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Sony HDTVs To Come With Google TV Interface

adeelarshad82 writes "Even though Google recently announced its own Google TV, seems like their partnership with Sony is going to make it obsolete. Google has partnered up with Sony to launch four HDTVs loaded with the Google TV interface, as well as a Google TV Blu-ray player. The company's Google TV products will be called Sony Internet TV. With the Google TV, Sony aims to provide a clean and easy way to browse the Web, watch TV, and run applications all on your HDTV. Google TV uses the true Chrome Web browser with Flash 10.1. Unfortunately though, at the moment it only has a handful of apps available but Sony said the OS will be updated in early 2011 to include the Android Market app with more options."

124 comments

  1. Reasons this Will Fail: by sexconker · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No one cares about the current and planned IPTV offerings.
    Cable/satellite companies will never let them mature into anything worthwhile.
    Sony.

    Reasons Slashdot will shit on this:
    Flash.

    1. Re:Reasons this Will Fail: by Facegarden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one cares about the current and planned IPTV offerings.
      Cable/satellite companies will never let them mature into anything worthwhile.
      Sony.

      Reasons Slashdot will shit on this:
      Flash.

      Its not so much IPTV like AT&T U-Verse, that requires everyone to agree on how it works, its just web TV, like Hulu. I already use Hulu as my main source of TV, and don't have cable, just internet, with a media center hooked up to the TV.

      Plenty of people would do that too if it were built into to their TV already.

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    2. Re:Reasons this Will Fail: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't episodes unavailable on Hulu until 24 hours after they air?

      Whereas pirated 352p xvids and 720p mkvs are almost always available within a half-hour, with no ads, and lower performance requirements (because no Flash needed).

      Plenty of people would do that too if it were built into to their TV already, but for those of us already geeking about with computers hooked to our TVs, piracy seems to be the clear winner for watching current stuff; of course, Hulu should be good for older shows, where torrents are slow and rars are missing from the sharing sites. Well, it would be good if you live in the US or feel like messing with proxies, anyway...

      And that brings me to my main source of trepidation about Google TV: will it let me install piracy apps (or even use the browser) for hunting down foreign shows and save them into my media library, or will it be DRMed so only MAFIAA-approved media dispensaries get first-class citizenship -- leaving me SOL if I import it to a country Hulu doesn't like?

    3. Re:Reasons this Will Fail: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of people would [watch Hulu] too if it were built into to their TV already.

      And once plenty of people start watching then there will be 10 minutes of commercials to watch a 'half hour show' plus an intro commercial before you can even start playing it.

      And then you'll be watching TV from torrents saying 'if only they built torrents into the tv tuner'.

  2. take that steve jobs by alen · · Score: 2, Funny

    i predict google TV will be integrated into most TV's in the next 3-5 years which means every TV will soon ship with Flash

    no need to fire up the computer for the porn tube sites

    1. Re:take that steve jobs by c0lo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      i predict google TV will be integrated into most TV's in the next 3-5 years which means every TV will soon ship with Flash

      no need to fire up the computer for the porn tube sites

      No worries. Jobs will follow with his release of iGoogleTV (err... ooops... I mean, iTV), without flash and with tight control over access to porn. By that time, the fanboys/girls will already have children of their own, be interested in protecting them (from exposure to Flash) and still look kool when having guests.

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    2. Re:take that steve jobs by dangitman · · Score: 1

      No worries. Jobs will follow with his release of iGoogleTV (err... ooops... I mean, iTV), without flash and with tight control over access to porn. By that time, the fanboys/girls will already have children of their own, be interested in protecting them (from exposure to Flash) and still look kool when having guests.

      So, you support children being exposed to flashers? Pervert.

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  3. Terrible summary. by Facegarden · · Score: 4, Informative

    Paraphrasing since copy-paste isn't working (did slashdot do that on purpose or is my computer on crack?)

    "Even though google annouced their own google tv... their partnership with sony will make it obsolete..."

    Anyway.. whaaaa? Did the person writing this even read about Google TV? Google didn't announce a TV... the announced a software platform called Google TV, which sony is using. So the partnership isn't going to make it obsolete... it's USING Google TV!

    Such a terrible summary its actually weird. Also, nice random semicolon.
    -Taylor

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    1. Re:Terrible summary. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Such a terrible summary its actually weird.

      One word: sampenzus.

    2. Re:Terrible summary. by MichaelKristopeit+23 · · Score: 0
      copy and paste only doesn't work for me when i use chrome... that, coupled with this story release, reveals quite obviously a position held by the site editors.

      slashdot = stagnated

    3. Re:Terrible summary. by MichaelKristopeit+23 · · Score: 0
      as a side note, you can get around the copy and paste restriction by piping a paste into a virtual keyboard echo interface... a handful of lines of codes for any high level development environment.

      it's pathetic that a site that so often demonizes ineffective software restrictions would employ similar tools.

      truly pathetic.

