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Solar Power On the White House

CartaNova writes "The Obama administration has announced plans to install solar panels and a solar hot water heater on the White House. The Carter administration had previously installed a 32-panel solar system at the White House — which was quietly removed during Reagan's tenure in office. Solar hot water and Photovoltaic firms had been campaigning on this issue for some time."

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  1. solar hot water by bhcompy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've had solar hot water at my family's home since the early 80s. Looks kind of weird, like giant lasagna pans on the roof, but I'll be damned if they don't work great and keep the gas bill down. Not sure how much it will help in Washington, but worth it in So Cal, especially with the govt kicking in a large tax credit

    1. Re:solar hot water by santax · · Score: 5, Informative

      Once I had a job making swimmingpool-installations. We also had the option of using solarpanels for warming the water. Worked great and the people that bought them had way lower operating costs of the pool. It's an investment at first but it's worth it. In Germany solarpower is huge btw. They have a law there that obligates the powercompanies to actually buy the leftover-green power from the citizens back to the network. Really a country-wide win-win.

    2. Re:solar hot water by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Informative

      For your information, solar subsidies in Germany have been a failure http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/mar/11/solar-power-germany-feed-in-tariff $1 billion per month cost to the German taxpayer and still barely produces 1% of total electricity used in Germany while actually causing a net loss of jobs. Same with Denmark, the "world leader in wind power" (thanks to subsidies by Danish taxpayers) with the highest electricity costs in Europe to show for it. I'm all for renewable energy when and if it starts making economic sense, but not if it means blowing taxpayers money on something just because it sounds green.

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  2. Re:lol by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably because that generation of solar panels sucked, efficiency-wise, and IIRC several models also lost a large percent of their functionality after a few years.

  3. Reagan did not remove PV panels AFAIK by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Informative

    He removed solar thermal panels, probably much less efficient than the evacuated tubes used today, when the roof was being repaired in 1986:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE2DF113BF937A1575BC0A960948260

    They were not reinstalled because of cost effectiveness issue. I also heard maintenance was a pain. They were donated to a university, IIRC.

    Bush also had solar panels installed:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/27/technology/how-it-works-from-a-white-house-roof-solar-power-proclaims-gains.html

    Many places are spinning this story politically no doubt.

    BTW, I think solar thermal and more insulation is a great, cost effective thing. PV, otoh, not so much yet.

  4. Re:lol by fremsley471 · · Score: 4, Informative
  5. Quietly my ass by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    "...— which was quietly removed during Reagan's tenure in office"

    I don't know what the OP is talking about. This was done very early on and was publicized widely, as a way of showing how the Reagan administration was forward looking and confident, as opposed to the defeatist Carter administration (or something like that - I could never really grasp Reagan's propaganda). What was done fairly quietly was the complete evisceration and cancelation of the Carter era alternative energy research program, which was just at the stage of showing promise. What was left unsaid was how pleased the oil companies were by all of this.

  6. Re:2012: President Palin removes solar panels by mbone · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't you feel stupid for posting that blindly partisan crap just a few seconds after this:

    He removed solar thermal panels, probably much less efficient than the evacuated tubes used today, when the roof was being repaired in 1986:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE2DF113BF937A1575BC0A960948260 [nytimes.com]

    I call BS on that. Those panels were removed to make a point, and a partisan point at that - killing alternative energy was one of Reagan's campaign points in 1980. He mentioned it in his frakking debate with Carter. Reagan described the entire alternative energy R&D program as a waste of money, killed it deader than a doornail, and this was part of that campaign. And, by the way, they were only
    "donated" to a college because an admin at the college campaigned to get them from whatever GSA warehouse they were stuck in.

  7. Re:lol by schwit1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reagan cut the budget or was it Congress? Last I read the power of the purse belongs to the Legislative branch.

  8. Re:How does it get any light? by Skweetis · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live in the Northeast, and I have powered my house with a solar panel for almost ten years (there is no municipal electrical service where I live). A sunny day isn't required for the panels to work; they work better in full sunlight, but work quite well with cloud cover. Mine will even charge my batteries slowly on a clear night when the moon is full. They actually work better in the winter -- even though the days are shorter, reflected light from snow cover results in greater ambient light and by extension, better charging. Does it snow much in DC?

    My solar panel is 18" x 48", IIRC, and I just have the one. It's an older model, and not as efficient as the new ones, but it meets all of my admittedly modest electrical needs and then some. This will work fine, assuming it's properly engineered.

  9. Re:How does it get any light? by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

    Does it snow much in DC?

    No. And when it does they shut the whole city down. I'm from Upstate NY -- we don't stop our normal routine for anything short of whiteout blizzard conditions. DC shuts down if they get more than a dusting. That's probably a good thing because none of the morons on the roadways south of the Mason-Dixon line have any clue how to drive in snow.

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  10. Re:Bright lights and warmth.... by Matt · · Score: 3, Informative

    yeah but it literally took more energy to *take them down* than it took to leave them there.

    Not when they had to take them down anyways for roof repairs anyways.

    I thought I could edit my previous comment after I found this article, but it seems I could only post another one.