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Ontario School Bans Wi-Fi

St. Vincent Euphrasia elementary school in Meaford, Ont. is the latest Canadian school to decide to save its students from the harmful effects of Wi-Fi by banning it. Schools from universities on down have a history of banning Wi-Fi in Ontario. As usual, health officials and know-it-all scientists have called the move ridiculous. Health Canada has released a statement saying, "Wi-Fi is the second most prevalent form of wireless technology next to cell phones. It is widely used across Canada in schools, offices, coffee shops, personal dwellings, as well as countless other locations. Health Canada continues to reassure Canadians that the radiofrequency energy emitted from Wi-Fi equipment is extremely low and is not associated with any health problems."

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  1. Breaking News: by Even+on+Slashdot+FOE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People refuse to do things that their doctors say are safe!
    For our next story people insist that the things doctors say are bad for you are actually the best things to do ever!

    1. Re:Breaking News: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm a Doctor (Doctor of Chiropractic)
       
      Honest truth: the Medical Industry wants to make a society of dependant sheep. Sheep that go for their regular checkups (ca-ching) and buy the Big Pharma meds (ca-ching)
       
      Eat well, exercise and get regular chiropractic adjustments to keep your nervous system functioning at peak efficiency. You'll never get heart disease or cancer.

    2. Re:Breaking News: by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chiropractors are not doctors. They're phonies with made-up degrees. You might as well call a gardener a doctor. Actually, a gardener probably has a greater degree of knowledge of biology than a chiropractor.

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    3. Re:Breaking News: by jgagnon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Skeletal engineer then? :p

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    4. Re:Breaking News: by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Skeletal engineer then? :p

      No... crackpot.

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    5. Re:Breaking News: by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Chiropractic health professionals either deal with the skeletal system or with bullshit. Some of them you walk into the office, they know everything about all ligaments, tendons, joints, bone structure, etc; and they can throw you under an X-ray and point out all the stress points from your posture and all long-term damage done from you always sitting wrong. They can also supply physical therapy, nudging the joints here and there to straighten things out that have gone a bit awry.

      The bullshit artists are the ones that want you to believe all ailments are cured by chiropractic practice, which the parent seems to be.

    6. Re:Breaking News: by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's why he posted as AC, of course.

      The last thing you want is a bunch of angry chiropractors after you. Those guys can snap your neck like THAT.

    7. Re:Breaking News: by RapmasterT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not true. They're scientifically proven to be effective at pain relief, at a minimum. I'm not willing to take it so far as the other claims, but if you're out of whack and in pain, they can certainly help you. "NOTHING" is proven false. Look it up.

      they are "scientifically proven" to be as effective as placebo at treating subjective symptoms. It's basically the same effect as having your mommy kiss your booboo. You've received "treatment" from a "doctor", and now you "feel better". Some people are willing to grant the stamp of effective to placebo treatments, I am not.

      Chiropractic fails utterly at treating anything that can actually be measures objectively, and that's on top of the entire PREMISE of the treatment being scientifically unsound.

      The best you can hope for from a visit to a chiropractor is the equivalent of a massage, except that you're virtually guaranteed not to get a happy ending.

  2. Rational decision by school administration? by jddimarco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This may, in fact, be a rational decision by the school's administration. While the health dangers due to wifi may not be real, the (often irrational) fear that some people (e.g. parents) have of wifi is, unfortunately, very real. If enough people are sufficiently afraid, and their fear is causing a great deal of difficulty, banning wifi may be the most straightforward solution, especially if wifi isn't mission-critical for that particular school.

    1. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by Wizzo1138 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then you would have them ban immunizations for children based on the same logic?

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    2. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by Sprouticus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or you could tell them they are being stupid and ignore their hysterics. That is more straight forward and takes less time. Not to mention you can still use WiFi.

    3. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by Wizzo1138 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obviously not, and there's a certain level of sarcasm there. But the underlying point is valid - you don't want to make decisions just because the irrational minority makes a lot of noise.

      In this case it's probably not worth dealing with them over something as insignificant as WiFi, but figuring out when something is important enough to fight for is the difficult question.

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    4. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by Altus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed there is, in fact I believe there are 2 of them. Mind you they only protect against a few varieties of HPV (with some overlap between the two I believe) but the ones covered include the ones that have the greatest chance of causing cervical cancer.

      These vaccines have only been tested on women (no reason to believe they don't work on men, but last I checked that was off label) and your insurance generally wont cover the vaccine if you are over a certain age.

      Sure, no reason to give the vaccine to 2 year olds, but kids get sexually active fairly early in life and cervical cancer is pretty bad, so why not vaccinate. I know if I had daughters I would have them vaccinated.

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    5. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine

      And yes, despite the fact that it can prevent cancer we still have opposition to it.

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    6. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by SecurityGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it's not a solution to anything. It's giving in to baseless and irrational fear, which does nothing but promote baseless and irrational fear.

      This is why I have a black cat. It keeps stupid people out of my house.

    7. Re:Rational decision by school administration? by DurendalMac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, let's all give in to alarmist idiots who have no idea how science works and just jump on every lunatic theory bandwagon. Sounds like a great idea.

      Or you could try to demonstrate how wifi is utterly harmless. Those who consistently refuse to listen can take their snowflakes out of school if they want.

  3. Re:Summary wording by Nutria · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's even more ridiculous is the loaded wording of the summary.

    I think he was being sarcastic...