    4. Re:Terrible summary. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 0, Troll

      Or you could just right click the selected text and hit "copy". It's really not that complicated.

    5. Re:Terrible summary. by MichaelKristopeit+23 · · Score: 0

      the right-click paste command, and the edit menu paste command both do nothing. it really is ridiculous.

    6. Re:Terrible summary. by Late+Adopter · · Score: 1

      I find it difficult to believe it's intentional, as it makes it difficult to quote someone.

      It is, however, incredibly annoying.

    7. Re:Terrible summary. by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Or you could just right click the selected text and hit "copy". It's really not that complicated.

      Thank you, mr computer guru, I never thought of that... Only, IT DOESN'T PASTE. Something won't let it. Using chrome.

      but thanks for being a jackass.

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    8. Re:Terrible summary. by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      He wasn't being a jackass, he was being a moron.

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    9. Re:Terrible summary. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I can't paste into the text box on /. either. I am using chrome. Using IE it works fine.

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    10. Re:Terrible summary. by Trufagus · · Score: 1

      And a couple of days ago there was an article about how Apple had started allowing Bluetooth data communications. Not only was this totally wrong (nothing had changed) but anyone who knew anything about Bluetooth on phones or who researched the topic for 5 minutes would have known this.

      I think summaries like these are (and should be) very embarrassing for slashdot.

      Are the editors here paid or are they volunteer (I will cut them more slack if they are volunteers)?

    11. Re:Terrible summary. by dissy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I find it difficult to believe it's intentional, as it makes it difficult to quote someone.

      That would go hand in hand with the meta-moderation page ripping out both the quote and i tags, so when you quote someone, the quoted text appears that You are saying it, and thus you get modded whatever the parent post should be/is.

      The plot thickens...

    12. Re:Terrible summary. by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      I've been having the same problem for a while now.

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    13. Re:Terrible summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, he is using Chrome. And then bitching about it not working right.

    14. Re:Terrible summary. by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      Also ...

      no one currently owns a TV and no one else aside from sony makes them

    15. Re:Terrible summary. by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Happens to me as well with Chrome on Win. Doesn't happen with other browsers (IE on Win, FF on Linux).

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    16. Re:Terrible summary. by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      I find it difficult to believe it's intentional, as it makes it difficult to quote someone.

      That would go hand in hand with the meta-moderation page ripping out both the quote and i tags, so when you quote someone, the quoted text appears that You are saying it, and thus you get modded whatever the parent post should be/is.

      The plot thickens...

      Yeah. And the no paste thing only works in Chrome. Can someone check the page's source and see if there is something intentional in there blocking it?

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    17. Re:Terrible summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      samzenpus??

    18. Re:Terrible summary. by sclark46 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And the no paste thing only works in Chrome. Can someone check the page's source and see if there is something intentional in there blocking it? I just copied and pasted the above using chrome on Linux no problem.

    19. Re:Terrible summary. by onkelonkel · · Score: 2, Funny

      The editors are undoubtedly volunteers. Or possibly they got their jobs through some sort of "hire the mentally challenged" program. If they were regular employees they would have all been fired 10 times by now.

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    20. Re:Terrible summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sadly, its getting closer to be all editors on /.

    21. Re:Terrible summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they're C-level execs? Or full professors?

    22. Re:Terrible summary. by swilly · · Score: 1

      Copy and paste only seems to be broken once you start typing. If nothing is typed in the reply box, it works fine for me. For what it's worth, I'm using Chrome 6 on Linux.

    23. Re:Terrible summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happens to me as well with Chrome on Win. Doesn't happen with other browsers (IE on Win, FF on Linux).

      As opposed to IE on...?

    24. Re:Terrible summary. by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      The bug is specific to Chrome. I thought it was specific to the OS X build. A simple workaround is to simply launch another browser to post with as the bug doesn't affect Firefox or Safari. I didn't stoop to trying IE though.

      Still very irritating...

  4. No, Google did not announce it's own Google TV by cmiller173 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google did not announce it's own Google TV, Google announced Google TV products from partners Sony and Logitech. Which is what they were saying all along. May: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/05/20/198242/Google-TV-Announced-With-Intel-Sony-and-Logitech

    1. Re:No, Google did not announce it's own Google TV by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      True

      In case of Android they needed something to push the fairly young platform and explore some possibilities. Therefore they contracted out the production of their own featured handset.
      But with their TV platform there's already the precedence of Android's market penetration and Google's video acquisitions. This made it easier to find strategic partners for the new product.

  5. Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bundle everything in the TV, so I have to pay ridiculous sums of money to upgrade just one component. For bonus points, don't deliver firmware updates, or deliver ones that break current features, or ship with limited features and never update, so that I have to buy your product again in 1-2 years -- like Hulu support in 2011. Bastards.

