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Technological Genius Is Timeliness, Not Inspiration

Hugh Pickens writes "Ezra Klein has an interesting essay in the Washington Post about 'simultaneous invention,' where technology advances to the point that the next step is obvious to multiple people at once, and so they all push forward with the same or similar inventions. While the natural capabilities of human beings don't change much from year to year, their environments do, and so does the technology and store of knowledge they can access. 'The idea of the lone genius who has the eureka moment where they suddenly get a great idea that changes the world is not just the exception,' says Steven Johnson, author of Where Good Ideas Come From: The Natural History of Innovation, 'but almost nonexistent.' Consider Adam Goldberg's CU Community, created in 2003 at Columbia University, a social network that launched first and had cooler features than Facebook, with options for pictures and integrated blogging software. Klein writes, 'Zuckerberg's dominance can be attributed partly to the clean interface of his site, partly to the cachet of the Harvard name and partly to luck. But the difference between Mark Zuckerberg and Adam Goldberg was very small, while the difference between what Mark Zuckerberg could do and what the smartest college kid in 1999 could do was huge. It was the commons supporting them both that really mattered.'"

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  1. Obvious corollary by grantek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is one of the reasons software patents are stupid, why patent trolls exist, and why the patent system in general needs cutting down.

    1. Re:Obvious corollary by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Patent trolls exist because we went from owning implementations to owning ideas. What if Thomas Edison went through 10,000 different materials for filaments just to find the right one and then ran against some patent troll who said "Give me $$$, I own the idea of a filament!!!" Most ideas aren't very useful when run up against initial reality, it's the work done to overcome those obstacles that is useful.

      The patent office tries to act almost like a branch of zoology, except instead of classifying and categorizing animals, they do it with ideas. And they just aren't very good at it and the government never will be with centralized planning of this sort. IMO, the more advanced society gets, the more obvious the 18th/19th century character of the patent office becomes and that it's not sustainable. It may be like keeping the booster rockets attached to the shuttle of society, long after it cease helping us get off the ground.

    2. Re:Obvious corollary by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is one of the reasons software patents are stupid, why patent trolls exist, and why the patent system in general needs cutting down.

      Your point is valid but I think it transcends software patents. Some patents, inventions or discoveries are simply a product of timing as the article suggests, and they aren't limited to software patents, or even patents.

      A classic example would be the two of the biggest game changers in thinking, and both were co-discovered. Of all the times in history for these ideas to come about, they came about simultaneously from multiple sources:

      Calculus: Leibniz and Newton
      Evolution: Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace

      Also...
      Using laser pointers to amuse cats: Patent 5443036 and anyone who has ever seen a cat and laser pointer

    3. Re:Obvious corollary by grantek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say that's what copyright is for. If you spend thousands of coder-hours implementing 1-click purchasing on Amazon, that doesn't mean it's inherently patentable, because anyone that looks at it from the outside can throw the coder-hours themselves at it without needing any special research. They shouldn't be allowed to just come along and steal the codebase, and that's where copyright protects you.

    4. Re:Obvious corollary by phantomcircuit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dear god that is an actual patent...

    5. Re:Obvious corollary by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's serious. Just look at Douglas Engelbart and his team. Google for Mother of all Demos.

      He came up with all that but 20+ years too soon, and some of his ideas that aren't widely implemented yet are probably still valid too.

      Despite him being too early, his work led to stuff in Xerox PARC, which led to Apple's GUI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface

      So the patent system rewards those who come up with stuff like "one click" and trolls, but the real innovators often won't get rewarded because by the time the masses "get it", your patent has expired.

      To me "Prizes for Innovation" would work better for that. Since hindsight is better than an overworked patent examiner figuring stuff out from vague descriptions. Could have two categories of prizes one selected by the Public, and one by "Experts in the Field".

      Inventing the wheel and a chariot before figuring out how to tame a horse or cow, wouldn't get you as far ;). But when someone else finally tames a horse, a horse drawn cart/chariot might be more obvious to them.

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    6. Re:Obvious corollary by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To me "Prizes for Innovation" would work better for that.

      Or here's an idea: if you come up with a great idea, you work with a company to manufacture and sell it (or do it yourself) and make a lot of money until someone comes out with an improvement.

