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100/1 Odds On 'First Contact' Within a Year

astroengine writes "After all the kerfuffle of 'Ambassadorgate' — when the UK media went nuts over the rumored promotion of Mazlan Othman to become the UN's first choice as mankind's alien point of contact — it would appear that gamblers saw this as a tip that an alien landing was imminent."

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  1. Let me be the first to say... by Mastadex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bullshit.

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    1. Re:Let me be the first to say... by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

      What a waste of an opportunity for a f1rst c0ntact post. Damn, and I even rushed over while the headline was still red!

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    2. Re:Let me be the first to say... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, all "100 to one odds" means in this context is if you bet a dollar they'll be here in a year and they show up, you win $100. It has nothing to do with the real probabilities, which are as close to zero as you can get.

    3. Re:Let me be the first to say... by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'll eat your words, YOU'LL EAT YOUR WOOOOOOOORRRRDS!

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      *dude, don't spoil the bet for me here, I am betting 1000:1 against it.

      Reminds me of another old joke:
      Two beggars are sitting on opposite corners of a street. One has a sign: give to a poor Arab, and he has a few dozens of coins in a plate. Another has a sign: give to a poor Jew. He has 1 coin.
      A passer by drops a coin into the Jew's plate and says: -You should probably change your sign, it's not working out.
      Once the guy left, the Jew yells to the Arab: Hey, Isaiah, he is going to teach us to do business here!

    4. Re:Let me be the first to say... by SETIGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also depends upon the definition of "first contact". Physical contact with an intelligent alien species that has traveled to earth? Communications with an extraterrestrial species? Discovery of any form of extraterrestrial life? I'd need to know the specifics before I'd put money on either side of that bet...

    5. Re:Let me be the first to say... by hawkfish · · Score: 2, Informative

      It also depends upon the definition of "first contact". Physical contact with an intelligent alien species that has traveled to earth? Communications with an extraterrestrial species? Discovery of any form of extraterrestrial life? I'd need to know the specifics before I'd put money on either side of that bet...

      On of my high school teachers described me as a "close encounter of the fourth kind" which he said meant "contact with an alien to the point where it becomes annoying". ;-)

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    6. Re:Let me be the first to say... by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, after ruling this planet for 35 million years or whatever, the dinosaurs just up and disappeared. Obviously they developed space travel and decided to migrate to a better part of the galaxy.

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    7. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do you realize how much our understanding of the universe has changed in 100 years? Do you realize how much our technology has advanced in 100 years?

      For all we know, there is a galactic Internet accessible via quantum effects of some sort. Tapping that would be first contact. Alternatively, synthetic lifeforms may be trying to replicate themselves by broadcasting the schematics for their hardware/software throughout the universe via radio waves, being "born" whenever some curious species detects the signal and builds it. Build it and talk to it -BAM- that's first contact. Considering the size of the universe and the principles of evolution, this later idea seems down-right likely, not just plausible.

      We don't have to be physically visited to make first contact.

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    8. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Defenestrar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now that the western world (especially the US) has an obesity issue, they might just decide that the time is right to migrate back ;)

    9. Re:Let me be the first to say... by nacturation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, after ruling this planet for 35 million years or whatever, the dinosaurs just up and disappeared. Obviously they developed space travel and decided to migrate to a better part of the galaxy.

      I remember seeing that Star Trek episode too: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Distant_Origin_(episode)

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    10. Re:Let me be the first to say... by master_p · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it's good. The first reaction of extra terrestrials on earth will be exactly that, i.e. 'Bullshit'.

    11. Re:Let me be the first to say... by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are a few reasonable assumptions we can make here:

      1) If one species develops faster-than-light travel, then that means it's possible, and so it is quite likely that more than one species will do it.
      2) Eventually, those species will run across one another as they zoom around the galaxy. As with relations here on earth when one civilization suddenly stumbled upon another, those meetups are not likely to be immediate friendships.
      3) Because of that, it's likely that interplanetary wars will break out, which means weapons capable of doing damage from orbit will be developed.
      4) Even if a civilization develops intergalactic travel capabilities and never runs across another species until they for some reason decide to holiday on earth (rather unlikely), they're still going to have weapons that will cause us serious problems, as they're going to have to have ways of clearing interstellar debris out of their path. The space shuttle cracked a windshield when it ran into a postage stamp sized flake of paint while in orbit. And that's when it was traveling a mere 18,000mph. Light travels at 186,000 miles per *second.* If they hit so much as a dust mote they'd be vaporized unless they've developed technology to knock the dust out of their way (which could easily be used as a weapon), or shielding capable of withstanding the impact (in which case, their shield could withstand anything we shot at them).

      So no matter what assumptive path you travel, you end up with the conclusion that any species that is so far advanced beyond our own as to achieve faster than light travel, even if 100% peaceful, has the capability to crush us, because if it didn't, it couldn't possibly survive its attempts to travel around the galaxy.