    1. Re:Great. by SudoGhost · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why I'm considering buying the Logitech one. After that PS3 Linux fiasco, they aren't getting my money that easily. The Logitech version comes with a keyboard that I prefer anyways.

      http://www.logitech.com/en-us/smartTV/revue

    2. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      This isn't limited to Sony. Virtually all Blu-ray/TV manufacturers artificially limit updates and open access to their devices. In fact, Sony is one of the better ones in this area (for their higher-end products). If you purchased a Netflix/YouTube/Pandora/Hulu-capable Blu-ray player 5 months ago, it probably hasn't received substantial updates since, with the newer software features only appearing in later product versions... even though earlier versions have the same hardware.

    3. Re:Great. by SudoGhost · · Score: 1

      This isn't limited to Sony.

      Pushing firmware updates that remove an advertised feature is a common practice then?

      I'd rather be kept in the dark with newer updates, then being forced to update the firmware in a manner that cripples the device.

      Screw you Sony.

    4. Re:Great. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Did you even have Linux on your PS3? If even 1/10th of the people who complain about SCEfoo removing Linux support had actually used it, the YDL forums would have been far far more busy.

    5. Re:Great. by SudoGhost · · Score: 1

      Yes, I used it. You assume that everyone who uses something visits a forum? I used the product and I was happy with it, no forum required.

  6. Good idea by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think if all TVs had this it would be great. Built in surfing capabilities with WiFi? Who wouldn't want that, and what reason could you argue not to have it?

    If it becomes a standard feature, then you could just buy a TV (with it) and not even use it if you don't want it. The only downside is devices like AppleTV will become obsolete. Well, "down side".

    1. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? How about if I want to upgrade to GoogleTV hardware spec 2.0, and don't want to pay the unnecessary $700 fee for a TV screen that hasn't changed? Or vice-versa, to buy a 10" larger TV, but don't want to pay $200-300 for the same exact bonus features. Yeah, I could buy an external device in the first place, but if everything is integrated, there is no choice left.

    2. Re:Good idea by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can come up easily with reasons not to have it.

      Best one? Cost. TVs are already expensive, and to stick a wireless nic in there would tack another $50+ on the price easily, for something I neither want nor need due to my set up far surpassing the need to hook my TV up to my network.

      How about stability? Make TVs more complicated, all of a sudden my TV might start crashing, and I won't be able to do anything about it, unless the manufacturer includes an update down the road.

      How about signal interference? Make it wifi only, and it's subject to the interference that makes so many areas unsuitable for wifi use. Put in a wired nic, and you're probably upping cost more.

      There, three reasons, and two of them affect *everyone* even if they chose not to use the feature.

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    3. Re:Good idea by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Who wouldn't want that, and what reason could you argue not to have it?

      Because the components will become outdated long before the TV portion does and the only way to update will be to replace the entire thing. Or do you actually think it will be based on an open architecture that will allow replacement of components and still remain in warranty? Sorry, not for me.

    4. Re:Good idea by geekoid · · Score: 1

      TV's are cheap, considering what you are getting, and a wi-fi seutp up might be an additional 2 dollars... maybe.

      Why a wi-fi set up would cause your tv to crash is beyond me, and I know how they design TVs.

      A TV is full of features most people won't use. I don't use all my HDMI. but it would be stupid of me to bitch they are to many of them.

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    5. Re:Good idea by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I am using the same wi-fi device I was using 8 years ago.

      Seriously, your argument is pretty thin.

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    6. Re:Good idea by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      And I have had three TVs over the past thirty years. In that time, I have had to fix or replace VCRs, LaserDisc players, TiVos and just about everything else that I've plugged into them because of a failure of one sort or another. The cost of all of them together was cheaper than a new TV. The fewer additional components, the less chance I'll have problems.

    7. Re:Good idea by timeOday · · Score: 1
      It's not like Wi-Fi in a TV is a new thing, most Sony TVs already have Wi-Fi because they can play the Bravia Internet Video service which includes netflix, youtube, hulu plus (soon), and a bunch of other junky little video sources that appear half-baked.

      PS, Sony's page I linked already features the GoogleTV, so I guess they are serious.

      I can't speak for google TV, but playing from Netflix is great. It's very convenient, and the HD stream looks better than DVD. (I do still have a PVR connected as well, but it's linux so it can't play Netflix). I doubt google TV will be a better computer than a PC-based PVR with a wireless mouse/keyboard, but then again I didn't think the iPad would catch on either :)

    8. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your wifi device/router has horrifically slow data rates, is limited to 11-13 channels, operates in a frequency subject to massive interference, is borderline unusable in many populated areas, probably craps out while torrenting, doesn't support modern open firmware (small flash), and can only stream compressed video between ~15Mb-30Mb/s.

      The hardware powering this TV's browser/Google TV stack will probably appear ancient in 2-3 years.

    9. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I half-agree on wireless inside TVs. It does have some purpose, not a lot though. When devices center around standards like WirelessHD it will be a lot more useful and a basic requirement of TVs. I can't help but feel that complex systems like GTV have no business being inside TVs though, now or ever. It's just one more way for these anti-consumer companies to extract money through false product support.