      I've always found it interesting that the same people who believe in "free markets" also believe in anti-competitive tools like patents. Does anyone really believe that without the protection of patents there wouldn't be any new products or ideas?

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    7. Re:Obvious corollary by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Calculus: Leibniz and Newton

      Evolution: Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace

      We have had thousands of game-changing inventions in the history of mankind. What percentage of those were arrived at by multiple inventors, independently, and at roughly the same time? Champions of the belief presented by the article commonly bring up the "classic examples" of Leibniz/Newton, Darwin/Wallace, and Marconi/Tesla. Well, how many non-classic examples are there? Seriously, even if there were a hundred more examples, in the face of all the major scientific/philosophical/mathematical discoveries ever made in every field that would still seem statistically insignificant. I mean, c'mon guys, how about a little critical thinking and perspective here...

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    8. Re:Obvious corollary by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Does anyone really believe that without the protection of patents there wouldn't be any new products or ideas?"

      But... without patents, the person who originally came up with the idea wouldn't be able to make shitty products until their patent expires! They might actually have to... make a quality product that outdoes their competitors! We can't have that.

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    9. Re:Obvious corollary by zQuo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes, implementations are where the hard work is. The idea is worth very little (unless one patents the idea and tries to sue everyone who wants to make something).

      Software copyright already gives plenty of protection and it protects only implementations of an idea. The Phoenix BIOS that overthrew IBM's monopoly of the PC and allowed PC clones to exist (to everyone's benefit) had to surmount copyright protections only, and Phoenix had to spend *a lot* of money to surmount copyright. This is from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_BIOS

      With the success of the IBM PC in 1983, Phoenix decided to provide an IBM PC compatible ROM BIOS to the PC market. A licensable ROM BIOS would allow clone PC manufacturers to run the same applications, and even the MS-DOS that was being used by IBM. However, to do this Phoenix needed a strategy for defense against IBM copyright infringement lawsuits. IBM would claim that the Phoenix programmers had copied parts of the IBM BIOS code published by IBM in its Technical Reference manuals.[citation needed] Due to the nature of low-level programming two well-written pieces of code that perform the same function there will inevitably be some degree of similarity. As such it would be impossible for Phoenix to defend itself on the grounds that no part of its BIOS matched IBM's. Phoenix developed a "clean room" technique that isolated the engineers who had been contaminated by reading the IBM source listings in the IBM Technical Reference Manuals. The contaminated engineers wrote specifications for the BIOS APIs and provided the specifications to "clean" engineers who had not been exposed to IBM BIOS source code. Those "clean" engineers developed code from scratch to mimic the BIOS APIs. This technique provided Phoenix with a defensibly non-infringing IBM PC-compatible ROM BIOS. Because the programmers who wrote the Phoenix code had never read IBM's reference manuals, nothing they wrote could have been copied from IBM's code, no matter how closely the two matched.[4] The first Phoenix PC ROM BIOS was introduced in May, 1984, and helped fuel the growth in the PC industry.

      If we had software patents back then, all the new PC's Macs, Amigas, etc. , almost any device that used BIOS-like ideas would have been stillborn; we'd just have really awful clunky PC's made by IBM for a really long time. Implementations of software are already protected by copyright. Software patents patent the idea; ideas are easy to come by. They prevent competing implementations of an idea, where the real hard work is. A software patent will prevent *any* implementation of the idea, if the patent holder is lazy

    10. Re:Obvious corollary by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Calculus: Leibniz and Newton

      Evolution: Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace

      We have had thousands of game-changing inventions in the history of mankind. What percentage of those were arrived at by multiple inventors, independently, and at roughly the same time? Champions of the belief presented by the article commonly bring up the "classic examples" of Leibniz/Newton, Darwin/Wallace, and Marconi/Tesla. Well, how many non-classic examples are there? Seriously, even if there were a hundred more examples, in the face of all the major scientific/philosophical/mathematical discoveries ever made in every field that would still seem statistically insignificant. I mean, c'mon guys, how about a little critical thinking and perspective here...

      Here's a quote straight from Wikipedia on RADAR:

      "In the 1934–1939 period, eight nations developed, independently and in great secrecy, systems of this type: the United States, Great Britain, Germany, the USSR, Japan, the Netherlands, France, and Italy."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radar

      Eight nations? Independently and in secrecy! The individuals who independently created RADAR showed some critical thinking but the fact that everything up to that point both physics, technology and drive really allowed them to succeed.