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    12. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Think of the steam engine. It is a single invention that caused and made possible the entire industrial revolution.

      Now you're giving Valve too much credit.

  2. Game changer by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If aliens do visit massive fluctuations in currencies and wealth will render said bet meaningless. It only makes sense to vote against.

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    1. Re:Game changer by KarlIsNotMyName · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd think it'd be more like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT ALIENS" in some places.

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    2. Re:Game changer by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wow, I just realized what a brilliant move this is on the part of the betting house. The fools who bet for it happening just aren't going to win, the fools who bet against it happening... well, take their stake, put it in a CD for 12 months, then give them their 1% winnings, while you keep the other 2% for yourself.

    3. Re:Game changer by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're right. Many people believe that the simple discovery of aliens would usher in some new era of either panic or cooperation for all of mankind.

      Based on what I've observed, I think it's most likely to be a simple case of few people caring. I'm sure some would claim it's a government conspiracy either way.

      You won't find a whole lot of people even concerned until they start whining about illegal aliens within our borders and the aliens taking our jobs.

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    4. Re:Game changer by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why?

      There wasn't hysteria when people where found on remote jungles, or the New world. They didn't stop believing when the stumbled upon other groups who didn't believe the same way.

      Seriously, you really underestimate the level of there delusion.

      Almost immediately it would be "Hey our god created others, isn't he great!"

      Yeah, there would be some people who do rash things, but they would be in the far minority.

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    5. Re:Game changer by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you kidding? There was massive hysteria in the New World when the Europeans arrived...

  3. Not really worth it even for a sure thing by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could be better than 1% interest by putting the money in a good bank for a year. A sure thing, indeed...but still not worth the bet.

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  4. It's a good tip... by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that some bookies figured that by giving great odds on an impossible events, idiots would flock to give them money.

  5. "The chances of anything coming from Mars... by Pflipp · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...are a hundred to one, they say...

    but still they come!

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  6. Re:Only 100/1? by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, why not 10,000:1 or even 1,000,000:1. They would get a lot more takers and they still wouldn't have to pay out. I mean the lottery is in some cases over 60 million:1 and people will happily give out a dollar to that. Of course, the lottery is a lot more likely to fall in your favor then aliens landing any time soon.

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  7. summary is incorrect by LordKronos · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary is incorrect. The 100 to 1 odds aren't even for first contact, but merely that the US/UK will announce the existence of aliens. From TFA:

    the gambling company is offering odds of 100/1 on either the US President or the serving British Prime Minister to announce the existence of intelligent extra-terrestrials within a year of the bet being placed.

  8. Re:Like state sponsored lotteries by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Informative

    "giving great odds on an impossible event"

    It's a tax on stupidity, and the money keeps rolling in!

  9. Re:Ya know, I've been thinking.... by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Funny

    2012, The Mayans knew it, they were waiting.

  10. Idle by Raenex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's with all the crap hitting the front page that should be on Idle? We've gotten stories about creative art in Minecraft, Asteriods on web pages, and now this. Slow news the past couple of days?

  11. Re:Only 100/1? by Teancum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You are presuming that the bookies here are going to have a loss if the aliens show up.

    Most places like this set the odds based upon the ratio of what others are placing for bets. There are certainly a great many willing to take this as a sucker's bet and likely put a whole bunch of money down even if the pay--back is just a few percentage points more on the return. That increases the odds because more people are signing up and expecting that the aliens aren't going to be coming.

    Let me be more clear here with a good example: Let's say a group of people put together $1000 saying that the aliens are going to show up. Another group puts together $100,000 that the aliens aren't going to come. That gives you the 100:1 betting ratio. The bookie (the "gaming company") isn't really putting anything into this other than holding the money and charging a small fee... say 1% of that money... from everybody placing a bet. So the gaming company keeps roughly $1000 for holding the money and the "winner" gets the combined pot of whatever is left proportionally for what they put into the pot.

    Only a stupid bookie gets caught up into his own game, even if it is a "sure bet". Perhaps some of them will put up their own money, but not often. They make the money from the betting process itself not from winning or losing a bet. If the aliens show up, it won't be the gaming company that will be pissed off. Those who thought they made a sucker's bet that turned out wrong.... those will be the guys who will be pissed.

    BTW, if a whole bunch of tin-foil hat nerds show up and throw a million bucks into the game, the 100:1 ratio won't be maintained. In that case, the ration will be 1:10 where those betting the aliens won't be coming will be getting $10 buck for every buck they put in. The gaming company collects a larger fee and it becomes something that would be attractive to start placing bets that the aliens won't be coming. In other words, the gaming company is going to be posting record profits even if the aliens come. The betting odds are only suggesting what other suckers are thinking of the situation.