    10. Re:Good idea by demonbug · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who wouldn't want that, and what reason could you argue not to have it?

      Because the components will become outdated long before the TV portion does and the only way to update will be to replace the entire thing. Or do you actually think it will be based on an open architecture that will allow replacement of components and still remain in warranty? Sorry, not for me.

      I agree. I hate that it has become nearly impossible to find a TV that is just a TV. Hell, in most cases even a TV tuner is unnecessary. It would be nice if some manufacturer put out a line of large-size monitors that skip out on all this BS. Just give me a ~55" LCD w/ as many LED backlights as you can, a few HDMI inputs, a couple s-video, component, and composite inputs, maybe a DVI input, and that's it. No speakers, no network interface, definitely no integrated online "experience". Probably don't even need any outputs. Okay, throw in an IR receiver so I can turn it on and off and change inputs without getting off the couch.
      Other than that - I've got all my sources covered already, I don't need redundant sources built into the TV. Seriously, concentrate on providing the best picture quality possible at a given price point, and ditch everything else.

      This might not actually reduce the overall cost a huge amount, but it should at least make a difference, and I wouldn't feel like I'm spending money on crap I will never use.

      Hmm, maybe I should just get a projector.

    11. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about just logical design? If you integrate something like GoogleTV into the cable box or HTPC, then everything just works. Everything is already setup to go through the home theater receiver which can distribute the signal to the correct monitor/speakers (which do not have to be the ones in the same room.)

      But if you integrate it into the TV, now you've got to send audio output from the TV to the receiver. And there's no way to run the video signal through the receiver...it's just a whole lot less flexible.

    12. Re:Good idea by adolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good news!

      Luckily enough, the announcement of Sony using Google TV in some of their newest HDTVs did not also include an announcement of the discontinuation of other models which do not include Google TV!

      That's right: You'll still be able to buy a TV without all of this gee-wizardry, and it will cost less than than the newfangled kit described in TFA!

      If you want to keep things this way, then just keep voting with your wallet and companies will keep making simple TVs that folks like you (and I) like. It's easy, it's fun, and it saves money!

      (My own 52" Samsung LCD is nearly as brain-dead as can be. It simply displays video, and occasionally does a little bit of video switching. It doesn't handle audio, it doesn't view Netflix, it doesn't have a built-in Blu-Ray player, and it certainly doesn't fucking run Google TV. And nor will its replacement. It does, however, do a fine job of displaying video. I have other toys for those those other sorts of roles, and want as little co-dependence between them as possible. And I'll keep buying things in such a fashion as to support the ongoing manufacture of stuff that allows doing stuff in this way.)

    13. Re:Good idea by thijsh · · Score: 1

      I already bought an Acer TV with Wifi in 2006... It's only too bad Acer discontinued this line, it could have become really great... And yes, the built in PC with LAN and Wifi did run linux (but the default menu is pretty useless, and the software hasn't been updated since 2006 too).

    14. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't we say the same things about phones/consoles and the like?

    15. Re:Good idea by adolf · · Score: 1

      Didn't we say the same things about phones/consoles and the like?

      Dunno if anyone said that or not, but it doesn't matter:

      A few months ago, I got the boy a very non-fancy Nokia cell phone. Works fine, battery lasts a long time, and it's impossibly light.

      The Wii still is very popular and available. It's a very basic game system.

      Printers are another good example: There have been all-in-one printing machines for home use for at least a decade which can do all manner of redundant shit from front panel controls, but these haven't detracted from the availability of less-expensive models which don't do any of that.

      I can get a fridge with all manner of gadgetry tied into it. Or I can buy one that just has a simple mechanical thermostat, which also does a fine job of keeping my food cold.

      Same with toasters. Or furniture. Or a million other household widgets.

      I'd say that simple still works just fine, and isn't headed anywhere as long as people keep buying it.

    16. Re:Good idea by adolf · · Score: 1

      Fast forward a few years. Imagine that it's 2014, and someone has a similar complaint:

      "I already bought a Sony TV with Wifi in 2010... It's only too bad Sony discontinued this line, it could have become really great... And yes, the built in PC with LAN and Wifi did run linux (but the default menu is pretty useless, and the software hasn't been updated since 2010 too)."

    17. Re:Good idea by thijsh · · Score: 1

      Funny, but sadly probably true... That is the problem when it's locked down and the server software isn't open sourced... otherwise the community would have created a great front-end for the PC with transcoding and everything (I only got as far as getting a busybox shell running on the TV, but trying to reverse engineer their proprietary software is a bit more than one man can manage). Instead of dealing with the crappy propietary software I just went back to using my open source Kiss player (which was the first networked DivX player back then), it also had problems but most was fixed by a thriving hacking community that built the coolest innovative things and continued to improve the system for a long time.