      Think about what would happen if you were transported back in time to the 1600's. What could you really do with all the knowledge you have about today?

    11. Re:Obvious corollary by Sique · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nothing. No one needs your steam engine. No one is able to manufacture an internal combustion machine or even refine the gasoline for it. No one has any use for electricity. There is not enough copper being mined to make for a decent wiring. You are missing the whole infrastructure to create large amounts of steel. No one has an idea how to process iron into steel in an industrial process (again a game changing invention with at least two inventors: Henry Bessemer and William Kelly), and the process in a forge with remelting and reforging iron until it is malleable is slow and expensive.

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    12. Re:Obvious corollary by J+Mack+Daddy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Patent should have been rejected. It's to amuse the human. The cat is definitely not amused.

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    13. Re:Obvious corollary by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I googled it too... my god.

      I thought the patent system had some worth... had something redeeming quality.... until I read that.

      Primary Examiner:Manahan, Todd E. should be fired, then tarred and feathered.

      "A method for inducing cats to exercise consists of directing a beam of invisible light produced by a hand-held laser apparatus onto the floor or wall or other opaque surface in the vicinity of the cat, then moving the laser so as to cause the bright pattern of light to move in an irregular way fascinating to cats, and to any other animal with a chase instinct. "

      And no. people love to claim that the abstract isn't a big deal, that the claims section has the real material but no. just no.

      Claims:What is claimed is:

      1. A method of inducing aerobic exercise in an unrestrained cat comprising the steps of:
      (a) directing an intense coherent beam of invisible light produced by a hand-held laser apparatus to produce a bright highly-focused pattern of light at the intersection of the beam and an opaque surface, said pattern being of visual interest to a cat; and

      (b) selectively redirecting said beam out of the cat's immediate reach to induce said cat to run and chase said beam and pattern of light around an exercise area.

      2. The method of claim 1 wherein said bright pattern of light is small in area relative to a paw of the cat.

      3. The method of claim 1 wherein said beam remains invisible between said laser and said opaque surface until impinging on said opaque surface.

      4. The method of claim 1 wherein step (b) includes sweeping said beam at an angular speed to cause said pattern to move along said opaque surface at a speed in the range of five to twenty-five feet per second.

      Description:BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

      1. Technical Field

      The present invention relates to recreational and amusement devices for domestic animals and, more particularly, to a method for exercising and entertaining cats.

      2. Discussion of the Prior Art

      Cats are not characteristically disposed toward voluntary aerobic exercise. It becomes the burden of the cat owner to create situations of sufficient interest to the feline to induce even short-lived and modest exertion for the health and well-being of the pet. Cats are, however, fascinated by light and enthralled by unpredictable jumpy movements, as for instance, by the bobbing end of a piece of hand-held string or yarn, or a ball rolling and bouncing across a floor. Intense sunlight reflected from a mirror or focused through a prism, if the room is sufficiently dark, will, when moved irregularly, cause even the more sedentary of cats to scamper after the lighted image in an amusing and therapeutic game of "cat and mouse." The disruption of having to darken a room to stage a cat workout and the uncertainty of collecting a convenient sunbeam in a lens or mirror render these approaches to establishing a regular life-enhancing cat exercise routine inconvenient at best.

      SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

      Accordingly, it is an object of the present invention to provide an improved method of exercising a cat in normal day and night lighting environments.

      It is a further object of the present invention to provide a method of providing amusing, entertaining and healthy exercise for a cat.

      It is yet another object of the present invention to teach a method of exercising a cat effortlessly at any time.

      In accordance with the present invention, a light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation (laser) device in a small hand-held configuration is used to project and move a bright pattern of light around a room to amuse and exercise a cat.

      The method is effective, simple, convenient and inexpensive to practice and provides healthy exercise for the cat and amusement and entertainment for both the cat and the owner.

      These and other objects, features and advantages of the present invention will become apparent from the following description and accompanying drawings of one specific embo

    14. Re:Obvious corollary by delinear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is, what if fifty others were also putting in just as much effort experimenting with filaments? A system that can render all your hard work redundant just because some other guy was the first to cross the finish line (note, first, that doesn't even mean his methods are necessarily the best if his patent is broad enough to cover your work) might be just as stifling to innovation as one where nobody has any protection.

