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Berlin Wall 'Death Strip' Game Sparks Outrage In Germany

gzipped_tar writes "According to Spiegel Online, 'A new computer game where players assume the roles of border guards and shoot people trying to escape from communist East Germany has unleashed a storm of controversy in Germany. The game's creator says he wanted to teach young people about history, but he has been accused of glorifying violence. ... The name of the multi-player FPS game, 1,378 (kilometers), was inspired by the length of the border between East and West Germany. ... [Players] choose between the roles of the border guards or would-be escapees: the escapee only has one goal — to get over the wall, but the border guard has more options, and can shoot or capture the escapee. He can also swap sides and try to clamber over the border defenses himself.' By choosing to play the border guard and kill the escapee, the player would win an in-game medal from the government of East Germany. But then the guard would time-travel forward to the year 2000, where he would have to stand trial. Jens Stober, 23, designed the game as a media art student at the University of Design, Media and Arts in Karlsruhe. He said that his intention was to teach young people about German history."

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  1. You know what they say by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. However there is such a thing as tact.

    1. Re:You know what they say by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, sometimes you need to leave "tact" aside and actually teach history.

      This one is pretty clear - you can be in the role of attempting to escape, or see what it was like for the guards. TFA finally gets around to pointing out that players who choose to shoot and kill those who attempt escape face the consequences for their actions by having their character stand trial later for the crime. They also give the choice of killing or not killing.

      Too many people want to put an entire discussion into pure binary good-and-evil, or rewrite the history books in many cases. It doesn't help. And you can certainly make a real simulation of a tough situation without "glorifying" violence.

    2. Re:You know what they say by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      SPOILER

      The krauts lose, twice.

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    3. Re:You know what they say by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "By choosing to play the border guard and kill the escapee, the player would win an in-game medal from the government of East Germany. But then the guard would time-travel forward to the year 2000, where he would have to stand trial."

      Explain to me what part of this doesn't have tact. A lot of people will probably object to killing civilians, but the killing of innocent civilians IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE TIME AND PLACE IN WHICH THIS GAME IS SET. There isn't any way around this. Either you want to teach history with all the violence and bloodshed that it entails, or you want to censor history. There's no way to point out the atrocities of what Hitler's army did without pointing out the atrocities carried out by Hitler's army. Yes, it was gruesome, yes it was inhuman, yes it was violent. If you think that pointing this out is "tactless" then you're a moron.

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    4. Re:You know what they say by Kismet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some ideas are not effectively conveyed through the language of entertainment. Sometimes the mode of learning conveys a stronger message than the content of the lesson. Worse than rewriting history is to trivialize it. Occasionally we have good reason to rewrite history, such as when new evidence is presented; but only tyrants and fools frame history as a burlesque.

    5. Re:You know what they say by the_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are (fiction) films and books about Aushwitz. If those forms of entertainment are acceptable, why not a game?

    6. Re:You know what they say by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree, I think that a "game" is an extremely effective way of conveying the true horror of history. You can show people movies, you can have them to read books and sit while a teacher lectures, and they can find some way of going into dummy mode for it all.

      A videogame as media for this kind of message does not need to be fun to be effective. Actually if anything it would be extremely effective to have people play a game where they are basically horrified at their own actions and disgusted by continuing to "win". What better way to get the horror of this across than to make the player as uncomfortable with their actions as possible?

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    7. Re:You know what they say by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since A. it does not force you to kill the escapees and B. gives you a bad ending for doing so I don't think the courts would decide that it glorifies violence. Of course the tabloids can claim what they want, as can the politicians but only a court decision can result in an actual ban or punishment.

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    8. Re:You know what they say by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These are "art games", they aren't really games at all, more like simplified simulations. There's not necessarily a win condition in these games.

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  2. It should make you uncomfortable by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It wasn't handjobs and kittens you know. People died. People need to remember, even if it mean angering them.

    1. Re:It should make you uncomfortable by iYk6 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It wasn't handjobs and kittens you know.

      Actually, mixing those two things together would be pretty painful.

    2. Re:It should make you uncomfortable by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would caution against talking about kitty porn jokingly.

  3. History by santax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Give this fellow a medal. I am furious when I hear USA-kids tell me (Euro-fag) that without them I would speak German. When you ask these same kids how they feel about the Jap-camps the USA had in those days they look at you as if they see water burn. They haven't been thought that part of history. Same here in the Netherlands. We are being thought about Anne Frank. The famous Jewish girl. We aren't being told about that the Dutch had one of the highest degrees of telling on people who where hiding those Anne's... And there are many, many more examples of this. So give this guy a medal for putting history as it should be... the way it was.

    1. Re:History by viperblades · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To view history in its true light requires one to not draw us vs them comparisons. Each entity took the actions they took , to get the full lesson from history one must learn from each of them.

        The Japanese tortured and killed soldiers and did worse to citizens.

      The US did racial profiling of Japanese as a whole and helped fan the flames of hate against them. Then they put them in camps.

    2. Re:History by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a really common thought pattern and I really hate it.

      "We're not as bad as the worst thing I can think of, so we must be the best! Go number 1!"

    3. Re:History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can you imagine how they'd look at you if you showed them a picture of all of the happy Americans at a good ol' fashion lynching?

      Seriously, comparatively few Germans were involved in the Death Camps and the whole country has been punishing itself ever since.

      We had whole towns taking smiling pictures of themselves next to the hung and burned corpse of some unfortunate who used the wrong bathroom - and all we do is shrug and say to ourselves 'Oh those silly Southerners'. (Wait ... that picture was taken in Chicago, well, let's just ignore that, shall we?)

      Pisses me off.

    4. Re:History by baKanale · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, I was taught about the Japanese internment camps in high school. On a side note, I think I remember the teacher noting that it wouldn't have been as bad if the Germans and Italians were put in camps too, since it "wouldn't have been racist" or something like that. Years later I learned that they were put in camps, albeit in much smaller numbers. Interestingly enough, a number of German internment camps were kept open until 1948. This was because the camps mixed members of the German-American Bund (a pro-Nazi German-American culture organization) with non-Bund Germans, prompting fears that the camps were becoming Bund recruitment and training grounds. And so the camps were kept open out of fear of releasing a bunch of Nazis into the streets. Meanwhile, the Italians were let out in 1943, after the Italian surrender, and most of the Japanese were let out in early 1945, before the war was even over (with the exception of at least one camp with detainees from Peru that was open until some time in 1946).

  4. Re:But who is re-writing history here? by ewe2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then try googling east german border guard trial and learn something instead of lazy comments like that. Surprise surprise there have been prosecutions. Are we learning history yet?

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  5. Re:But who is re-writing history here? by galoise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only have there been prosecutions, but these cases are HUGE in modern criminal law academia, as they touched on fundamental questions of criminal responsibility and legality. They were fundamental in setting the bases of the contemporary discussion about human rights and the criminal persecution of state sponsored acts.

    In very simple terms, the problem in terms of criminal theory is that these people committed acts that were not typified as crimes under the legal systems that was in force when they were committed, so their prosecution _and conviction_ had a tremendous impact in the modern understanding of the legality principle, which is a fundamental concept in any criminal law system, and in criminal law theory.

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  6. Re:But who is re-writing history here? by Cylix · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not learning history until I find a copy of this game.

    Though I'm not sure how much it's going to reflect history when I set the escapee to god mode. Unless of course anyone has heard stories of an invulnerable air walking no clipping escape from east germany destroying guards left and right. I'm sure it probably happened sometime even if no one reported it.

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