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IT's Last Hope — a Job In the Boonies?
GMGruman writes "Offshoring, cloud computing, automation, 'do more with less' — all of these have been chipping away at US IT workers' ability to have a job. But some companies now dangle a new possibility: Move to rural areas for lower-paying 'onshoring' jobs that can compete with lower overseas salaries. InfoWorld's Bob Violino talked to IT workers who've made the move and discovered that although it's no 'Green Acres meets Big Bang Theory' experience, a move from the big city to the hinterlands appeals mainly to just some IT worker segments, even as it provides new opportunities for others."
You might need to re-evaluate your notion of life in the boonies. Everyone I've known who has grown up in Bum Frick Nowhere has the same story... the only thing to do is drink and have sex. By the time people are done with high school, they have pretty much slept with everyone else in town. Although come to think of it, moving to the boonies would have the benefit of fresh meat syndrome. You'd be the one person everyone hadn't yet slept with, so you'd have your pick.
I don't think that the article is talking about the real boonies though. Any place that is large enough to maintain a good sized IT operation isn't the kind of boonies that I'm talking about.
Oops...supposed to be "and a chick population that hasn't been exposed to as many STD's as city girls (have) ???
Either way you say it, you truly must never have visited the heartland... clean water and untainted women are NOT its strong suit.
If you're not tied to the high-density lifestyle, making the change can be nice. I had a 20 year career in Silicon Valley and moved my family to the "boonies". Well, the suburbs of a small city in "flyover territory".
Housing is much cheaper ( 1/3 the cost), don't have the same crime or traffic. Energy is cheaper, groceries a little less. Much less "foot of government" regulation on our backs here. Taxes are comparable (by %).
Where we are, people are generally friendly. An hour to river-rafting or snow skiing, depending on the season. (we have actual seasons). Wide open spaces. Good schools. Surprisingly good food of all kinds.
On second thought, it's horrible here. You wouldn't like it. Trust me. Stay on the coasts.
clean water and untainted women are NOT its strong suit.
Hey man, if you can't taste the chlorine, how do you know it's clean?!?
(For those of you who have never been to a small town, the local water treatment plant often isn't up to our city slicker standards for taste)
I definately agree on this one. As someone who lives in a semi-rural area, the more rural you get, the more single mothers you tend to find...
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The biggest cost savings is in housing costs. Compare similarly sized places and you'll see a big win. Just don't trade up to a McMansion just because your payments will be similar to what you are doing now. Buy what you can be comfortable in.
Check on property taxes as they are really high in some states/counties and that could be a shock.
An advantage of moving to the suburbs of a smaller city in the hinterland is that you will generally have several options for tech employment.
Some of the small towns with 1 big tech employer will have different salary dynamics.
That's a low UID.... How come you still don't know this?
The employees have nowhere else to go, and you can pay minimum wage and really screw them over.
Worse than that. If the plant closes, everyone scrambles to move to another town. Housing values plummet. The only way to move is to let the bank foreclose on your house. Now your credit is ruined too.
It's a chain reaction seen over and over again in the Midwest. It's why so many country songs are about getting out of a small town.
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Lower cost of living? Ha! I am in a rural area, gas is 10 cents more per gallon than any place around because the fuel distributors all drink coffee together each morning and decide what the price of gas will be. Food is about 25 percent more locally because there is only one supermarket, and there are umpteen different taxing entities to pay off each year. Insurance is more, everything you really want or need is 40+ miles away, and housing is either a castle or an outhouse. If there is a lower cost of living in a rural area, it is not enough to make it the main reason to take a job there.
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That wasn't a grammar mistake, idiot. If you can't pay attention to small, simple bits of information, why should I think you can handle big stuff?
I work in IT for a company that is located in a rural area. They started their business here and as they have grown over the years, they remain here for their HQ, even though they are global now. It's terrible. Sure the lack of traffic is nice, but that is about all.