    15. Re:Obvious corollary by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Patent trolls exist because we went from owning implementations to owning ideas.

      No, you neither own an idea or an implimentation. You have a 20 year monopoly on it, not ownership. If you own something you own it until you sell it, give it away, or it gets stolen.

    16. Re:Obvious corollary by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well... you could improve manufacture of glass and/or ceramics, and totally own the market. You would know how silk is made and facilitate smuggling of the right insects. Same for growing spices in various parts of the world. Timekeeping technology, even just the mechanical kind, would make marine navigation much more accurate and safe. Then there are all sorts of medical stuff; even just the idea of disinfection and microorganisms would be a big breakthrough back then. And do not forget military technologies; all sorts of little improvements here and there, together with the money brought to your city-state by your inventions applied to production of luxury goods, could turn your area into a local economic/military hegemon.

  2. Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by Palestrina · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The network effect has more to do with being in the right place at the right time than on the technical merits of the application. A much better solution that occurred 1 year earlier or 1 year later would have failed in the market. Facebook was "good enough" and that is all that was needed.

    But let's not confuse this with innovation.

    1. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know how in Asimov's Foundation one person planned what would happen over future generations? How he solved mathematically the equations of society? It was great science fiction.

      There are people who actually believe that is possible. People like Niklas Luhmann are trying to figure out how to arrange such a society. BF Skinner was also a man who thought along those lines.

      Now, to these people, technological advances are inevitable; based on sheer probability and mathematics, the wheel was 'destined' to be invented when it did, and so was Facebook. The actual geniuses themselves don't matter, since they would be replaced by another if they weren't around. It is in fact necessary for this to be so, at least to a certain degree, or their entire theory fall apart (how can you otherwise predict the arrival of a genius, a singular event?) The article is basing itself on this line of thought.

      The problem I see with it is that genius actually does matter. If we all sit down and wait for new inventions because 'surely someone will do it' then no one will do it. A single person can change the course of a nation, and it is impossible to predict individual people (if a single person didn't matter, why would the Chinese government care so much about Liu XiaoBao?)

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    2. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem I see with it is that genius actually does matter. If we all sit down and wait for new inventions because 'surely someone will do it' then no one will do it. A single person can change the course of a nation, and it is impossible to predict individual people

      I think you may misunderstand. The argument is that actual genius doesn't really exist. The argument is that the specific individual who comes up with the "invention" is irrelevant. The argument is that there is no stunning ray of sheer brainpower that makes such an "invention" possible - it is, instead, inevitable.

      Imagine, if you will, a train barreling down the tracks towards a helpless puppy. When the train is 1,000 miles away from the puppy, nobody really knows what is going to happen. You can't see the big picture. The folks looking at the puppy don't see the train, and the folks looking at the train can't see the puppy. If somebody were to shout out "oh no, the puppy's gonna get squished!" at that moment in time, it would be genius. But as the train gets closer and closer to the puppy, it becomes more and more obvious. And eventually it is almost impossible not to realize that the puppy is going to be run over.

      This is the argument. As technology rolls forward, it eventually becomes almost impossible not to invent something new.

      You get enough computers chattering away with each-other... Enough people on the web... Enough folks trying to share photos and connect with other people... Cheap enough server infrastructure.. Ample enough bandwidth... Powerful enough databases... And eventually somebody is bound to say "Hey, why don't we throw together some kind of web page where people can keep in touch with each-other and share photos and stuff?"

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    3. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The beauty of free markets and capitalism (regardless of their flaws) is that profit drives invention. The profit motive will bring out the geniuses to do their thing. Enough geniuses working on the same problem is bound to show results.

      In a centrally planned economy, the who is very important. All the central planners know is that they have some vague goal of a type of technology, and it's up to them to make sure the correct person is in place to do create it.

      So I would in fact imagine that in communist China, and individual can be very important, while the opposite is true in a capitalist system. That seems to go contrary to conventional wisdom where in freer countries there is more value on the individual while communist nations focus on the whole, but as I ramble on here, that seems to make sense.

      Of course, I could be wrong.

    4. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by j-beda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may be a "noticeable skill" but it is not a *unique* skill. Perhaps a "genius" is required, but it is clear that any one particular genius is not necessary. Had Zuckerberg gotten hit by a buss back in the day, someone else would have put together the "winning formula" for this particular application.