      The newer generation might be be much more useful though, with 300N wifi and proper upnp you can actually use it for a while. Once you have a certain baseline in hardware support and adhere to standards you can use the device with different backends that also support that standard.

    18. Re:Good idea by adolf · · Score: 1

      Maybe...

      I see it as just the same thing as built-in VCRs, and later DVD players, which were somewhat common especially toward the end of the CRT age. Neat, tidy, works (for various definitions of "works"), cannot be changed for something that works better, and is eventually broken or is deprecated for a new format. All it does is give the user a little temporary freedom from having an external player, usually at substantial cost.

      And once it breaks/becomes deprecated, the extra componentry which was added to what is otherwise a fairly simple display device becomes excess baggage. Once this happens, someone invariably straps an outboard VCR/DVD/Blu-Ray/Google TV box to it and we're back to square one: A TV with extra stuff sitting next to it in order to make it as useful as it used to be.

      I'd rather buy just a TV. And if it needs to do more, I'd prefer my money to go toward external devices that accomplish whatever "more" is.

      And while everyone else is fucking around with ugly DLNA-based transcoding hacks like tversity and playon on a separate PC to make their old networked TV turn new tricks over Ethernet, I'll just build/buy an energy-efficient external device that natively understands the format and delivers it over universally-acceptable HDMI, VGA, or component video instead of a highly device-dependent TCP stream. :)

    19. Re:Good idea by thijsh · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I realized, and I waited for years until a platform came around that was affordable (looked into Pentium-M for desktop before but the price was really high) and could play decent video while keeping the power usage low... So I recently bought an ION PC (power use generally under 20watt), works like a charm (downloads my torrents better than my previous big-ass media-box which consumed closer to 200watt, I figured I'll have the investment back in 2 years based on power alone).

      My next 'TV' will probably just be a large monitor without any TV-tuner at all... As long as it has HDMI it'll do.

  7. Summary is bizarrely wrong by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even though Google recently announced its own Google TV, seems like their partnership with Sony is going to make it obsolete

    Wrong.

    What Google announced was the GoogleTV platform. In the Google announcement, they announced a series of hardware manufacturer partners that would be developing devices incorporating the platform on TVs, Blu-Ray players, and standalone settop boxes. Sony was one of those.

    Now Sony has announced some of the specific initial products that it will be making that incorporate the GoogleTV platform.

    Unfortunately though, at the moment it only has a handful of apps available but Sony said the OS will be updated in early 2011 to include the Android Market app with more options.

    Which is exactly what Google said when they announced GoogleTV.

  8. Will it come pre-rooted? by TheWoozle · · Score: 1, Funny

    All I want to know is if my new Sony TV will come with a free root kit pre-installed at the factory?

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    1. Re:Will it come pre-rooted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know! Apparently after releasing a few CD's with rootkits several years ago, Sony now ships rootkits in every device they build! Earbuds? Rootkit. DVD Player? Rootkit. Those free lanyards they hand out at events? You don't even want to know what the rootkit's in those do! *shudder*

      Oh while we're on stale jokes, I need to BRB cuz My Windows machine just did a BSOD LOLZ!!!!!!!11!!!

      *facepalm*

    2. Re:Will it come pre-rooted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can take your palm from your face; it looks like a contrived action.
      SONY's actions speak for themselves. Go ahead and make light of it, if you feel you must, it's only a question of time before SONY takes something from you as well. Go ahead and buy that TV, then realize afterward that you'll only watch what SONY tells you to watch. Or only "certified" equipment will play through it. Or some other idiotic SONY limit is pushed onto you. Personally, after purchasing a PS3 over and Xbox360 specifically because it boot and run Linux, then having SONY steal that from me, has made me see those thieving cheat bastards exactly for who they are. It'll be a cold day in hell before SONY sees another dime from me.
      SONY doesn't deserve to be in an open market.

  9. Re:Reasons this Will Fail: firmware updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It IS sony, so we can expect firmware updates which remove features rather than add them.

  10. I wonder if.. by Lanteran · · Score: 1

    I wonder if there'll be some lawsuit about unfairly bundling the service with the TV, which caused the cable/satellite TV industry to shrivel at long last?

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    1. Re:I wonder if.. by westlake · · Score: 1

      I wonder if there'll be some lawsuit about unfairly bundling the service with the TV, which caused the cable/satellite TV industry to shrivel at long last?

      You mean like Netflix has been bundled with virtually every piece of home theater hardware sold with an Ethernet connection?

  11. 4 USB ports? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 0

    ...on a TV? Four?

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    1. Re:4 USB ports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...on a TV? Four?

      I know what you're thinking... not very many.

    2. Re:4 USB ports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Fuck it, we're doing 5 ports.

    3. Re:4 USB ports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four should be enough for everyone.

    4. Re:4 USB ports? by Animaether · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mouse and/or keyboard for those things that just don't work so well with the fancy remote, external HDD to play back content from (instead of a media center thing that plays back over HDMI and needing an HDMI switch), camera/card reader (presuming it doesn't have a built-in card reader)... yeah, those 4 could end up being used simultaneously just fine.

