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Privacy Option Proposed To Control Behavioral Ads

techinsider sends this quote from Security Week: "A group of media and marketing trade associations, with support from the Council of Better Business Bureaus, today announced the details of a self-regulatory program designed to give consumers enhanced control over the collection and use of data regarding their Web viewing for online behavioral advertising purposes. The program promotes the use of the 'Advertising Option Icon' and accompanying language, to be displayed within or near online advertisements or on Web pages where data is collected and used for behavioral advertising. The Advertising Option Icon indicates a company's use of online behavioral advertising and adherence to the Principles guiding the program. Similar to a Web site’s privacy policy, consumers will be able to link to a clear disclosure statement regarding the company's online behavioral advertising data collection and use practices as well as an easy-to-use opt-out option."

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  1. I would take a wild guess that by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ones that let you opt our aren't the ones you need to worry most about...

    1. Re:I would take a wild guess that by prograde · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm reminded of the 'evil' bit.

    2. Re:I would take a wild guess that by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We learned it damn well that opting out means just "hey, there's someone who not only doesn't have ads blocked but also doesn't ignore them!". In other words, you can be damn sure other sites in that advertising network will try to advertise to you more aggressively.

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    3. Re:I would take a wild guess that by spazdor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's almost time that we start looking at and designing GUIs the way we look at firewalls. Which apps have a legitimate need to receive which UI events? Does an app really have a right to know where the mouse is, or even whether its window happens to be minimized at the moment?

      There are definitely some apps which would behave much better on my desktop if I could put a 'default drop all inbound' policy on them and just enable specific input events.

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  2. TRUSTe all over again? by mlts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Didn't we go through this before with the TRUSTe logo of showing if the site only used the information in-house versus sharing with others?

    This just seems like more feel good PR fluff, like the P3P stuff about a decade ago. We don't need more "assurances" about privacy. We need the data not to be collected in the first place. No Flash shared objects. No shared objects in Quicktime or other add-ons. No using tricks in a browser to "personalize/individualize" content.

    1. Re:TRUSTe all over again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      yes, and it the same attorney who has been doing this for years. he has been representing the DMA for decades. Every time there are proposed regulations they form a new org that does nothing. Like TRUSTe, complaints will be useless and they will never take action against their members (who pay the bills!)

    2. Re:TRUSTe all over again? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. I think if anyone wants information from me they should have to ask me for it. They should not be able to collect any more information on me anymore than I should be able to collect information on whoever is interested and using the data. And if that's an advertising firm with 200+ employees than I want the browsing habits of all 200+ employees. I'd probably settle for just the CEO. Just a simple exchange of information, right? No different than sharing our names. But like I said earlier, they should have to ask, and I should have the right to refuse. Simple as that. Why should browsing habits be considered any less private than how I put on my pants in the morning, yet if someone wanted to sit outside my window and take readings on that - I could get them arrested.

    3. Re:TRUSTe all over again? by zeropointburn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I do agree with you in spirit, there is a problem. You put your pants on in your own private property. You search Google by using a semi-public service. Instead of comparing it to how you put your pants on, compare it to someone watching and noting which parking spots you prefer at the supermarket or at work. Creepy but not illegal.
        Sometimes the information is used for statistical purposes (people from 9 county prefer the east side of the lot, 22 county prefers the west side). For targeted ads, it's more like having a free parking space downtown, provided you give your name, address, and license plate number. Then they take that and say 'hey, Bob likes to park downtown on Wednesdays, so I'll print up a few flyers with his name and leave them with the attendant to deliver when he gets there.' Then they take the next step and start charging the local shops, as well as exchanging info. Now they can say 'hey, Bob's probably coming back this Wednesday to stop in at the hardware store and the theatre, so I'll print up ads with his name on it for those stores.'
        As with many great ideas, this is very easy to misuse. If I work for the parking lot, I know Bob will be at the theatre for two hours once a week, so I know exactly when to ransack his car. If I've bought this behavioral information, now I know when Bob is away from home and where he is at certain times. Now it's getting pretty creepy. From an advertiser's perspective, I can harm them by buying the info and placing my own flyers under his window with better offers. If I'm an unscrupulous advertiser, now I know where bob lives and I can junk-mail and flyer him unto a psychotic break.

        To get away from that rampantly over-developed example, let's consider what could be done. If the major players were to offer a search engine that specifically advertised privacy, would you or I bother to use it? It would be a nice step but probably an empty gesture if it came to a court case. Some government org could try to regulate or legislate, make a mess of it, and make it both easier for scams and harder for legitimate advertisers. An industry group could form and try to self-regulate, which is what we see here. Individual users could use the tools available (like firefox and noscript), while the less tech-savvy get bombarded to make up the lost clicks. This already happens. What could possibly be done to stop the avalanche while still making it possible to run an ad-supported site? It is similar to the email spam problem in many ways, and while progress is made against both crapfests, it will never really go away.

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    4. Re:TRUSTe all over again? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There isn't really a problem. There isn't a realistic expectation of privacy in public mainly because by default it's a public place. There's other people there that can see you, so obviously there's not going to be any privacy.

