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MS Gives Free Licenses To Oppressed Nonprofits

victorl19 writes "Microsoft is vastly expanding its efforts to prevent governments from using software piracy inquiries as a pretext to suppress dissent. It plans to provide free software licenses to more than 500,000 advocacy groups, independent media outlets and other nonprofit organizations in 12 countries with tightly controlled governments, including Russia and China."

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  1. Re:Not costing them anything. by shriphani · · Score: 5, Insightful

    yeah because it is almost everyday that a large software vendor aims to reduce someone's level of suffering by not collecting any $$ on their product.

  2. Re:Not costing them anything. by igny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So basically, they're taking a bunch of organizations in countries that probably have a 95% or higher piracy rate, and giving them free licenses.

    So it's costing Microsoft essentially squat, but potentially improves human rights in said countries.

    Commendable, but not exactly as philanthropic as MS probably wants to come across as....

    The kew word is potentially. In reality it does squat, period. The governments can always find other pretexts to raid NGOs. There are other software companies, not just MS, products of which could be pirated too.

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  3. Microsoft always encouraged piracy. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft fundamentally believes there are some who will never pay for the software. Crackdown too hard on them or be too successful in preventing piracy, they might defect to Linux and open free software. So it did not try too hard to fight piracy. But the dissenters in oppressed countries might better served by specific hardened distros from Linux camp than by the free offerings from Microsoft. You never know if it has shown the source code to these governments or allowed them to install back doors.

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    1. Re:Microsoft always encouraged piracy. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      But the dissenters in oppressed countries might better served by specific hardened distros from Linux camp than by the free offerings from Microsoft. You never know if it has shown the source code to these governments or allowed them to install back doors.

      You assume that dissenters (specifically, opposition NGOs, since that's what this story is about) engage in some kind of activity which they need to keep hidden from their governments.

      This is not the case. I don't know, there may well be some real underground in both Russia and China, but NGOs are usually officially registered organizations that, while working towards some goals counter to the "party line", do so openly rather than undercover. They're not revolutionaries - their goal is not an armed uprising, but, usually, spreading the word (preferably via legal means), providing legal assistance to specific victims of state oppression, campaigning for law reforms, and so on.

      I don't know how it is in China, but in Russia most opposition NGOs are already accused of being directly funded by CIA/Mossad/whatnot, and of acting solely in the interests of those powers to "dismantle the country and sell it to the West". For all the load of bullshit that it is, enough people believe it - and if those guys actually start to use hard crypto, or otherwise actively show that they have "something to hide", this will give all the proof the government needs to officially classify them as espionage fronts and crack down hard, under the cheers of the majority of the populace.

      Another aspect of this is social... most folk in those places are not particularly knowledgeable in IT. I've helped a few with minor things in the past (basically just consulting), and I haven't seen any who could e.g. set up a Linux server on their own. Nor do they have the inclination - and, more importantly, the time and resources - to learn, since they have their hands full of more pressing stuff (like, well, documenting human rights violations, electoral fraud etc).

  4. Re:Not costing them anything. by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, what else would you expect them to do? Recently, Russia was raiding the offices of politically undesirable organizations using software piracy as an excuse, and Microsoft lawyers were involved. Microsoft had stopped agreeing to press charges once it became obvious that the government was just using them as an excuse. Now, they're going ever further than they already had and being explicit about who they are giving licenses to.

    Just because it doesn't cost them anything doesn't mean it isn't still worth something. And providing free licenses is a big step up from not prosecuting pirates. They'll be able to get software updates and security patches, which will cut down on the amount of out-of-date, exploitable software out there to become part of spam bots, which is good for everyone.

  5. Re:Repost by cappp · · Score: 3, Informative
    Nope. It's an update. Look at the date of the story on NYTimes, it's 2 days ago. More importantly, it adds new info' - specifically

    But it is now extending the program to other countries: eight former Soviet republics — Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan — as well as China, Malaysia and Vietnam. Microsoft executives said they would consider adding more.

