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Lighthearted Facebook Friends Could Make You Join NAMBLA Group

mykos writes "The Facebook groups feature is causing bit of a stir with its users. TechCrunch editor Michael Arrington was allegedly added to a group about NAMBLA, and in turn, he added Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg. It's all in good (albeit tasteless) fun, except when a harmless joke goes awry and you find yourself being detained by customs when a friend decided to drag you into a mock terrorist group. Facebook representatives are aware of the matter, but are dismissive of it. A Facebook spokeswoman said, 'If you have a friend that is adding you to Groups you do not want to belong to, or they are behaving in a way that bothers you, you can tell them to stop doing it, block them or remove them as a friend — and they will no longer EVER have the ability to add you to any Group.' In somewhat related news, guillotines ensure you won't have dandruff on your shoulders anymore."

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  1. yet another reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    not to use facebook. This can have some SERIOUS consequences for people working in the defence industry where security is well known to have a humor level of 0.

  2. Yes, learn to grow up folks by Etcetera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If your "friends" refuse to respect your request, then they're not really your friends. If they're not really a friend, why are they a "friend"?

    Facebook to users: We give you tools with which to communicate with people you trust. If you don't trust them, don't allow them to use those tools with you.

    1. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by PatHMV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, no. I'm FB friends with my younger brothers. The youngest is in high school, and has the sense of humor one expects to find in bright, 16 year old boys... rather juvenile. I'm not going to de-friend my brother. I work at helping to teach him what's appropriate and what's inappropriate, but of course that's not always successful. If he were to add me to some group because of some childish whim of his, that doesn't mean he's not my friend... just that he's exercised some bad judgment.

      Do you immediately ditch all your friends the instant they do something against your wishes? If so, I doubt you have many left. Most of us have at least a few friends who on occasion act a bit like an asshole, but are our friends nevertheless.

      The REAL problem here is Facebook failing to let its users have control over what other users do to an aspect of our account. I can un-tag myself from pictures. I can turn off the ability of others to tag me in photos. Why can't I turn off the ability of other users to tag me in (i.e., make me a "member" of) groups? I should have complete control over all aspects of where my FB identity is linked in FB.

    2. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right. But lots of famous people will allow almost anyone to be their 'friend' so that they can hawk their latest book, CD, movie, coffee cup or whatever.

      So, for example, you could friend, say Barack Obama, and then start a group called, say 'Friends of Osama Bin Laden' or 'the Al Qaeda United Terror Front' or whatever and hilarity then ensures.

      Not that I'm suggesting anyone should do that.

    3. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by bytestorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The tool should allow me to disable tagging of me by others in groups, pictures, notes, thus becoming more versatile, allowing me to also communicate with acquaintances and the general public with tiered levels of access.

    4. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by qoncept · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amazing, isn't it? Your friends and family can affect your real life! And the only choice you have is to either deal with it or cut off all ties to them. Ever seen Black Sheep?

      The summary sure is rich. Removing someone from your Facebook friends is akin to cutting off your head. Brilliant.

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    5. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by twidarkling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      spoken like someone who's never had to explain to someone why someone was removed from a friends list. People get pretty damned pissy at things like that, especially family, or if they think they were just kidding around, and you're taking it too seriously. So yes, removing a friend from a social network can have a detrimental effect on having them as friends in real life.

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    6. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Removing someone from your Facebook friends is akin to cutting off your head. Brilliant.

      Uh, no.. remember those "A is to B" as "X is to Y" questions? Comparing A to X is irrelevant without factoring in B and Y. "2 is to 3" as "100 is to 150". Nobody's saying 2 is like 100.

      That said, I agree that removing someone from FB friends is not quite as disproportionate a response as the author seems to believe.

    7. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The REAL problem here is Facebook failing to let its users have control over what other users do to an aspect of our account.

      Funny, and my thought was that the problem is that you can be arrested or detained based on information gathered from a social network.

    8. Re:Yes, learn to grow up folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your "friends" refuse to respect your request, then they're not really your friends. If they're not really a friend, why are they a "friend"?

      Facebook to users: We give you tools with which to communicate with people you trust. If you don't trust them, don't allow them to use those tools with you.

      Do you trust your friends to:
      1) always be sober?
      2) share your sense of humour?
      3) use a secure unique password for their facebook account?
      4) be immune to phishing attempts?
      5) only have friends in their friends list that meet requirements 1-4?

      If all 5 points aren't met, the person should not be in your facebook friends list.

      Hmm... suddenly, nobody has any friends.

      Honestly, opt-out implicit trust of *accounts* is a BAD idea. Your friend and your friend's account are not one and the same.
      The concept would work great if there was a 1:1 mapping between person and account metadata. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

  3. Wait.. WHAT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have a friend that is adding you to Groups you do not want to belong to

    That's how it works?
    So, instead of inviting someone to join the group, you can just add them?

    Dumb fucks.

