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British Teen Jailed Over Encryption Password

An anonymous reader writes "Oliver Drage, 19, of Liverpool has been convicted of 'failing to disclose an encryption key,' which is an offense under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 and as a result has been jailed for 16 weeks. Police seized his computer but could not get past the 50-character encrypted password that he refused to give up. And just to get it out of the way, obligatory XKCD."

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  1. Re:What is he hiding? by jcookeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the typical British response. The reason England is in the position it's in.

  2. Bleh by Chaonici · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oliver Drage, 19, of Liverpool, was arrested in May 2009 by police tackling child sexual exploitation.

    Well, I guess that makes it okay, then. After all, we can't allow people accused of child sexual exploitation to be free, can we?

    On a more serious note, this sucks.

    Det Sgt Neil Fowler, of Lancashire police, said: "Drage was previously of good character so the immediate custodial sentence handed down by the judge in this case shows just how seriously the courts take this kind of offence.

    "Computer systems are constantly advancing and the legislation used here was specifically brought in to deal with those who are using the internet to commit crime.

    "It sends a robust message out to those intent on trying to mask their online criminal activities that they will be taken before the courts with the ultimate sanction, as in this case, being a custodial sentence."

    I guess insisting on your privacy is taboo now. Even if you're a good kid, if you refuse to let the police into your private files just on principle, you're boned.

  3. Re:right to not incriminate yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, everyone has it everywhere. What varies from place to place is whether the government recognizes the right and refrains from violating it. This is true of all human rights.

  4. Re:right to not incriminate yourself? by Laxori666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe some cops see it that way... but videos such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik would have me believe that it's always a good idea to plead the 5th and refuse to say anything. It's related to the idea that refusing to consent to a search without a warrant shouldn't be allowed as evidence that a warrant is necessary ("If he has nothing to hide, then he wouldn't mind us looking around..."). What's the precedent where pleading the 5th has been considered a crime? I can see how refusing to talk would get cops to find something to charge you with and arrest you, since it's annoying for them, but when has it been used as the actual charge for an arrest?

  5. Can't photograph policemen on duty... by ScientiaPotentiaEst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... yet government cameras are everywhere, can't keep data private (nor, as I understand it - have a full right to remain silent), can't get DNA samples removed upon acquittal (despite EU court directive), proposals for Inland Revenue to take paychecks and forward to the wage earner what's left, proposal to tax graduates at a higher rate, etc., etc., etc.

    Of course, the UK is not unique in much of this. But what makes these examples so sad for me is how the UK was the foundation for much of what one might consider Western freedom. It fought the good fight against totalitarianism (let's not Godwin this). I don't think those who struggled back then would consider all this to be what they were struggling *for*.

    Will this constant erosion of freedom ever stop?

  6. Re:Different in the USA? by Korin43 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you're forgetting the commerce clause. Specifically the part that says "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!".

  7. Also as a practical matter by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if a judge ruled that wasn't you testifying against yourself, you could still protect yourself if you simply said "I don't recall that password." You may notice that not being able to recall is used a lot when under oath. The reason is that there really isn't any way to challenge it. We forget shit all the time (hell everyone seems to forget their passwords if my job is any indication). You can't prove someone hasn't. So they say "What is the password and the 5th amendment doesn't protect you," you say "Sorry, I can't recall that password."

    See this doesn't work in Britain because they made it a crime not to provide the password period. If you fail to provide it, regardless of the reason, that's illegal. It was a specific law made for passwords. So can't remember? You are boned. The US has no such similar law. Thus the only way they could get you is if you said you knew the password, but refused to give it up, and it was ruled that wasn't protected under the 5th.

    However if you look in to it you discover that while there's little case law, indeed it HAS been ruled that that the 5th prevents you from having to give up a password. As such that will probably stay, in general courts abide by the rulings of other courts of competent jurisdiction.

    1. Re:Also as a practical matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not quite the same thing, but Terry Childs found out that this isn't really a winning strategy. IIRC, Childs got four years.

      Not quite the same? Try completely different, it wasn't a password to decrypt his information and there was no fifth amendment issue. Irrelevant example.

  8. Re:What is he hiding? by TheReaperD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know it's bad when you need to post as AC just to even speak such 'blasphemy'. The additional effect that has happened is anyone defending an accused 'pedophile', for any reason, is assumed to be a pedophile themselves and attacked accordingly. We may actually be watching the end of the age of reason.

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  9. Re:Different in the USA? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason the courts see it this way is because of the distinction the legal system places on written vs oral evidence. Oral evidence is obvious; the person giving it may or may not be telling the truth. Written evidence however has a more privileged status. Once you've written something down, you can't "take it back". It's out there as physical evidence and can be used against you. This is why even the most gung ho characters will back up if you ask them to put things in writing. The written word is powerful rope with which to hang yourself.

    As far as most judges and lawyers are concerned, data on computers is simply another form of the written word, and so anything you've "written" there--encrypted or not--is legitimate evidence waiting to be used against you. In some sense they are in fact right. Personally, I view computer data by its very nature to be more abstract and far more transitory than the traditional written word, and so worthy of less... distinction as evidence in a court. But that said, it is a (quasi-)permanent record of events and that's what courts are interested in.

    Bottom line, the old rules still apply. If you don't want to reveal something, never, ever write it down. Encrypting it on your computer is just not good enough. If you don't want people reading it and aren't willing to take a risk, then you either need to delete the data or better yet not write it down in the first place. All that said, encryption is preferable to just leaving your papers lying around, but don't expect encryption alone to magically make your written words disappear.

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