Here are some realities:
1. They want you to work as if you are in some overseas sweatshop.
2. They run beyond lean but with global reach that means essentially 12-20 hour days are the norm. No comp time.
3. They do not attract top talent because of their location, while some want to get away from the city, many do not.
4. They generally are looking to avoid things like unions and costs like healthcare... I was told by HR to not even use the healthcare and instead use the clinics in Walgreens, etc. (I am expected to work 50+ hours and travel like mad, and accep tthat even if I pay for healthcare I'd be better off at some pharmacy clinic for my health.)
5. Free parking. That's another plus. FWIW.
I've been in IT for over 15 years and the writing is on the wall, this industry has become a joke. If you value any semblance of a normal life and family it's almost impossible with 24x7 on-call, travel, running so lean there is nothing but bone, extreme pressure, slashed budgets... I could go on. I value my life and time more than a paycheck, and it's coming close to the point where I make a move out of IT and into something a bit more sane.
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from 5 years ago...
August 28, 2005 CrossUSA Gets National Attention I have had a few postings on the outsourcing of tech jobs to rural America, a couple of them mentioning CrossUSA. Here is a link to a SlashDot posting sourcing ABC.com. The article is standard information on CrossUSA but the conversation that follows that is very interesting.
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I live in Harrison, AR, population 12,152. We have several large businesses that need true IT help - FedEx Freight's home office is here, along with Claridge Products' headquarters, and several large manufacturing locations for various corporations.
This is the kind of town the OP is talking about - it's small, quiet, fairly low-income in general, but with good-paying IT jobs that no one is here to fill. In addition, you can get to Branson, MO in 30 minutes, or Springfield, MO in about an hour, so you're not totally deprived of the benefits of living in a larger community, if that's what you want.
Oh, and I hate it here some days. The current big issue is all the local churches trying to prevent the repeal of a ban on liquor stores in the county. Some of these people forgot that it isn't 1930, and "temperance" is not exactly a popular movement.
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I've lived in the boonies for the last 7 years or so... and most of what you noted varies greatly by place. In my case it isn't as bad as you note.
However: "crappy medical care. big cities have the good hospitals and doctors" +1 you are correct about this!
The hospitals in rural areas - even those in cities with populations of ~20k - tend to kill people for the stupidest reasons... the kill rate is far higher than that of big city hospitals. And since the coroner is a doctor who works for the hospital, they falsify the death certificate as to time and cause of death, so as to not reflect badly on the hospital.
Don't ask me how I know this.
Need 2 cars? No. I'm still only one person, and we still can't be in more than one place at a time. More miles? Not really, and they tend to be easier miles with less start & stop traffic.
Pay less in taxes? Yes. Still cover all the normal things, like garbage pickup.
Food more expensive? No. We have things called farmers markets and co-ops. Veggies, meats, dairy, and some fruits straight from the farm. Cheap and fresh. The supermarket in town isn't any more expensive, than supermarkets anywhere else.
Schools sucking? Not really. Smaller class sizes, less bureaucracy. Where you went to K-12 doesn't really matter much for your "top 10% of earners"; as long as you can pass the standardized tests and pay for it, you can still go to most any college you want.
Starbucks? There's one about 20 minutes away, but I'd consider that to be "mass produced crap"
Whole Foods? Again, one about 45 minutes away, but why would I bother when I can get fresher and better quality foods right off the farm?
There's plenty to do when you're not working, it's just DIFFERENT things to do.
Internet access? I still have my choice of cable or dsl; no worse of a choice than the closest city.
Crappy medical care? Not really. Doctors here are knowledgeable enough, and the city 30 minutes away has a dozen or so hospitals to choose from -- everything from really shitty inner city hospitals that are constantly on the verge of being shut down due to nasty conditions, to a children's hospital serving several states, to a couple of different research hospitals associated with universities with pretty good medical programs.
I'll take my boonies over your city any day of the week, and twice on days that end in 'y'.