    5. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If we all sit down and wait for new inventions because 'surely someone will do it' then no one will do it

      Wrong. We can sit and wait all day, but some portion of the human population will still do it, because some portion isn't content to sit and wait.

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    6. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe, rather, in a free market, the individual finds his own way to where he can be useful to create what he can.

      Whereas in a planned economy, the planners must find the person who can make it happen. Like finding a needle in a haystack.

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    7. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually the whole story is crap, typical mass media drivel aimed at the worship of the rich and greedy. Truth is, putting together the right team and getting the right support is the real difference between winning and losing. Forget all the crap about worship of the corporate leader driven by public relations ass hats.

      The staff counts first, the engineers, the accountants, the coders, the marketing and sales team. Put together the wrong team and your product dies, end of story, time to cut the crap, the illusion of the CEO that builds buildings (they hire workers who build buildings), the CEO who writes top selling software (they hire coders that write it and sales staff who sell it), the CEO who creates great hardware (nowadays that contract it out to ODM other device manufacturers, who in turn hire the engineers and industrial designers and of course all the factory staff who actually make the product). Truth is CEOs don't even hire the staff other employees do that.

      So the really truly outstanding skill of a modern CEO, taking credit for other peoples work and blaming them those people for the CEO's mistakes. The skill they do this with will define how much the profit when the company goes public, generally speaking the skills of the manipulative psychopath count far more than the intellect of a genius (geniuses unlike Saturday cartoons are never motivated by power and greed, theirs goals are intellectual comes with brain make up). Psychopaths seem really smart but it simply is because they spend nearly every waking moment plotting, scheming, lying and manipulating, it is their brain make up.

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    8. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You think the concept of invention for profit is new?

    9. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's an insidious fallacy. There is no 'forward' with technology, it's not like a train that follows the tracks. Technology just evolves in some direction for a while, then switches to another direction, etc. Nobody knows in which direction it goes, and there are plenty of directions that are missed out on and will never be followed. All that anyone can say is that among all the technologies that will be found along the path of our civilization, many of the technologies have relatives found earlier in time.

      Direction is irrelevant to the discussion. Any given technology has a pile of prerequisites. As those prerequisites are met, we move closer to having the ability to discover/implement that technology. You can call this "forward" if you want... Or "up", "down", "backwards", "hubwise", or whatever the hell you want. You're still getting closer to having everything you need to make whatever it is we're talking about.

      Now, if you always call 'forward' whatever direction technology's headed in, then sure, progress looks like it's inevitable. But then you have problems explaining how some civilizations don't seem to go 'forward' in the same direction as us. For example, many South American civilizations did NOT invent the wheel.

      Obviously some prerequisite was not met.

      This isn't some MMOG or RPG where you can look at the tech tree and check things off. We're all just feeling around in the dark. But there's some piece of the puzzle that they didn't have.

      You also have problems explaining why 'better' technologies sometimes fail, as when the direction switches but you still think the previous direction will continue forever. For example, in VHS vs Betamax the latter was further along the expected direction.

      I've never really understood how a tape that couldn't hold an entire feature-length film was supposed to be superior to one that could... I mean, it might have looked prettier and worked better... But if you can't fit a movie on there, who cares?

      Einstein said, make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. It's tempting to think of technological evolution as a simple straight line like a train track, but it causes more problems than it solves. It's better to think in terms of an undirected evolutionary model.

      The tracks were a metaphor, nothing more. Don't worry, no puppies were harmed in the making of this post.

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    10. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by Ephemeriis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the argument of someone who isn't a genius to claim that genius does not exist, or is really nothing special. Anyone can throw a football, or bang on a drum. Doing it with the practice and timing to actually entertain, or to reliably reach a wide receiver, or to achieve what Zuckerberg with the interface that people _accepted_ takes some noticeable skill.

      Skill != Genius

      Being able to entertain somebody with a drum or win a game with a football certainly takes skill. Skill that I do not have. But it does not take genius.

      Building a nice website also takes skill. It's a skill that I do not have. But it does not take genius.

      Genius is not skill, it is vision. It is seeing things that others cannot. You could argue that perhaps Babbage was a genius, since he saw a computing machine long before anyone else did. But Zuckerberg didn't build his website decades before anyone else. Other folks had the same idea at about the same time. Because it had become virtually obvious.

