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US Lab Models Galaxy Cluster Merger

astroengine writes "The scales are mind-boggling and the physics is cutting edge, so how do you go about simulating the collision of two galactic clusters? Using some of the most powerful computers in the world, researchers at Argonne National Laboratory, the Flash Center at the University of Chicago and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics have done just that."

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  1. Re:Does this qualify as a big bang? by lavagolemking · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Sound is the vibration of air molecules, so when you speak or drop something, it creates compression waves that travel through the air and vibrate your eardrum, which in turn creates waves in the fluid of your cochlea that stimulate hair cells connected to the acoustic nerve. Since outer space has (almost) no air, these waves have no medium on which to travel, and sound as we know it does not happen.

  2. Obviously cool ... by ProfM · · Score: 1, Informative

    but simulating galaxy collisions have been done before: http://www.galaxydynamics.org/

    However, new to the simulation is dark-matter calculations.

    Cool none-the-less.

    1. Re: Obviously cool ... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

      but simulating galaxy collisions have been done before: http://www.galaxydynamics.org/

      However, new to the simulation is dark-matter calculations.

      Note that this is clusters, not galaxies.

      Also, DM *has* been modelled in galactic collisions before. I don't know about clusters, though.

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    2. Re:Obviously cool ... by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is more than galaxies: this is about clusters of galaxies. Slightly bigger scale...

  3. Re:Does this qualify as a big bang? by lavagolemking · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except x-rays and gamma rays are light, being on the electromagnetic spectrum, and traveling at 299,792,458 m/s. Sound only travels around 340 m/s, depending on its medium. Also, if they were sound they wouldn't travel through space either.

  4. oh yes, dark energy by goffster · · Score: 1, Informative

    Let's bundle up all of the errors in our model of the universe
    and call it "dark energy". I say... "it is dark as ignorance".

  5. Re:Near one of those simulated stars . . . by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, galaxy collisions are thought to leave solar systems undisturbed, with only a handful of collisions. The reason is that the space between the stars are so large compared to their size. Gas merges and spiral arms are distorted, but a planet would be fine. This is also what is expected of the Andromeda galaxy merge.

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  6. Re:Science by graphical bedazzlement by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's because the Wall Street Journal, like so many others, confuses the meaning of the visualizations. They aren't results. Instead, they're great tools for finding what parts of the theory need a better test.

    As a contrived example, let's say that this visualization shows that a plume of dark matter going in a particular direction at a particular time. Comparing the visualization at that time to known colliding clusters in the real world might help show where to point our telescopes for evidence of dark matter. It helps to create the initial hypothesis, reducing the number (and therefore the cost) of failed experiments.

    Another use is for verification of a model. If we already know of several colliding clusters, this visualization should, be able to produce images that look very similar to those clusters. If not, then we know that there's something wrong with the model, and we can find ways to improve it.

    Tying that in with your example, we now know that the fluid model used wasn't perfect. It's time for more analysis, experiments, and refinements, eventually resulting in a more thorough knowledge of our universe.

    No scientist worth their salt will say that any model is absolutely perfect. In fact, the one you spoke of didn't. She said it was the "perfect model to do <a given job>," implying that it could do the job with the given parameters, and that deriving a completely new model wasn't necessary. The model itself is imperfect, but it fit the job perfectly. If the journalists presented the model as a prediction, that's the journalists' fault.

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