me are calling the 21st century equivalent of the Salem witch trials, made even more cogent by these frame charges. Every one of the supposed "witches" were simply accused of witchcraft by a group of four bored teenagers. The lives of the entire family faculty of McMartin PreSchool were destroyed because one child lied. Mere possession can land you in more hot water than murder? That's ridiculous. I'm not condoning pedophilia, but I think people & media are caught in a sensationalism that rivals yellow journalism from the 1900's.

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  9. Wow. Vindictive much? by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As others have pointed out, you were a contractor. Your choice. And this is your side of the story, I'm sure it leaves out some details. If you had an actual case, you could go to court. But you don't, do you? And so you daydream about ruining someone's entire life. Did you know the idea of "an eye for an eye" was originally not seen as harsh,because it was meant to replace "Your life for an eye." Of course nowadays, even "an eye for an eye" is seen as unjust. But you seem to think that even "an eye for an eye" is not harsh enough.

    If your boss had a problem with you watching Fox News, it sounds like you were simply not a good fit. Why stay at a place you are not wanted, especially as a contractor? Do you not feel confident in your abilities to find work? If that's the case, perhaps you should not be a contractor. She did you a favor, enabling you to look for a job where your political views would not be an issue. If you were a real employee, you might have a case. If you had some sort of protections written into your contract, you might have a case. But that is not how contractors generally work, they generally work at the whims of those that employ them, and can be let go for any reason or none, at any time.

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  10. Re:This would have worked by thasmudyan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More than anything else, this is the single best reason for keeping your security tight and your password secret - especially from caretakers, who will have free, unfettered and prolonged access to your work computers after you've gone home..

    It's technically infeasible (maybe even impossible) to secure a computer at your workplace from coworkers, even if you're an expert. Sure, you can make it harder for them, but in the end they can always get to you - be it with the OS install disk or a simple keylogger. The primary loophole used in this attack was not the victim's stupidly negligent password policy, but a justice system that makes it so very easy to frame people like that. Since it's a crime where you're guilty for mere possession of the material, nobody really cares how it got on your hard drive. You can say "I didn't put it there" all day if you want, fact remains it's there and you have it. The same mechanism applies to drug possession, which is also routinely used to frame people. Mr Thompson was just exceedingly lucky because his attacker was so mindbogglingly clumsy in framing him, then he got lucky again because police and the judge actually cared about the fact that he was "innocent". One can only assume that many people are not that lucky, the best they can hope for is a guilty plea bargain to reduce the inevitably draconian sentence.

  11. Re:hypocritical ignorant victim by BobMcD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i have no problem with anything until the victim attempts to exploit the media to further harm a convicted and sentenced man.

    that is a hypocritical act of malice and vengeance, and can only serve to discredit the justice system.

    we'll all see how the show ends in <12 years, and whether or not continued agitation of the situation was the "good" move.

    So even though he's been exonerated and the true criminal was successfully convicted, the innocent has no right to publicize his innocence? He was FRAMED for crying out loud. Who, if not he, should be allowed to vilify his attacker?

    You'd be just as well off asking a rape victim to be respectful and grateful to her rapist.

    So, how long HAVE you and the convicted been chums??

  12. Re:Just got a call from my wife by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you have any evidence that he's guilty, or are you just convicting him because the FBI raided him? Because you're sure acting as if he's guilty.