      Which is the whole argument. That as technology progresses, and innovations pile atop innovations, it takes less and less vision to see something new. Until eventually it's right there in your face and somebody is going to "invent" it almost by accident.

      "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants."

      If you stack up enough giants, anyone can see anything.

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    11. Re:Facebook has nothing to do with innovation by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So the real geniuses are people like Babbage, who shouted "oh no, that train is going to squish that puppy!" before that train was even built, and Leonardo da Vinci, who shouted "oh no, that train is going to squish that puppy!" before the idea of trains was even invented.

      Yes. In my opinion that is true genius. That shows some kind of remarkable insight that just simply wasn't available to anyone else at the time. Or for years to come. There was something truly special about those people.

      Of course people thought Babbage was a bit of a nutter at the time, and we probably wouldn't even know who Leonardo da Vinci was today if he hadn't also been a great artist.

      Yup. Simply coming up with an idea doesn't do you too much good if you can't implement it. And if you're too far ahead of the curve then the infrastructure to implement it doesn't even exist.

      Clearly being a real genius isn't of much practical value. The real money is in doing a good job at what someone else already thought up.

      Indeed.

      Which does take an awful lot of skill, talent, knowledge, foresight, and luck... I'm not claiming it's easy to put together something like Facebook at the right time, with the right interface, and then pull together the right investors.

      But it isn't genius.

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  3. !news by drolli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come." (Victor Hugo)

    The internet just mad that stronger.

  4. And yet... by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was the commons supporting them both that really mattered.

    And yet our society and our legal systems enshrine individual innovations and creations as sacred property, while suffering the very existence of a commons or a public domain barely with tolerance, denouncing it as communism.

    1. Re:And yet... by Espressor · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This actually is the author's point:

      We're also helping creators and their heirs hold legal monopolies on innovations for much longer, extending individual copyrights to the life of the author plus 70 years, for instance. Would we lose so many great ideas if the monopoly lasted only until 15 years after the inventor's death?

      [...]

      You need intellectual-property rules that ensure space for new ideas and uses. You need a tax code that encourages research and development spending. You need, in other words, to furnish people with an environment in which innovation can take place.

  5. Sounds like a reason to abolish patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A useful invention will happen when its time comes. The patent system will not make it happen faster. The only thing patents do is prevent further inventions. This seems to be especially true for software 'inventions'.

    There was an electronics writer, Don Landcaster, who spent many column inches demonstrating that patents were absolute poison to the small inventor ( www.tinaja.com/glib/casagpat.pdf ). Patents work for companies that can pay big bucks for lawyers to keep down the small inventor.

    The classic case of an inventor being screwed was Armstrong, the inventor of FM radio. RCA stole his invention and kept him in court until the day he died. He would have been much better off if he didn't think his invention was protected by a patent.

  6. Genius by RaymondKurzweil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Facebook is now an example of "genius", what word shall we now use to describe actual genius?

    And yes, I'm aware that Zuckerberg gets more ass than I ever will, and probably has more than 100 lifetimes of my wealth. My dick doesn't work that well anyway. Question still stands, IMHO.

    1. Re:Genius by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      And yes, I'm aware that Zuckerberg gets more ass than I ever will,

      I was listening to a review of the movie on PBS. One of the commentators pointed out that, contrary to the story line, Zuckerberg was (and still is?) involved with one woman during the birth and creation of Facebook.

      There's something to the idea that once the problem of 'getting ass' has been resolved, creative people have much more time resources with which to develop new technology*.

      *Hence my idea of providing free hookers to engineering ad technology students. This will correct the USA's tech slide in no time.

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    2. Re:Genius by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, all of those examples you cite may have tanked because their inventors sold them. Think about it. Once the creative drive and the instinct to do what's cool leaves the product, and is replaced by a lot of investment money that wants to monetize the cool in order to realize ROI, what do you think happens?

      I predict that Facebook will do well as long as Zuckerberg retains control over it. Once he is no longer in charge of things, it will falter.

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      You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
    3. Re:Genius by geekmux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Facebook is now an example of "genius", what word shall we now use to describe actual genius?