    1. Re:Wait.. WHAT? by Seriousity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      .... Dude, he made a simple mistake, just a normal human misunderstanding. and he admitted fault - this is commendable. Even if his original post was slightly inflammatory, it hardly warrants such a malicious outburst. You're either trolling or incredibly stressed/angry about something else, and venting on this poor guy - not cool.

      I think you should go outside, sit in the sun and try to find something to smile about - those facial muscles probably need a workout!

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    2. Re:Wait.. WHAT? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the only way to win is not to play. And as someone who has never had any social networking accounts of any kind, I'm feeling schadenfreude-nly victorious right about now. Also, a bit lonesome--but the alternative seems to be getting worse every day.

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  4. But it's so brilliant! by Draconi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I swear this is the standard response of any designer confronted, suddenly, with gaps in their thinking. "It can't be a serious problem, there is a workaround!"

  5. What? by moeluv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the hell would an option to do something like this even be added. I can see an invite system offering the ability to accept or deny an invite but being able to add someone automatically? Damn it was bad enough when my friends and I used to have junk mail wars and see who could get who on the worst mailing lists. This only ended when someone sent baby product catalogs to the wife of friend who was having trouble getting pregnant. I'm kind of surprised that guy survived. Perfect example of why this is a bad idea....someone always goes too far. Let's face it NAMBLA is pretty damn offensive.

  6. What kind of security is that? by jbarr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So "friends" can automatically add you to a group? That sounds like a HUGE security and privacy hole. I could certainly see friends "suggesting" groups to you to join, but to give them default ability to add you to a group is just WAY beyond belief.

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  7. Re:Non-issue by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because in the meantime if you haven't mastered Facebook's privacy settings a stranger might think you actually belong to those groups. Which isn't a problem until said stranger is in the position of offering or not offering you a job. Or deciding whether to do a more thorough investigation prior to a lawsuit or charges being filed.

  8. Re:Non-issue by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why worry about why? When you say it's a non issue, you're factually entirely wrong. It's an issue to them and their request is a relatively simple one ... allow a preference to disallow friends to make you join groups.

  9. Re:Non-issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, no need to fix the lock; you can totally call the cops on any burglar who gets into your home. Every time.

  10. even close friends i don't trust with everything by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you are offering the absurd choice: trust your friends with everything or have no friends

    no, i want friends, and i want to decide how much i trust each one. am i asking too much?

    your understanding of what friendship means is crude and useless

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  11. Re:Non-issue by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do have an account af Facebook but I really don't use it much. But if is is like anything round here, there may be lots of people who have lots of friends that they don't really know - I for sure know I have an awful lot of friends requests from people I've never seen. It is quite hard if you have a thousand of friends to track them all. So you go to sleep one night and the next morning you wake up to find out you've been added to a hate-speech, or a pro-taleban group, a neo-nazi group (which is actually a criminal offense in some countries) or something like that. It is an inherently flawed concept. Of course you may always argue you never actually joined that group, but we live in a world where appearances count more than evidence.

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  12. Re:Non-issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd have a different request. Remove the "feature" that lets friends automatically put you in groups and replace it with the standard invite scheme. If they really want they can add a preference (defaulting to off) to automatically accept these invites.

  13. This has to change by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook can't be this stupid.

    A friend should be able to SUGGEST that you join a group-- TO YOU so you make the decision.

    I wasn't aware this was even a feature of facebook. So there is no way to disable this short of unfriending the person? (and then it's still on my record as being part of that group anyway!)

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  14. Re:Non-issue by Nyder · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because in the meantime if you haven't mastered Facebook's privacy settings a stranger might think you actually belong to those groups. Which isn't a problem until said stranger is in the position of offering or not offering you a job. Or deciding whether to do a more thorough investigation prior to a lawsuit or charges being filed.

    Guess next time you shouldn't sign up on facebook.

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  15. Re:Non-issue by sinclair44 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which isn't a problem until said stranger is in the position of offering or not offering you a job.

    We all do dumb shit, including that recruiter. It's only a matter of time before the rest of the world catches up to realizing that just because you post status updates about being drunk from time to time does not mean that everyone else don't get drunk (and make some bad decisions while drunk) occasionally too.

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  16. Re:even close friends i don't trust with everythin by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bingo! Give that man a ceegar! Only YOU should have the power to join a group PERIOD. This sounds like the guys at FB simply refusing to admit a feature is a "Bad Idea" and ignoring their users. I personally hope with all the asshattery FB has been pulling they will go the way of MySpace and another will come along that actually listens to their users. Sadly there are simply too many out there that use FB as an accurate source of info, even though it makes wikipedia look like encyclopedia britannica.

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  17. Re:Non-issue by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great idea, until someone else registers a profile using your name and an old photo of you.

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  18. Re:Thanks, another reason not to sign up by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I decided to be uncool and stay out of Facebook.

    That's okay, your friends* created an account for you.

    * If you don't have any friends, read "enemies".

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