Slashdot Mirror


What Tech Should Be In a Fifth-Grade Classroom?

theodp writes "While going about my day,' writes Slate's Linda Perlstein, 'I sometimes engage in a mental exercise I call the Laura Ingalls Test. What would Laura Ingalls, prairie girl, make of this freeway interchange? This Target? This cell phone? Some modern institutions would probably be unrecognizable at first glance to a visitor from the 19th century: a hospital, an Apple store, a yoga studio. But take Laura Ingalls to the nearest fifth-grade classroom, and she wouldn't hesitate to say, "Oh! A school!"' Very little about the American classroom has changed since Laura Ingalls sat in one more than a century ago, laments Perlstein, echoing a similar rant against old-school schooling by SAS CEO Jim Goodnight. Slate has launched a crowdsourcing project on the 21st-century classroom, asking readers to design a fifth-grade classroom that takes advantage of all that we have learned since Laura Ingalls' day about teaching, learning, and technology."

14 of 325 comments (clear)

  1. all kinds of distractions by Potor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Computers, iPads, iPhones, cell phones, iPods, you name it. Anything that gets in the way of learning stuff.

    We want to make this the most distracted, empty-headed generation ever, don't we?

  2. And technology? by Ironsides · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First thing, ban calculators. They aren't necessary before needing to deal with sines and cosines.

    --
    Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
    1. Re:And technology? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. What we need is less technology in Elementary School. Not more. Science and Technology are not the same thing. Being able to play Farmville on your iPhone doesn't mean you understand physics. (Or farming.) Kids need to learn how to do math without calculators, as you say, read books, and do as much as they can mentally, on their own, without turning the task over to an electronic device.

      --
      If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
    2. Re:And technology? by Reaperducer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Only, instead of doing that in a school which forces you to take a variety of useless subjects that have nothing to do with your desired profession, do it while homeschooling

      Your notion only works if you want to have a world filled with firemen, ballerinas, and astronauts. What kids want to be in fifth grade has zero relation to what they will eventually become. No fifth grader ever said, "I want to be a middle manager," but we need plenty of those.

      And if we prep kids for their careers when they're in grade school, then new professions will never be invented. Fifth graders in the 1940's didn't dream of becoming COBOL programmers in the 1960's.

      --
      -- I'm old enough to have lived through six different meanings of the word "hacker."
    3. Re:And technology? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What we need is less technology in Elementary School.

      As a mathematician, I would unquestionably back this assertion and would indeed extend it into the later years of Secondary school. My points mostly apply to mathematics, but I suspect they extend beyond it.

      The most important piece of technology for a mathematics educator is a blackboard. The most importance piece of high-tech equipment is a sliding blackboard. For students, their most important tools are paper, pencils, and a ruler and compass. This is all the equipment that should ever be used in mathematics education.

      Now, technology can be useful, but in elementary instruction it is more of a hindrance than a help. Remember, your ultimate objective is to teach students completely new methods and concepts. This is hard enough as it is without having to introduce them to an entire suite of new technology on top of everything else--often obsolete, inefficient, or unhelpful examples of technology at that.

      The first piece of high tech equipment students should be introduced to is a digital calculator for the calculation of trignometric functions and the rest of the elementary functions. These should most certainly NOT be allowed in the primary school cycle, and when introduced should be confined only to the evaluation of such non rational results. In essence, they should only be used as a more modern replacement for the old slide rules and log tables. Nothing more.

      A second level mathematics student should preferably never even see a single computer in the classroom before they enter third level education. The only exception to this is for second level computer programming courses, and these should never be made a part of any mathematics curriculum whatsoever. However, once in third level education, computers and computer programming must be introduced as a fundamental tool of modern mathematics; I quote the mathematician Gian-Carlo Rota's who said that "The future belongs to the computer-literate-squared." But the best time to introduce most students to the fundamentals of computers is in third level, after the more fundamental skills in other areas have been mastered.

      Make no mistake, we have modern technology suitable for the classroom. We have bigger, cheaper black and white boards. We have better, cheaper pens and copy books for students. Books are numerous and cheaper, or at least they should be. These are the important advancements we have made and which we should allow to impact our schools. Trying to go beyond these basic tools has been a recipe for disaster wherever it has been tried--excepting the handsome profits reaped by the companies who supplied these technologies.

