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Selling Incandescent Light Bulbs As Heating Devices

Csiko writes "The European Union has banned by law trading of incandescent light bulbs due to their bad efficiency/ecology (most of the energy is transformed into heat). A company is now trying to bypass this restriction by offering their incandescent light bulb products as a heating device (article in German) instead of a light device. Still, their 'heat balls' give light as well as heating. So — every law can be bypassed if you have some creativity!"

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  1. So? by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's wrong with that, it's not as if they're being misleading. That "wasted" energy has to go somewhere and if it's being used to heat up your home in the winter, then it's hardly "wasted."

    1. Re:So? by sammy+baby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True on the technicalities, but seriously? Electric radiant heat is terribly inefficient, and more often than not you'll be putting the heat source literally at the ceiling.

      Or hell, I dunno. Maybe you guys have fond memories of clustering underneath the bare bulb in your bedroom for warmth when you ran out of heating oil or something.

    2. Re:So? by guru42101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And some incandescent lights are already specifically sold for heating purposes. Just head down the reptile section of your pet store and you'll find heat lamps.

    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      haha. Yeah, that's what i thought. I actually switch out my CFLs to incandescent lightbulbs in the winter in my study because it is warmer. The study is a pretty small room and the lamp is close to me so it works out alright. I don't know about using heat balls in a large space though :p

      You'd save money by turning up the heat (or insulating your house.) Electric resistance heat is ridiculously expensive.

    4. Re:So? by xtracto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No no no... in the case of this product the wasted energy is turned to a yellowish light.

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  2. Re:I hate the new bulbs. by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop buying the cheapest shitty bulbs you can find.

  3. Market Forces are better than silly laws anyway... by BobMcD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The European union has banned by law trading of incandescent light bulbs due to their bad efficiency/ecology reasons (most of the energy is transformed into heat).

    If these items are generally better, in terms of energy consumption, and are likewise sold at a reasonable price, they OUGHT to make sense to buy. (Or make cents, as it were.) If they don't then people should be free to wait until they do.

    On the inverse, if there's a law requiring they be the only kind of bulb, then they can be built without concern for energy savings, and sold at any price. After all, the law says you have to have them, so why not profit from the artificial demand.

    Oh, and by the way, all that artificial demand is damaging the economy, which will likely lead to war, which is about the least 'green' thing imaginable. Why is it that we love to talk long term about climate change and human behavior, but can't seem to do so about economics? I'm astounded mostly because while the former is a natural phenomenon that could be influenced by humanity, the latter is entirely human and will cease to exist when we do.

    Just astounding.

  4. We use heatballs here... by alta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We live in a rural area. We aren't on city water, we have a well. About 3 or 4 times a year it gets cold enough that we turn on a light in the pump house to help raise the temperature to protect our already well insulated pipes. This is a very effective solution for us and safer than using a space heater. The space heater costs a lot more than a lightbulb and isn't considered 'safe to leave unattended.' We also have chickens. We have a heatlamp in there, and they can move in/out of it's light to control their own temp (don't want them cooked... yet...)

    Do we NEED more fucking regulations? Give me a break.

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  5. Re:I hate the new bulbs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "I care about the planet as much as the next guy"

    In oher words, you don't give a shit?

  6. Re:I'm buying what are considered decent CFLs by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bad light colour, low light output and short lifetimes are all exact symptoms of buying bad lights.

  7. The same is being done with sweetleaf/stevia by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although it is not approved by the FDA as an ingredient in foods [to replace HFCS and/or Aspartame] Stevia is being sold as a dietary supplement and more recently as a sweetener that may be added to foods by the end user. Sweetleaf, a sweetener as natural as sugar simply can't get the approval that high fructose corn syrup and aspartame have been able to acquire. So, instead, it is sold as "something else."

  8. CFL's are dirt cheap these days by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    at Costco and Home Depot they run just over $1 per bulb. with the energy savings you have to be crazy to keep on looking for incandescent bulbs

  9. ...and? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is true of anything. If it uses electricity, the plant efficiency is the same.

    However that doesn't imply wastefulness, it would well be a hydro, solar or nuclear plant. Also in some areas, natural gas isn't available. Where my parents live you heat your house using electricity. There just isn't natural gas hookups to be had.

    Electrical radiant is not at all an inefficient way to heat your house. The original poster didn't know what he was talking about.

  10. The answer, of course, is no by sean.peters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As usual, the price of incandescent light bulbs does not include the negative externalities their use implies. And also, people typically don't look at the life-cycle cost of the things they buy, just the up-front price. So the market, as is so frequently the case, is broken, and requires government help to get fixed.

  11. yeh but at least it's a dry heat.... by marxz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    using incandescent globes for heating is not _that_ uncommon in tropical areas... eh? you might say... WTF? even.... well simple, you put a low wattage (20-40) in your linen cupboard to keep humidity from condensing in what would normally be a cooler part of the house and it helps stop mould and mildew forming. it would be insane to have space heating in a house like my ex's in Broome Australia that normally sees a minimum temperature of, say, 15c at the coldest and averages around 30c and with almost constat high humidity... In this case it is light that is the waste product.