    5. Re:4 USB ports? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Now I can use it as a docking station for my devices I set next to the TV. Nice. Plus if you are going to put one in, you might as well put four.. All the circuitry will be there.

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    6. Re:4 USB ports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      With the prospect of having Android in early 2011 (evolving towards a computer): 1 for the keyboard, 1 for the mouse, 1 for the external HDD, 1 for the WebCam... dude, where I'm plugin in my USB graphic tablet?
      I wonder if the Sony incarnation will have multi-touch screen, though, I'd hate not to be able to run Google apps for my HTC Desire, especially some GoogleMaps-based while travelling

      (note: an would-be sarcastic post on the extreme convergence of devices)

    7. Re:4 USB ports? by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Mouse and/or keyboard for those things that just don't work so well with the fancy remote, external HDD to play back content from (instead of a media center thing that plays back over HDMI and needing an HDMI switch), camera/card reader (presuming it doesn't have a built-in card reader)... yeah, those 4 could end up being used simultaneously just fine.

      What about a USB blender to mix me some hard drinks every time a Reality TV show comes on?

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    8. Re:4 USB ports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  12. Reasons parent comment fails by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    No one cares about the current and planned IPTV offerings.

    This isn't an IPTV offering. Its simply a Web + TV offering. It does incorporate access to existing Web video sources, but primarily the TV (content) part comes from whatever normal TV signal source you have.

    Cable/satellite companies will never let them mature into anything worthwhile.

    Which is probably why GoogleTV is designed primarily (for now) to bring existing Web content to your TV screen and enhance rather than replace traditional cable/satellite (or, AFAIK, broadcast) TV.

    Sony.

    Sony hasn't really been all that bad at selling TVs and other media products, so as much as some people may be upset about some things Sony has done in the past, I don't think that's a reason that the product will fail.

    1. Re:Reasons parent comment fails by sexconker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No one cares about the current and planned IPTV offerings.

      This isn't an IPTV offering. Its simply a Web + TV offering. It does incorporate access to existing Web video sources, but primarily the TV (content) part comes from whatever normal TV signal source you have.

      Web + TV, you say?
      Why, I could make billions if it was 1994 and the idea wasn't complete shit.

    2. Re:Reasons parent comment fails by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Web + TV, you say?
      Why, I could make billions if it was 1994

      Yes, nothing that has ever been, in generally similar terms, tried once and failed has ever been commercialized successfully later after technology has advanced and details of the approach were changed.

      For instance, Apple isn't currently doing a brisk business in selling tablet computers despite the weak success of previous attempts of other companies to do that.

    3. Re:Reasons parent comment fails by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Things have changed a little since 1994. Mainly that we have streaming video. It's an application that actually makes sense for a television.

    4. Re:Reasons parent comment fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd buy one. That would let me watch Nostalgia Chick on Youtube and regular cable (eg: History Channel) without having to hook a PC to my TV.

    5. Re:Reasons parent comment fails by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Previous attempts?

      Don't be ridiculous! Apple invented the tablet! And the touchscreen! There can be no others!

    6. Re:Reasons parent comment fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sexconker is a known troll. he's just trying to rile everybody up. just ignore him and don't respond... he's a douchebag.

  13. Wrong question. by srussia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All I want to know is if my new Sony TV will come with a free root kit pre-installed at the factory?

    TV, Sony or not, is already a rootkit to your mind.

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    1. Re:Wrong question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, great argumentation there, buddy.

  14. Cool by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    Now even my TV can get infected with malware.

  15. xmb by bhcompy · · Score: 1

    So much for XMB. Unless, of course, this is part of a plan of pushing out PSP phones running on Android.

    1. Re:xmb by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long until Sony will start to feel the cannibalistic effects (on PSP) of having Android able to support games... One can only hope for a revival of "entertainment value over 3D effects", Indie producers and so on. How fast would be Valve reacting? I'd be worried about Sony arresting their incarnation of Android... like keeping a very strong control of the App market their TV can access for a while, at least... (until enough competition will emerge... Samsung for instance won't be that fussy).

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    2. Re:xmb by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long until Sony will start to feel the cannibalistic effects (on PSP) of having Android able to support games...

      I'm guessing an extremely long fucking time.

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  16. Sooo by Themer · · Score: 1

    Is this going to include the new patent that allows me the consumer to PAY to skip commercials? Will Sony figure out a way to keep DVR's from skipping commercials so the GOOG gets its cut? If so this should be tagged DoNotWant!

    1. Re:Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If so this should be tagged DoNotWant!

      See, that's because you can think. Thinking puts you in a tiny minority of consumers, so hate to break it to you, but you don't matter.

      All that matters is what the sheeple can be sold. They will gladly buy their own cages; look at all the folks buying locked down cell phones.