    If anything we now know that Microsoft was a little deceptive when they previously said they were creating a blanket license, clearly it's based on territory and limited in scope. That's not to say its a bad thing, but certainly not what was originally sold.

  6. Anything... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... to prevent them from switching to free and open software.

    Microsoft, in its recent press efforts, has shown it is very concerned about free and open software. So now Microsoft is trying to disguise itself as a free and open software vendor. A crack dealer will give away free samples to obtain and retain a customer......

    1. Re:Anything... by T+Murphy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair, if your oppressive government uses the software piracy pretext, "we use Linux" probably won't stop them from raiding the place (it would be treated the same as "but we paid for Windows"). Removing the pretext by making piracy a non-issue actually has some effect (how much of an effect depends on how much the government cares about having a plausible excuse). Yes, if everyone used Linux piracy would also be a non-issue, but unfortunately that isn't a realistic expectation.

  7. That's so nice of them. by droidsURlooking4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Linux should really do this too. Oh, wait..

  8. Re:Not costing them anything. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.goehner.com/piracyru.htm

    First paragraph:

    In Russia alone, with an estimated 94% software piracy rate...

    Ok...so I was off by one percentage point.

    http://www.chinatechnews.com/2009/05/14/9758-bsa-software-piracy-rate-down-to-80-in-china

    So China is down to 80%, according to the BSA. Not that I trust their figures, but anyway...according to the same article,

    there are seven countries where the software piracy rate is still over 90%, including Georgia, Bangladesh, Armenia, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Azerbaijan, and Moldova.

    Now we look at the list of countries MS is providing free software to, according to the article:

    Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan — as well as China, Malaysia and Vietnam.

    At least a couple of countries appear in both lists. So a good portion of these countries are over 90% piracy. Maybe not all of them, but a significant amount.

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  9. Re:Repost by kholburn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not a repost. They seem to want to escape PR of this http://tinyurl.com/2usjw6p [yhrm.org] has a link to a letter sent back ~April 15 2010.

    They could end up being accused of interfering in internal politics of another country by subsidising dissident groups.

    No good way out of this really.

  10. Re:Not costing them anything. by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "To you, maybe, but Microsoft could bankrupt itself inventing a machine that causes piles of food to appear in every village in Africa at the push of a button, and it wouldn't come across as philanthropic to Slashdot."

    Hey, the guy or girl you're replying to does not speak for slashdot. Neither do I, just to set the record straight.

    I don't like MS. I don't like their business practices. I don't like their efforts to frame things like .Net as cross platform. I don't like them when they're actively trying to screw things up for the FOSS world, and I don't like them when they're pretending to be friends. I have mixed feelings about their OS and office products and I try not to spend too much time using either.

    All that said, well done Microsoft for this move. This is a good thing. It's perhaps not going to stop bad governments raiding some of these NGOs, but it does remove one more way they could try and cover it up and pretend it was reasonable.

  11. Re:Repost by Anpheus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Previously the "blanket" license applied in Russia. They're adding it to more countries.

    That's not deceptive. That's you calling it deceptive.

  12. Re:This is pretty straightforward by Anpheus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Russian government treats copyright law as a criminal, as opposed to civil matter. The Russians would ask Microsoft if they were all licensed up, and Microsoft's people in the area were saying "no", probably because they didn't have enough pull to say "yes" within Microsoft.

    It's typical bureaucracy. When the negative PR reached Redmond, they were like, "Whaaaaaa?" and responded by saying all NGOs in Russia are licensed, period.

    Microsoft is now expanding the program in other countries where they suspect similar tactics may be used. How shameful.