      Computers and other high tech equipment should be banned outright from all primary schools. Their presence in secondary schools should be limited to select, computer centric subjects like programming and typewriting. Tech should only be introduced in the senior cycle of second level education and even then should never be used in most subjects. Once in University, technology can be presented--as it always has been--but before that I want students to be able to add fractions, solve quadratic equations, be familiar with trigonometry, and to know what a graph is. If western mathematics educations keeps going the way its going, that type of student is going to disappear from third level institutions, and no amount of computers is going to be able to fix the problem.

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    4. Re:And technology? by colinrichardday · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fifth graders in the 1940's didn't dream of becoming COBOL programmers in the 1960's.

      Of course not, they had nightmares about it.

  3. whats wrong with schools won't be fixed with tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Schools are currently employed primarily to create football teams and consumers. Policy is the problem and technology will mostly likely be used to further that policy.

  4. Whiteboard. Classic One. by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing has managed to replace the blackboard (and its more modern equivalent the whiteboard). I have some first hand observations from junior changing 3 schools in 3 years. The lower the tech in the classroom - the better the teaching.

    To put it in other terms - if the kids need an interactive soundtrack for slideware that can be bought from amazon for a fraction of the cost of a teacher.

    Further on this from the perspective of teaching older students and explaining to adults.

    I have met only a handful of people who can have a laptop open on their desk in front of them and at the same time pay full attention to something complex happening on the whiteboard. I have met hundreds of people who have no problem dividing their attention between handwritten notes and explanation on the board. I would not be surprised if it is something related to motor control and short term memory similar to the well known phenomenon of "death by powerpoint".

    --
    Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
    http://www.sigsegv.cx/
  5. If it ain't broke... by pedantic+bore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Classrooms today that are equipped with computers, smartboards, and whatnot don't seem to be doing much better in terms of basic literacy and reasoning than schools equipped with little more than slates and chalk a hundred years ago.

    I'm not saying that there isn't something positive that we could do with more tech in the classroom, but the current tech doesn't seem to be helping all that much. Tech for the sake of tech is just another expense.

    --
    Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
  6. None! by ogrizzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or at least, nothing fancier than a microscope or an electronic keyboard. Definitively no computing equipment.

  7. Exactly. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the goal? To improve the education process or to make sure that Laura Ingalls cannot recognize it as a school?

    What would she recognize? The blackboard? The alphabet and numbers in a row at the top of the front wall? A lot of child-sized desks and one or two adult-sized desks?

    Until we develop direct neural input technology and start pumping information straight into the brains of the students, the classroom will always look like a classroom.

    So stop worrying about how it LOOKS. Form follows function.

    If you want to improve it, look at the various experimental schools that have higher graduation rates and where the students score higher than the average.

  8. As little as possible by shadowbearer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Teach them how to think for themselves first.

    SB

    --
    It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
  9. So happy to be seeing the responses here... by Pollux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been a school teacher now for seven years, going on my eighth. Not only am I a math teacher, but I'm also the technology coordinator at our small rural school. And as I'm reading through the posts, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one here who believes that technology is no savior to the classroom.

    I was about to respond with my own post, but I'd rather reply to the idea started with the parent comment:

    What's the goal? To improve the education process or to make sure that Laura Ingalls cannot recognize it as a school?

    This should be the ultimate goal of teachers everywhere, to improve the education process. And if computers do exactly that, then let's put them in the hands of every student. But do computers really do that? If so, where's the proof? I've seen computers in the classroom now for fifteen years, and I was there with them in the classroom for four of them. If they were so fantastic, wouldn't we be seeing positive gains by now?

    Sadly, there is little proof. Technology has changed so rapidly, there has been little opportunity to draw a positive or negative conclusion about a particular technology before society labels it old-school. (In fact, few thorough studies have actually been done on educational technology. There is a really good article here that discusses this further.)

    So, to anyone who says that classrooms haven't changed in 100 years, I say to them this: has the human brain changed in the last 100 years? What's different about the way the brain learns now as opposed to 100 years ago? As a third grade teacher at my school once said, "It's amazing how much a child can learn when you hand them a popsicle stick dipped in molasses." I say stick to the field trips, the classroom projects, the crayons, and the Elmer's glue. Let a child experience our world, rather than just view it through a monitor.

  10. Re:Most important point in TFA by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You missed the point and actually argued for the parent poster. It isn't a 'space' problem, it is a 'people' problem.