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Norwegian Day Traders Convicted For Manipulating Computer Trading System
An anonymous reader submits news of the conviction of two Norwegian day traders, Svend Egil Larsen and Peder Veiby, who were on Wednesday fined and given suspended sentences (Norwegian court, Norwegian document) for cleverly working out — and cashing in on — the way the computerized trading system of Interactive Brokers subsidiary Timber Hill would respond to certain trades. They used the system's predictable responses to manipulate the value of low-priced stocks. The pair have gotten some sympathetic reactions from around the world, and promise to appeal.
They were convicted of manipulating the computer system. They were convicted for getting caught (and not hiring a better lawyer).
"The pair have gotten some sympathetic reactions from around the world, and promise to appeal."
A single blog entry from a seeming lunatic does not 'reactions from around the world' make.
Norwegians convicted for outwitting trading system
By Andrew Ward in Stockholm
Published: October 13 2010 19:17 | Last updated: October 13 2010 19:17
Two Norwegian day traders have been handed suspended prison sentences for market manipulation after outwitting the automated trading system of a big US broker.
The two men worked out how the computerised system would react to certain trading patterns - allowing them to influence the price of low-volume stocks.
The case, involving Timber Hill, a unit of US-based Interactive Brokers, comes amid growing scrutiny of automated trading systems after the so-called "flash crash" in May, when a single algorithm triggered a plunge in US stocks.
Svend Egil Larsen and Peder Veiby had won admiration from many Norwegians ahead of the court case for their apparent victory for man over machine.
Prosecutors said Mr Larsen and Mr Veiby "gave false and misleading signals about supply, demand and prices" by manipulating several Norwegian stocks through Timber Hill's online trading platform.
Anders Brosveet, lawyer for Mr Veiby, acknowledged that his client had learnt how Timber Hill's trading algorithm would behave in response to certain trades but denied this amounted to market manipulation. "They had an idea of how the computer would change the prices but that does not make them responsible for what the computer did," he told the Financial Times. Both men have vowed to appeal against their convictions.
Messages posted on Norwegian internet forums on Wednesday indicated widespread sympathy for the defendants. "It is the trading robots that should be brought to justice when it is them that cause so much wild volatility in the markets," said one post.
Mr Veiby, who made the most trades, was sentenced to 120 days in prison, suspended for two years, and fined NKr165,000 ($28,500). Mr Larsen received a 90-day suspended sentence and a fine of NKr105,000.
The fines were about equal to the profits made by each man from the illegal trades.
Christian Stenberg, the Norwegian police attorney responsible for the case, said any admiration for the men was misplaced. "This is a new kind of manipulation but it is still at the expense of other investors in the market," he said.
Interactive Brokers declined to comment.
Irregular trading patterns were first spotted by the Oslo stock exchange and referred to Norway's financial regulator.
The computer is an actor, empowered by the trading house to make trades for them. It is an agent of a conscious entity.
Your analogy falls apart there, because a gun is a passive item.
This is more like poking a beehive with a stick and collecting the small amounts of honey that drip out. And then the bees got pissed.
Rumour has it that these guys realised that there was a flawed algorithm (which turns out to have been operated by Timber Hill) making a market in illiquid shares, which set its quotes based either on the prices at which recent trades in those shares had been done, or on the algorithm's own position in the stock.
To give some background: if you are making a market in a stock, that means you are prepared to buy from people who want to sell and sell to people who want to buy. Unless you're feeling particularly generous, you want to buy at a "low" price and sell at a "high" price. In liquid markets (i.e. where there are lots of people buying and selling), you can typically rely on the market mid price (i.e. the best bid plus the best offer, divided by two) and "spread" off that (e.g. add a cent to it to get your ask, subtract a cent from it to get your bid). As the market (i.e. the mid price) moves up and down, you can adjust your bid/ask to follow it and, if you end up buying or selling stock, you can adjust your bid/ask to make it more likely that your quotes get hit/lifted to flatten out your position (e.g. if someone hit your bid and sold you shares, you would probably lower both your bid and your offer, in relation to the market, to make it more likely that someone will buy the shares off you and less likely that you'll buy more shares).
However, in illiquid markets and, in particular, in markets where you are the only market-maker, you may not be able to rely on a market mid, because you are the market, so it's up to you to set the price.