  13. Geezus guys, who gives a frak if it benefits M$?!! by LazLong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the Russian gov't is doing to the political opposition is criminal. Odds are that M$'s motives aren't pure as I'm sure someone, if not the originator of the idea, knew M$ would get good PR in the West for their actions. If one grants that their ulterior motives are impure it only underscores the beauty of what M$ is doing: Giving the Russian gov't a dose of their own medicine. What M$ is doing is along the same lines as Russia in that they are both doing something that they know will get good PR in the West but with 'hidden' self-serving ulterior motives. Russia deserves a dose of its own medicine. Kudos to M$ for poking the Russian gov't in the eye, even if M$ gets some benefit from it!

    To those who point out the possibility/fact that Russia will just find some other pretext to appear to be legally cracking down on the Oligarchy's enemies, this doesn't mean that simply rolling over and giving up because that could/will happen is the correct course of action. If the opposition does that, then Russia will just continue to be the frakked up entity it has been since at least the time of Kievan Rus'.

  14. harsh treatment by cas2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    wow, that's harsh.

    it would be far less cruel to just leave them to the tender mercies of the secret police and torture squads.

  15. Re:Repost by cappp · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not quite. They explicity stated that they'd

    issue a blanket software license to nonprofit groups and journalist groups outside the U.S.

    Now maybe they meant only Russia but it doesn't take much to read that statement as applying globally. An ambiguity I'm sure they didn't mind.

  16. Re:Repost by billsayswow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a huge difference between a statement that's easy to misinterpret, and deliberately misinterpreting a statement.

  17. Re:Repost by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hate to tell you this, but itworld.com is not an official Microsoft outlet. What Microsoft actually said was:

    One challenge, however, is that some NGOs in a number of countries, including Russia, are unaware of our program or do not know how to navigate its logistical processes, which involves ordering the donated software through a Microsoft partner. We'll solve this problem by providing a unilateral NGO Software License that runs automatically from Microsoft to NGOs and covers the software already installed on their PCs. We'll make this new, non-transferable license applicable to NGOs in a number of countries, including in Russia.

    So they started in a few (mostly unnamed) countries and now they have expanded it.

  18. Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For anyone who wants to see the link without being prompted to register to nytimes.com:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/world/17russia.html

  19. Re:Not costing them anything. by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm, but the source would still be closed after the mass suicide? Not good enough I'm afraid.

  20. Re:Repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please don't use URL shortners. Im not gonna click that link, and a good portion of other people are not going to click that link. The information you were trying to spread is not being spread.

    You take what very well may be an informative post, and relegated it to possibly being a trollish goatse post. It would be like taking a samsung dvd player and rebranding it as a $generic_brand. No one is gonna buy it, we all think its no good. No one is gonna click your link because it looks like $generic_goatse

  21. Re:Repost by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree that the principle is bad. Apart from the lack of information in the link name, it doubles the number of servers involved and will break the way back machine. However, in the particular case of tinyurl it's worth knowing that if you go to their homepage you can set things so that you see the URL before visiting it.

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  22. Re:Repost by Sean+Hederman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What should they do exactly?

    "We are terribly sorry to hear that a tiny number itworld reader have misinterpreted their misreporting of our original statement and unfortunately came to the mistaken conclusion that we had given this license worldwide. In order to rectify this horrible mistake (since it's unfair that we gain any advantage from people's misunderstanding), we will be cutting our marketing budget to compensate. But when people mistake what we're saying in a NEGATIVE light, then that's okay, and we must just take that on the chin"

  23. Re:Okay, I'll play. by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Funny

    > America sucks. Where's my free copy of Office 2010?

    Since the hate crime you committed against America is kind of grave, the free copy of Office 2010 is an insufficient punishment, I suggest they give you also free office 2007 and 2003 plus sources and the full ooxml specs.

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  24. Re:Not costing them anything. by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The kew word is potentially. In reality it does squat, period. The governments can always find other pretexts to raid NGOs. There are other software companies, not just MS, products of which could be pirated too.

    So, because Microsoft can't stop all potential human rights abuses, they should just do nothing?

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