      Online is a bit trickier, but it's largely private, people don't know where the data is going between them and the server, but those parties in the middle shouldn't be allowed to collect data beyond what's necessary to keep their infrastructure running. And definitely no personal information.

      Ads are more like stalking than they are like other people in a public space. While you don't have any right to privacy in a public area, it is still illegal to follow people around and make note of where they're going without consent. Generally it comes under stalking prohibitions.

    5. Re:TRUSTe all over again? by Chaonici · · Score: 3, Informative

      a search engine that specifically advertised privacy

      You mean like startpage, a search engine powered by Ixquick that doesn't record your IP address?

  3. Re:"Opt-out" indeed by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, I can always rely on marketers to honor the "opt-out" feature. And it's always so easy to find and use! This is an obvious fraud designed to avoid pending legislation of some sort. It's a dishonest attempt to appear to honor people's privacy. Only Opt-In truly honors my privacy. My data is MINE.

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  4. Re:Abuse by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, this will be abused by the most unscrupulous types of advertisers. They're unscrupulous for a reason.

    However, like the wildly popular Do Not Call registry and a voluntary program for direct mail, these do reduce the annoyance level a bit, because there are advertisers with scruples. The equivalent in the world of phone marketing is that the almost nightly "Do you want to change your long distance carrier?" calls have been replaced by maybe monthly calls from "Cardholder Services" and other obvious scam artists. While not perfect, it's definitely an improvement.

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  5. It's a trap! by __aagctu1952 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let me guess: The Advertising Option Icon will be a 1x1 transparent gif? :-)

  6. Re:I would imagine by catbutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't agree. They may be aware of how to block them, but maybe that isn't their choice -- if the site takes their wishes into consideration. Maybe they actually want to support the sites they view, in hopes that they sites will continue to care about having them as a visitor.

    I see, on this page, a notice that says "As our way of thanking you for your positive contributions to Slashdot, you are eligible to disable advertising." You know what I do in response? I let them show me ads. Because I like slashdot. I don't want it to start to become targeted at the audience that is not tech-savvy enough to know how to install an ad blocker -- I want it to be targeted at people like me.

  7. The right of self-determination over personal data by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Screw this voluntary self-regulation slap-on-the-wrist-at-worst bullshit.

    What we really need is legal backing for the right of self-determination over personal data.

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  8. Re:My way of fighting against advertisement: by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's how I fight against advertisement:

    I never buy anything that has been advertised to me, period.

    Advertising is not only annoying, but often it's rather immoral with it's use of "behavior modification" techniques.

    Everyone should boycott any product that's advertised in annoying ways.

    How do you buy food?

    The bakery in your local grocery store wafts the smell of fresh bread for a reason and the sugary cereals sitting on the lower shelves are decorated brightly so the little ones can pick them out more easily. Even at the less devious end of the scale, like a farmer's market, you still need to be advertised to to know the product exists, right?

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  9. Re:So... what? by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it's an attempt to head off legislation. By making a voluntary "self-policing" system, they get to point at it and say "See, we're doing something" in an attempt to block legislative efforts that would likely be more strict.

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  10. Re:No thanks. by zeropointburn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You must not use any sites that have been forced to host and embed ads because their readership blocks the advertisers. I would much rather be able to allow or deny ads not just by advertiser (doubleclick can burn in hell), but by site as well. Then I could block all the ads on various slashdot links while still allowing ads at sites I like. Wish someone would do that with adblock/noscript.

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  11. Re:Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    However, like the wildly popular Do Not Call registry and a voluntary program for direct mail, these do reduce the annoyance level a bit, because there are advertisers with scruples.

    I've more or less been forced to conclude that anybody still calling me here in Canada (we have slightly different rules) is either fraudulent, too stupid to look up the registry, or has been given an exemption (ie they're a charity or something). I even see a lot of bogus caller IDs -- a very high percentage of them actually.

    Being on the Do Not Call registry mean that any telemarketer who gets through (and they do) gets a very rude and abrupt "fuck the hell off". As a deterrent to calling me, the registry serves no purpose. Profanity seems to at least put them off their game.

    My problem is, there's so many fraudulent callers, I'm forced to conclude that they all are since I have no real way of knowing. So, every telemarketer who calls is presumed to be a lying sack of shit ... it makes the decision tree much shorter. They probably are.

  12. Re:Abuse by hedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed, here in the US, they've made exceptions for all the people that we really don't want to hear from, ie., politicians. During election season it's terrible. 7 or 8 calls a day, frequently from a robocaller. Charities aren't quite as bad, but still they call frequently enough as to be an annoyance.

  13. Easy to find opt out... by spinkham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A:I eventually had to go down to the cellar.
    P: That's the display department.
    A: I had to take a torch.
    P: The lights must have been out.
    A: So were the stairs.
    P: But you did find the plans^H^H^H^H^H opt out button?
    A: Yes, I found them. In a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory behind a door that said "Beware of the tiger".
    P: That's our display department.

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  14. Re:No thanks. by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they defaulted to opt-in tracking and refrained from those obnoxious flash ads, I'm sure there'd be quite a few more people that would be willing to watch the ads. But when ads purposely cover content randomly, crash the browser or track you without permission, that's pretty deserving of being blocked.