    2. Re:Sooo by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      We'll need AdBlock Plus and NoScript for our TVs

    3. Re:Sooo by bobjr94 · · Score: 1

      First thing I thought too. Google will be tracking your viewing and inserting its own ads and pop-ups over your shows. Ill save the 400$ extra it costs and get a laptop that I can take out of the front room.

  17. How long until Sony starts subtracting features? by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And how long will it be until Sony decides to start removing features from this TV, because of alleged concerns about piracy, hacking, moping with intent to creep, or whatever other excuse they come up with?

    "Sorry, we have removed the web browser's ability to visit any site with a vowel in the URL, because some people were visiting sites about how to use their TV to view unapproved content."

    Sorry Sony, you burned me on my PS3, you shall not do so again.

  18. the problem with google tv: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already have a computer. #tuckermaxfail

  19. This will fail... by OverkillTASF · · Score: 1

    Between Sony's adopted mantra of "Do all evil possible" and Google's of "Do no evil", when they get together that must become "Do nothing".

  20. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by chappel · · Score: 1

    The PS3? The last straw for me was in 2000 (2001?) when I bought a wildly overpriced network walkman NW-MS9 "MP3" player that wouldn't play MP3s - http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/sony-nw-ms9-network/1707-6490_7-6148779.html

    Awesome hardware completely crippled for the sake of ensuring no possible way to share a song with it.

    Sony: just say no.

    ch

  21. Say goodbye to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nielsen TV ratings.

  22. Did the post-er have any idea what Google TV is? by RapmasterT · · Score: 1, Funny

    I get the impression from the synopsis that the author doesn't know that Google TV and Sony Ineternet TV are the same thing? I'm not sure how Google TV is going to make Google TV obsolete, but it's sure a head scratcher.

    that being said, this is a horrid idea that has been tried time and time again. Nobody wants an expensive all-in-one device when individual components are typically less expensive and give better results over time. This Sony TV will be fine, until the first Google TV software update that it can't support, then it's a TV with a dead component inside. Kind of like one of those people who have a dead fetus twin inside them their whole lives until they have a cyst removed that turns out to have hair and a face.

    Is THAT what you want in your TV? Is it?

  23. Zombie TVs by Swaziboy · · Score: 1

    Awesome, yet another device that unsuspecting consumers can get infected with viruses and make our botnet problem even worse. How long before you can buy your favorite flavor of AV product for your telly?

  24. Streaming HTML5 <video> by tepples · · Score: 1

    Jobs will follow with his release of iGoogleTV (err... ooops... I mean, iTV), without flash

    "Without Flash" has been used as a code word for "with technologies under the HTML5 banner", including the <video> element.

    and with tight control over access to porn.

    If iOS for Apple TV gets an update to add a Safari browser comparable to the one on iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad, and this Safari has H.264 streaming <video>, how do you expect Mr. Jobs to control what <video> users watch?

  25. Better News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's a lot of partnering going on in the TV world right now. what I'm most excited about is plex and LG. http://elan.plexapp.com/2010/09/02/plex-and-the-future-of-television/
    plex is great on my mac already. I was going to get a mac mini to serve content to my tv but maybe I'll just wait. I'd also consider getting apple TV if plex worked on airplay.

  26. I don't know about this ... by Boona · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody else starting to be a little freaked out about how ubiquitous Google is becoming? I thought phones were cool, but this is starting to scare me. Especially considering the amount of data they collect on us.

  27. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by dangitman · · Score: 1

    The last straw for me was in 2000 (2001?) when I bought a wildly overpriced network walkman NW-MS9 "MP3" player that wouldn't play MP3s

    Why would you do that? Everybody knew those things were shitty. The PS3, on the other hand, is a decent product. With your track record, you probably shouldn't be giving product advice, or even trusting your own instincts.

    Sony makes some great products and some incredibly shitty ones. Making blanket judgements based on brand alone, rather than the merits of individual products, is pretty unintelligent.

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  28. When will a TV just Come With a built-in PC? by El+Fantasmo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm just waiting for a TV to come with a fully functional, unrestricted and networkable PC built in that uses standard parts and interfaces and is linked to one of the TV inputs.

    1. Re:When will a TV just Come With a built-in PC? by amorsen · · Score: 1

      You want to replace your TV every 3 years?

      At least this Google TV will use little enough power that you won't feel completely stupid for having it turned on in 3 years, and it doesn't cost double what a comparable TV without Android would cost. In fact, the additional cost seems to be very close to 0.

      What you have proposed has been done several times, typically with Windows Media Center. They didn't sell, for obvious reasons.

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  29. This is the answer to question nobody is asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet, and by 'internet' I mean the whole interactive social experience, is going (or has gone) mobile. What people want is another way to get TV stuff from the internet to their HD TVs for a better viewing experience, not more computer stuff on their TVs. Apple has it right. Besides, who wants tech that has a life cycle of, maybe, 6 months in a TV with a life cycle of (at least) 5 years?

