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In Florida, a Cell Phone Network With No Need For a Spectrum License

holy_calamity writes "Technology Review reports on a cell phone network in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, like no other. Instead of paying to reserve a section of wireless spectrum its owner, xG Technology, uses cognitive radios that steer signals through the unlicensed 900MHz band more normally used by cordless phones and baby monitors. The radios in both handset and base station scan for gaps left by other devices in that band and make dynamic connections that constantly hop frequencies to ensure a good link. The network is designed to show off the tech, which the company says could be used in conventional cellphones to access extra spectrum or white spaces devices."

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  1. So what's the range by drachenstern · · Score: 3, Funny

    and does it use a lot of "femto-cell" style towers? It would seemingly have to. Meaning, how well would it work in a car?

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    1. Re:So what's the range by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Informative

      900Mhz is the most popular GSM band in Europe and most of the rest of the world. My mobile operator uses it, and it works very well in my car. I guess that means it would be illegal to use this phone in most parts of the world.

    2. Re:So what's the range by zn0k · · Score: 3, Informative

      The 900Mhz ISM band is free to use in region 2 (the Americas, Greenland, and part of the Pacific Islands).

  2. It isn't going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's never going to work in the long term. I work for a wireless ISP, and our 900 mhz band is getting killed by utility/electriticy companies rolling out things like smart electric meters that exist in every home and do the same thing: hunt for the least noisy band and transmit. We've seen noise floors in the -40s straight across the spectrum on our worse days. We can't beat the noise more than a couple of miles from a cell tower using fixed, directional antennas. What makes them think they can beat it with tiny, handheld devices?

    1. Re:It isn't going to work by snowraver1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would mod you Informative, and I have the points, but I'll be damned if I can find the apply moderation button to make it take effect.
      br>Also, why am I now being forced to preview? Maybe I like making errors.

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    2. Re:It isn't going to work by maxume · · Score: 5, Informative

      They changed the name of a pref from 'Use Classic' to 'Dynamic Discussion', defaulted it to 'yes' and made it so that it can only be accessed (as far as I have found) from the prefs that pop up with the button on the bottom of the comments pages.

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    3. Re:It isn't going to work by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Informative

      The ISP I worked for (and managed the network operations of) mucked around with 900mhz band proprietary WiFi and it was, for the most part, a total disaster. The worst came when the guy whose apartment was immediately below our antenna went out and got some sort of 900mhz cordless phone that just splattered horribly over that area of spectrum, taking everything down with it. My boss literally went out and bought the guy a 2.4ghz phone just to stop it. Then the pager tower near one of our other antennas went crazy and started spewing forth over that bit of spectrum too.

      We were told by the supplier that their equipment could pick the holes in the 900mhz unlicensed band, but so far as I could tell, anything beyond fairly mild interference just made the whole system highly unreliable. Hell, the last 900mhz cordless phone I bought when we were stilling living in an apartment was constantly picking up other phone calls.

      I didn't know dick about radio at the time, but asked my boss why weren't going with 802.11b (which had just become available not to long before, and was up in the 2.4ghz range and had a growing number of WiFi devices that could talk to it, meaning we didn't have to rent out custom WiFi units to our customers). He liked the proprietary stuff because it was more secure (true enough, from an obscurity point of view, though I don't think it was encrypted) and because he wasn't relying on the 802.11 access control methods (though he had no problem with a Radius server for our dialups).

      The 900mhz bands are just to bloody dirty and too congested.

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    4. Re:It isn't going to work by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Came in here to mention this. I worked for a WISP a couple of years ago, and while it was in a rural area in Kansas (but i repeat myself) we were already aware of possible issues with public spectrum transmissions and signal-hopping competition from god only knows what. We had a 900mhz unit in town, aimed at an AP on the other side of town with a clear LOS (i dont know why they did this is town, it happened before I was there) and we couldnt get it to work for our life. We had a spectrum analyzer and couldnt even get a lock on what was causing the issue.

      Stuff outside of town aimed at the AP worked dandy, but nothing in the city limits.

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    5. Re:It isn't going to work by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, why am I now being forced to preview? Maybe I like making errors.

      Slashdot wasn't losing users at a fast enough rate, so this is part of a new program to piss those of us off that have been here for many years, and get us to finally leave forever. It is about to work.

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    6. Re:It isn't going to work by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you. Finally restored the old, crappy, but understood format. I wish Slashdot would spend less time writing code, and more time reading and editing articles if they really want to improve the site. I'm just hanging by a thread as it is.

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    7. Re:It isn't going to work by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then you would need to, well license the device that they indeed comply to the "regulations". The the point of the unlicensed band is that you don't need a FCC (full) license, but you may get interference and its not anyone else problem.

      Also because of the interference problem, IIRC it was ruled that a commercial operator cannot use the ISM bands for a cell network in Canada. This is not the first time its been tried.

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  3. From the article . . . by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Informative

    the system could augment emerging networks that operate in the unlicensed "white spaces" recently freed up by the end of analog TV broadcasts

    The only channels "freed up" when US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage. These gadgets are verboten from broadcasting in that area.

    A recent study by University of California-Berkeley academics revealed how the density of TV stations in metropolitan areas could reduce the availability of white spaces in such areas.

    That's true. The "whitespace" idea only works in rural regions, not heavily-populated areas like the North, northeast, or mid-atlantic which use every channel from 1-51 (including the FM band).

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    1. Re:From the article . . . by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      >>>There are more than 51 channels, there are 68 (2-69).