      And yes, I'm aware that Zuckerberg gets more ass than I ever will, and probably has more than 100 lifetimes of my wealth. My dick doesn't work that well anyway. Question still stands, IMHO.

      And your question is valid. It wasn't "genius". It was sheer luck. Nothing more. There were others before Facebook, but his became the "popular" hangout. That's it. No "genius" or even "magic" there. No way am I going to compare someone who hit an Internet "lottery" to some of the greatest minds of the 20th Century.

      Besides, someone sitting around acting out a bullshit fake persona for 763 "friends" they hardly knew or know is about as far from being "social" as one can get...Guess I'm one of those old-fashioned humans that still prefers actually sitting down and talking (gasp!)

    4. Re:Genius by NoSig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's exactly backwards. Science productivity falls off a cliff from scientists who get married.

    5. Re:Genius by Urza9814 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on who that woman is. I just broke up with one and find myself _flooded_ with free time to spend on coding and other projects.

    6. Re:Genius by foniksonik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. The kind of science productivity that gets you noticed falls off a cliff. Actually useful stuff ends up getting done but on a new steady schedule rather than fits and starts and explosions.

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      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
    7. Re:Genius by McGruber · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's exactly backwards. Science productivity falls off a cliff from scientists who get married.

      That's why the plan called for getting scientists hookers, not wives...

  7. Social networking? Really? by kurokame · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's your best example?

    Calculus, dude. It's the calculus. The Newton-Leibniz rivalry is the go-to example of simultaneous invention. What you've got instead is a shaggy dog story set up to let you imply that Zuckerberg is in some way a genius.

    1. Re:Social networking? Really? by kurokame · · Score: 5, Funny

      Damn it Newton, stop posting as AC and get an account already. We all know it's you.

    2. Re:Social networking? Really? by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also natural selection, with Darwin having sat on the theory for a while, and only publishing after corresponding with Wallace and realizing that Wallace was on his way to beating Darwin to the punch.

  8. Re:So in other words by shimage · · Score: 2, Informative

    Timing is wrapped up in the luck. An idea before its time is still a failure.

  9. It could work. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the patent office would have to require a WORKING prototype of whatever you're trying to patent.

    The biggest problem is that the patent office will now accept patent applications for items that do not exist. This allows companies to block other inventors by having a patent filed prior to the inventor inventing the invention.

    1. Re:It could work. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can understand that somethings need protection while investors pool funds to actually build a thing

      Why do you believe that?

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
  10. Re:Tech Genius != Financial Success by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Neither Mark Zuckerberg nor Bill Gates nor Steve Jobs could program a fucking VCR.

    But Ballmer can throw one quite a distance.

    This is known as "big man's disease" where the belief that physical size, the ability to bellow and pound on a desk has some economic value in the management of a modern business. Back when I worked for a power company, there was some value to this. The foreman on a line crew had proven himself in a largely physical profession and was therefore accorded some level of respect.

    They can't program a program either their skill is in finding someone who can and telling them to "get it done" then having the resources to write their paycheck.

    Which raises the question of why the generic talents like managing an office, raising capital, keeping the stationary cabinet full, etc. commands higher wages than the people who actually build the systems.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  11. Re:Poke by gman003 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Obvious, really. Nothing makes people happier, in my experience, than letting them annoy others.

  12. Re:Next up by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

    0-click ordering

    Its called Government.

  13. Counter Examples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Steam Engine of Alexandria
    Archimedes celestial clock device
    Concrete

    All discovered, then subsequently lost and even as technology advanced beyond the point where each was originally invented no one at the time came up with them until centuries after the point this hypothesis would postulate.

  14. Re:standing upon the shoulders of giants... by Sulphur · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am a clod, you insensitive dwarf!

  15. Re:Ezra Klein is a political shill by bieber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When the hard work in question is of an intellectual nature and takes no resources to reproduce, of course we should. I guess we should all have to start our lives with no technology at all, and only the lucky few of us who manage to independently discover such novel concepts as fire and agriculture should be allowed to make use of them? Or to use a more recent example, schoolchildren should only be taught algebra and left to do the hard work necessary to discover calculus themselves?

  16. I am not entirey convinced by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's arguments like this that trouble me.

    That's what happened with Alexander Graham Bell, who in all likelihood invented the telephone after Elisha Gray - and both of them came after Antonio Meucci, who couldn't afford the fee to keep his patent current.