  30. In soviet russia... by noddyxoi · · Score: 1

    the TV Programs YOU !

    1. Re:In soviet russia... by srussia · · Score: 2, Funny

      the TV Programs YOU !

      Russian mindhacker Yakov Smirnoff injected this meme once using the rootkit. It is still endemic in certain segments of the population.

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  31. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    You know, if you had done any research on the thing before buying it, you would have discovered that it played MP3's by having SonicStage convert them to ATRAC.

  32. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    Did you even have Linux on your PS3? If even 1/10th of the people who complain about SCEfoo removing Linux support had actually used it, the YDL forums would have been far far more busy. Besides, if you want to keep Linux, you can, you're just shut out of PSN.

  33. What they meant to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony said the OS will be updated in early 2011 to ...remove consumer friendly functionality.

  34. Wonderful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait till my TV gets compromised with a bot client or pop-ups.

  35. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by chappel · · Score: 1

    Wow, guess I struck a nerve with the Sony Fanboys. Sure, I could research and find out if a particular Sony product does something underhanded and unexpected, and should have researched the walkman, but I had been really happy with my previous sony products, and had no reason to suspect that if the box SAID it was an MP3 player that they'd be lying. After the ensuing years of proprietary hardware, root-kits, and support for the RIAA, I don't care if they DO happen to puke out a decent product, I know part of the proceeds from it go to screwing people, and that just doesn't sit right with me, and I encourage others to spend their dollars more wisely whenever I get the chance.

  36. Nothing to see here by JoltinJoe77 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All of the apps on any TVs I have personally used have been sluggish and slow to respond. Hooking a computer/media center/game console up to the TV and using apps hosted on those devices has always resulted in a much more pleasant experience for me and my friends. I doubt the introduction to Google apps on TVs will make an impact on anything.

  37. PS3? by Hardtrance · · Score: 1

    Will they be releasing a version for the PS3? Anything would be an improvement over the PS3s craptacular browser.

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  38. app this. by sdnoob · · Score: 1

    apps for your phone...

    apps for your mp3 player...

    apps for your tablet...

    apps for your ereader...

    apps for your video game console...

    now apps for your friggin' tv...

    i'm sick of apps.

  39. Integrated CE devices = bad idea by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    A million years ago, my friend and I both received stereo systems from our parents. Each system was from the same store and both made by the same company; his was an integrated system while mine was comprised of separate components. His single box of parts started failing within two years. My receiver lasted thirty years. The takeaway: the display should be just and only that; add functionality with stand-alone (second-generation) components.

  40. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, yes, I did have Linux on my PS3. I had it to experiment with the CBE as a signal processing engine, since that's what I do for a living.

    And not only am I shut out of PSN, I am shut out of any recent games, any new hardware such as Move, potentially out of new Blu-Ray disks, etc. - which I do because all work and no fun makes Wowbagger a dull boy.

    So yes, I DID lose (sorry, loose - I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable) something when Sony took away a feature that they had advertised, that was a part of our sales contract, and that was a part of why I did business with them.

  41. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    I had it to experiment with the CBE as a signal processing engine, since that's what I do for a living.

    Sounds interesting, I'm guessing the SPE's were pretty good at it.

    I had Linux on mine as well, though I'm not a programmer. And yes, I miss having Linux on it, it added more functionality to what was already a device with a lot of functionality. And it let the household get away with only 1 "traditional" x86 PC, since I didn't need to use the PC to do things like read my e-mail or read Slashdot. I was annoyed that SCEfoo decided to remove otherOS, but more annoyed at Geohot. He knew how crazy paranoid Sony's content creating divisions are about pirated content and he knew how shizophrenic Sony can be as a company with all it's varying divisions with their own agendas, he should have kept his mouth shut. Before firmware 3.21 hit, I contacted SCEA by phone and e-mail and begged them to reconsider.

    I held off on updating my PS3 as long as I could, but I missed PSN, so I got a cheap x86 box on Fry's to replace OtherOS and updated.

    something when Sony took away a feature that they had advertised, that was a part of our sales contract, and that was a part of why I did business with them.

    I never saw any advertisements for OtherOS, it got mentioned on Slashdot and other geek websites, but I never saw it mentioned in the mainstream press. And while Linux was one of the reasons I got a PS3, it was more of a bonus to the Blu-Ray playing, game playing and all the other things the PS3 does. I'm actually more annoyed that SCEfoo doesn't make CECHA's anymore, I had to settle for a CECHE, sure wasn't going to get a slim. That's another thing, there's plenty of people on Slashdot who complain about what the 3.21 firmware did, but far fewer complained about the Slim's inability to use OtherOS, though they did complain a bit about the Slim's lack of PS2 compatibility, probably because one of the biggest complaints about the PS3 was the price.

  42. Re:How long until Sony starts subtracting features by IrquiM · · Score: 1

    Meh... I just bought another one, so now I have one which I can run Linux on in my bedroom, and one up to date in my living room...

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