      Judas Priest. Can't you read? Quote: "When US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage." At one time there USED to be 82 channels (2-83) but everything from 52 up has been deprecated and no longer exist as channels.

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    2. Re:From the article . . . by camperslo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's true. The "whitespace" idea only works in rural regions, not heavily-populated areas like the North, northeast, or mid-atlantic which use every channel from 1-51 (including the FM band).

      Note that Channel 37 is not used for over the air tv broadcasting in North America and the few other uses area very limited (things like low-power indoor hospital equipment. It's being kept very quiet for those listening for interesting things from deep space. The signal that one would get on Earth from a hand-held garage door remote on the moon would be comparable to a very strong signal from deep space. The spectrum has to be kept very quiet to be able to hear faint signals, so scratch channel 37.

      I'm curious when the FCC is going to figure out that hardly any broadcasters remained on their former analog channels 2 through 6. (54 to 88 MHz, minus a 4 MHz gap between channels 4 and 5) Most still display the old number as a virtual channel number, but are actually on UHF. For those with mountains to deal with, the change severely degraded coverage. Broadcasters apparently figured few people would be willing to put up big tv antennas with the longer elements needed for those low channels. High band VHF (7 - 13, 176 to 216 Mhz) and UHF (470 MHz and up) signals use much smaller antennas. I'd like to see more of the rural area served by the low-band channels. If they allowed power levels close to what they used with analog service, many could easily get well over 100 miles on those channels. Even at the currently allowed power levels coverage is better than the other channels if people have the proper antennas (but often worse with the wrong antennas). A half-wavelength dipole at 54 MHz (channel 2) is near 3 meters long so the biggest elements near the back of a tv antenna should be about that length. The length at channel 14 is about 1/9th as much.

      The FM band, 88 - 108 MHz is not used by the tv channels. It's between tv channels 6 and 7, as are a number of public services and the 2 meter ham band. There's a much bigger gap between channels 13 and 14 (216 to 470 MHz), but that is allocated to various government and commercial service, and a little there for ham use also.

  4. Re:Hello football game by TheClam · · Score: 2, Informative

    Click the pencil/paper icon on the right hand side of the bar above the first comment. There's a pref for the old system.

    Took me about 15 minutes to find it, since it wasn't in my user prefs.

  5. NACK by gafisher · · Score: 2, Informative
    While these phones may very well scan for channels not being used at the moment by baby monitors and cordless phones, said baby monitors and cordless phones etc. aren't as accommodating, meaning your pseudo-cell call could presumably be interrupted at any moment by the sounds of a crying baby or a pizza order. Cheaper isn't always better.

    (I'll stick with my modified 10-meter 1KW CB radio ...)

  6. Validity Questioned by philipborlin · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article questions the validity of the company.

  7. kind of an annoying name by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Cognitive radio"?

    A protocol that continually finds and hops to not-interfered-with frequencies is perhaps "intelligent" in a generic sort of way, but calling it "cognition" is a bit weird. It's pretty standard communications-theory stuff.

  8. Not all 900MHz data transceivers are created equal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try GE MDS Mercury 900MHz systems. We're getting between around 300-500Kbps average up and down between moving vehicles and the nearest access points almost anywhere in the whole city. Fixed locations such as traffic light controllers with small yagi antennas pointed back to an access point tower site easily hit 900-1000kbps symmetrical bandwidth up and down.

  9. Lies, Lies, Lies by tagno25 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This company lies all the time. The company I work for tested this tech a few years ago in Missouri, but It was a failure. They have been trying to sell their product for the past 6+ years.

  10. Re:Validity of using up bandwidth that way? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the FCC was a local health and safety authority, the approval process would go something like this:

    FCC: We see, Mr. Cacapoopoo, that your sewer technology takes raw human waste and dumps into rivers and aquifers.

    Mr. Cacapoopoo: Yes, that's correct. My patented OneTube sewer device takes a large pipe from underneath each toilet and then promptly dumps into the nearest reservoir of drinking water.

    FCC: And you've tested to make sure that this doesn't cause people to get sick.

    Mr. Cacapoopoo: Oh my, yes. Our research shows that the human diet can be 1/3 fecal matter without any adverse health affects. I have a degree in Public Health and Theology from Patriot University, so you can believe me.

    FCC: Well, Mr. Cacapoopoo, I'm overawed by your colorful diploma and your clearly laid out plans. I see no reason that you can't begin installing the devices as soon as possible. Would you like a glass of water?

    Mr. Cacapoopoo: No, I only drink cream soda.

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  11. Re:This could be distributed/home grown GSM's brea by King+InuYasha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be clear, in Europe, the 900MHz band is currently used for straight GSM and EDGE. UMTS/WCDMA (GSM 3G) runs on the 1800/2100 MHz band pair. In the USA, the AWS band pair (used by T-Mobile) is a subset of that. It uses the lower half of the 1800MHz for uplink, and the lower half of the 2100MHz band for downlink (which is why it is referred to as the 1700/2100 MHz band pair). T-Mobile uses the 1900MHz band for GSM, but also supports the 850MHz band for roaming, since AT&T uses that band. AT&T's UMTS bands are 850MHz OR 1900MHz. Most areas use the 1900MHz band, but rural areas use 850MHz.

  12. Ricochet did this a decade ago by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ricochet did this in the 900MHz band using spread spectrum a decade ago, for wireless Internet access. They put up little nodes on street light poles, using a deal where the municipality got free data access. It worked fine, but only delivered dial-up speeds, so it was overrun by DSL and cable. Even back then, getting around narrowband interference was no big deal.