    Elisha Gray was the audience while Bell demonstrated his telephone at the Centennial World's Fair in Philadelphia in July 1876.

    Gray was no stranger to self promotion.

    He was an electrical engineer with a national reputation and a lucrative portfolio of some seventy patents. This is guy who co-founded Western Electric. The guy who would later go on to invent an early and commercially successful "fax machine," the Telautograph.

    The first Bell telephone exchange opened in Hartford, Connecticut in January, 1878. By 1882 this single exchange had gone through two stages of expansion to become Southern New England telephone.

    If Gray had a working telephone in 1876, what the hell was he doing with it?

    The answer to this riddle is that - like all the others who had grown up with Western Union - he probably thought all he had in his hand was a plaything.

    Bell was the outsider. Bell was disruptive.

    An investigating committee established by the British Parliament found Edison's work on the electric light "unworthy of the attention of practical or scientific men." Edison himself thought his phonograph "not of any commercial value."
    The renowned British physicist Lord Kelvin announced in 1897 that "radio has no future." A decade later a business executive told radio pioneer Lee De Forest that he could put in a single room "all the radiotelephone apparatus that the country will ever need." De Forest himself announced in 1926 that, "while theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially I consider it an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming."
    So it goes: Year after year, decade after decade, century after century, our ancestors have made fools of themselves. We always laugh at the electrical toy; van Gogh never sells his paintings; Melville always dies unrecognized. The only safe prediction is that people will go on making dumb predictions.

    Hindsight, Foresight, and No Sight

    1. Re:I am not entirey convinced by bit01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bell was the outsider. Bell was disruptive.

      No he wasn't. The telephone is a classic example of "an invention whose time has come".

      There were dozens, if not hundreds of persons and groups at the time all over the world trying to improve the telegraph, including trying to transmit audio, to make recordings and to create automated switching fabrics. Many knew the importance of those things. Bell was lucky to be first, nothing more. Read his biography. He spent the rest of his life, and considerable wealth, both litigating and trying to create the next big thing. He succeeded in the litigation but not in creating the next big thing. He was no genius or particular innovator. In addition his main interest was in assisting the deaf, the telephone was a sideline.

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      Like software, intellectual property law is a product of the mind, and can be anything we want it to be. Let's get it right.

  17. It was the chIcks that made FB by gatkinso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You remember those hot babes who were Florida Gators fans who ended up in Maxim? THEY made Facebook take off.

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  18. Re:Tech Genius != Financial Success by PPH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ever tried building a system without an office, stationary(or the digital equivalent), or capital? Exactly.

    Yes. On my kitchen table (more or less).

    Ever try to build a system with an office, capital and a nice mahogany board of directors' table but no talent. Exactly.

    The problem arises when you get something up and running and need capital to expand. The cost of that is to put the VC's idiot nephew on the board, hire MBAs from his Alma Mater's frat house and give them the checkbook.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  19. Isaac Newton realised this. by sashang · · Score: 2, Informative

    "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." - Isaac Newton. The corollary is there is no such thing as a self-made man.

  20. NOT Counter-examples! by tygerstripes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think you've missed the point. With the exception of Concrete, these inventions were massively predated as you say, but they didn't prevail. There wasn't much application for such advanced technology, given that less-advanced alternatives were good enough and easier to produce - horse-before-the-cart and all that. To put it simply: Their Time Had Not Come.

    Concrete is an interesting counter-example though. As a building material it's remarkable, and there were some things the Romans could (apparently) do with it that we still can't reproduce - real Wisdom-of-the-ancients stuff. The best explanation I can offer is that concrete requires a society to have not only some empirical knowledge of chemistry, but also a decent infrastructure and therefore a decent size and advancement of other technologies in order for the required components to be sufficiently available. The Romans had it for a while, but it was a long time after their civilization fell before the opportunity to rediscover concrete arose again. I suppose it's another example of "Steam Engine Time" in effect, but with the other examples it's due to the lack of pressing need while with concrete it's due to lack of supporting factors.

    Necessity is the mother of invention, but its father is the Tech Tree.

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    Meta will eat itself
  21. simple human psychology: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    when you can't get any ass, all you want to do is get ass

    when you can get ass any time you want, you lose interest in trying to get it

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it