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  4. Re:Wait a minute... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, we should not simply block the sun. We should switch it off.
    * It runs on nuclear (fusion) power.
    * It generates radioactivity.
    * It is responsible for many cases of skin cancer.
    * It is the power source for hurricanes, which cause lots of damage.
    * Its radiation plays a major role in the chemical processes which cause the ozone hole.
    * It is already known that one day it will destroy the Earth.

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  5. It's not the energy by thethibs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As usual, Health Canada gets it wrong.

    It's not that the signal is low energy, it's that the radiation is not at a frequency that can do any damage.

    They could boost the power to the point where it boiled the water in your cells. That's what it would take to do damage, because the wavelength is too long to break chemical bonds. That's the neat thing about quantum mechanics; if one photon can't do any damage, neither can a thousand photons.

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    1. Re:It's not the energy by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ionizing radiation doesn't give you headaches and inability to concentrate that goes away on weekends. Exposure to RF at microwave oven, heating-up-your-brain levels could do so a lot more plausibly than ionizing radiation.

      Hmmm, not really. Most peoples brains are very well provided with blood vessels. Good luck cooking a living mammal brain.

      On the other hand, your eyes cornea has very little cooling capacity. Its not difference of a few percent, its a difference of a couple orders of magnitude. Cooked corneas are not transparent, as a generation or two of radar repairmen accidents have unfortunately proven.

      Blasting enough RF to cause heatstroke like effects to the brain over a long term period, are almost certainly high enough to cause instantaneous permanent blindness.

      Suddenly blind people don't really pay attention to a slight headache.

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  6. Re:Wired FAIL? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is because the average person is an uneducated half-wit, who can be scaremongered by cranks and crooks (look at the whole MMR vaccine-autism "controversy").

    If people are that concerned about radiation, then I suggest they move into salt mines and pray to whatever deity they hold dearest that neutrinos do indeed only interact weakly with other matter.

    Fucking stupid rubes. What a pack of retards.

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  7. So in case it's not clear... by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Canadian government is saying "Whoa, seriously, people, wi-fi won't kill you."

    It's the crazy admin folk in charge of these specific schools that are making the rest of us look bad.

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  8. Re:Wired FAIL? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's okay, but this quote is WAY better:

    "A group of Ontario parents dubbed the Simcoe County Safe School Committee believes Wi-Fi transmitters in schools may be responsible for a host of symptoms their kids show -- from headaches to an inability to concentrate -- all of which disappear on weekends."

    In grade eight my mother noticed that I tended to be sick on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Rather than blaming the t-ness of those days, she correctly deduced that those were the days I had health class with the evil principal.

    I wonder how many of those kids have wifi at home?

  9. Re:problem by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, it's normal to ban something if it's been proven to be harmful, but I can't think of anything that hasn't been banned because there's no proof that it isn't harmful.

    Part of the problem with that is that everybody seems to want to start with the position that "this is safe unless you can irrefutably prove otherwise", and they go ahead and load everything up with chemicals/whatever and assume it's safe. Which does lead to stuff that you might expect to be dangerous being used until someone can prove it is dangerous. Pharma companies do it all the time, and, have been proven to have lied about risks they knew were there. Think Thalidamide, for instance.

    I don't always trust people when they say "oh, sure, this radioactive corn with spiders-silk genes must be perfectly healthy there's no proof to the contrary". The companies introducing these things want us to believe that their chemicals are safe, but it's all discovered after-the-fact.

    Assuming everything is safe generally leads to companies pursuing profit with absolutely no regard for if their product is safe. Then they get the rules changed so they're not actually required to tell you about what's actually in it because it hasn't yet been proven to be a possible risk. I wouldn't trust Monsanto on any claims they make about product safety, and I think that to a certain extent, companies should be doing more testing before they release it to the market.

    You can go ahead and eat the experimental green goo -- personally, I'd rather they had to put it on the label so I could choose, instead of just saying that it hasn't been proven harmful. It's too damned late by the time they 'discover' that a something we've never tested is, in fact, dangerous.

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  10. Re:Wired FAIL? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't tell them the rock is radioactive.

  11. Irrational beliefs by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK /. help me match the list of irrational beliefs with the county.

    Canadians think RF affects the body in a non-thermal way, which is hilarious.

    South Koreans believe in fan death

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death

    (North Koreans don't have the electricity to run the fans...)

    USA has all kinds of irrational beliefs vaguely revolving around religion, abstinence education works, creation science etc.

    Any other "funny" ones?

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  12. Re:Wait a minute... by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Informative

    No. The sun does not have sufficient mass to overcome degeneracy pressure and collapse into a black hole.

  13. Re:Wait a minute... by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. The sun does not have sufficient mass to overcome degeneracy pressure and collapse into a black hole.

    And even if it did, the resulting black hole would be the same mass as the sun, so the Earth would maintain orbit. People tend to think black holes are cosmic vacuum cleaners and just grab anything and everything; they're not.

  14. Re:ignorance is too common by twidarkling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since there's been studies where these "electrosensitives" were placed in Faraday cages, but told they weren't in one, still had symptoms, and when they were placed in places they were told blocked signals, but didn't, and still "got better," yeah, I think that it's okay to think people like that are full of shit.

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  15. Re:Wait a minute... by meerling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still haven't seen any mentions of wifi allergies that actually passed a double blind test (heck, even a single blind test), but I have seen large numbers of reports in scientific and medical publications where they failed the tests. So I'm really amazed at the horrible symptoms people can generate to plague themselves when they think something else is to blame.