So, let's say you start off with a quote of 99.99/100.01 and a quantity of 10,000 on each side. I come in and lift your ask (i.e. I submit an order to buy at 100.01, which matches against your ask) to the tune of 1,000 shares (i.e. I buy 1,000 shares from you). You are now "short" 1,000 shares, so you might adjust your price to make your bid more attractive to potential sellers - i.e. you change your quote to 100.00/100.02 - and you keep quoting with a 10,000 quantity on either side.
I buy another 1000 shares from you. You shift your quote to 100.01/100.03
I buy another 1000 shares from you. You shift your quote to 100.02/100.04
I buy another 1000 shares from you. You shift your quote to 100.03/100.05
I now own a total of 4000 shares, for which I paid a total of [(1000*100.01)+(1000*100.02)+(1000*100.03)+(1000*100.04)=] 400,100
I now hit your bid and sell you back all 4000 shares at 100.03 for a total of 400,120
I just made myself $20. Thanks very much. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Now, you can see how some people might claim that I'm manipulating the market because I'm issuing orders into the market with the intent/expecation that the price will move as a result. But it's all a bit of a grey area.
However, I might argue that I'm merely taking advantage of bids and offers that are already in the market. If the market-maker on the other side wants to quote prices that allow me to make a profit (or, more accurately, if he's been stupid enough to roll out a market-making algorithm that does that), then why shouldn't I take advantage of it?
If this is what happened, then I'm surprised that Timber Hill decided to make an issue of it. If I'd been that stupid, I probably wouldn't want to draw everyone's attention to it. I would put the loss (which is this case appears to have been kless than $70k) down to experience, fix my algorithm and move on.
People/banks/brokerages/traders/hedge funds do make mistakes like this. A long, long time ago, when I was younger and far more stupid than I am now, I once gave a trader a market-making algorithm that used the market
Liquidity is not provided because the HFT bid/offers get withdrawn.
A HFT is like a shop assistant getting a (tiny) cut of each transaction they process. They sit in between buyers and sellers collecting pennies, like market makers but without having to guarantee a market.
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I don't think it's actually banned, they just ask you to leave if they find out you can do it successfully. They encourage people to try it, as people trying and failing means more cash for the casino.
Ukrainian stock trader here: It's LEGAL in Ukraine!
Except there's almost no profit from trading stocks in here, also we have to cope with huge taxes.
Bullshit, I've seen the prices move by more than 15% either way with absolutely no cause or warning. Download TD Amerittrade's QuoteTracker if you want to see for yourself.
I am Norwegian, soon-to-be a lawyer and a computer scientist ( with some experience with day trading, eps. in the norwegian market )
As many of you have pointed out, and wanted to know: What are these young men charged with and convicted of ? Is it winning over an algo? Outwitting another "player in the market" ? Winning over the "big guys" ?
Of course not. It is not illegal to be smart, nor to make money in the stock market by "outwitting" someone - or something.
In the Norwegian court document refereed to, the parties admits that the trading algo used in this case was of "first generation" and was not particularly advanced. It did not learn, and was easily manipulated.
The law of which their were convicted says ( loosely translated ) something like this : [it is illeagal to] "by illegally execute market manipulation with financial instruments, by submitting orders in the market or execute transactions which gives, or is capable of giving, false or misleading signals about the supply(offer), demand or price on financial instruments".
They are charged with, not manipulating the alog itself, but the whole market _through their transactions_ with the algo. They _knew_ what was going to happen by doing what they did - the prices would rise on buy and the opposite on sell. They (maliciously) exploited this, but at the same time, manipulated the price in the market as a whole, which is illegal by Norwegian law. ( I and would guess, in the majority, if not all, jurisdictions)
This conviction was also given by the District(lower) Court in Norway. The Appellate Court and most likely also the Supreme Court of Norway will have their saying before this case is over.
Machine learning. Computers may not program themselves, but we can easily program them to poke the world and respond according to a reward function. In fact, it's a big area of research.
If this is what happened, then I'm surprised that Timber Hill decided to make an issue of it. If I'd been that stupid, I probably wouldn't want to draw everyone's attention to it. I would put the loss (which is this case appears to have been kless than $70k) down to experience, fix my algorithm and move on.
It must be noted that TMB did not react or care at all. It was Oslo Stock Exchange (OSE) who made an issue of this and made The National Authority for Investigation and Prosecution of Economic and Environmental Crime in Norway (ØKOKRIM) take it to court. Timber Hill has made no comment, refused to appear in court and generally appear to want this to quietly go away.
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation