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Giant Lab Replicates Category 3 Hurricanes

Pickens writes "The WSJ reports that a new $40 million research center built by the Institute for Business & Home Safety in Richburg, SC features a massive test chamber as tall as a six-story building that can hold nine 2,300-square-foot homes on a turntable where they can be subjected to tornado-strength winds generated by 105 giant fans to simulate a Category 3 hurricane. The goal is to improve building codes and maintenance practices in disaster-prone regions even though each large hurricane simulation costs about $100,000. The new IBHS lab will be the first to replicate hurricanes with winds channeling water through homes and ripping off roofs, doors and windows. The new facility will give insurers the ability to carefully videotape what happens as powerful winds blow over structures instead of relying on wind data from universities or computer simulations. The center will also be used to test commercial buildings, agriculture structures, tractor-trailers, wind turbines, and airplanes."

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  1. Tornado Strength? by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tornado Strength? I think that's rather more than the Category 3 hurricane!

    1. Re:Tornado Strength? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It does seem a very odd description, more likely to have crawled out of somebody's imagination than the numbers; but my understanding is that wind speeds vary a great deal under tornado conditions, which means that it is probably accurate, albeit in a way that is either irrelevant or actively misleading.

      The actual cone of the tornado is extremely fast, quite powerful, and is where all the crazy stuff happens(large objects being lifted, spare I-beams getting shoved neatly through trees, etc.) Surrounding that is an area of air disturbance, with strength decreasing as you get further out.

    2. Re:Tornado Strength? by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      Category 3 hurricane is Winds (1 min sustained winds): 111-130 mph
      Category F2 tornado is Significant Tornado: 112 - 157 mph

      The hurricane scale goes higher - a level F3 tornado (158 - 206 mph) would be a category 5 hurricane (>155 mph) and there's no match for a F4 or F5 tornado. And thank you very much for that...

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    3. Re:Tornado Strength? by cowscows · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, generally you don't even try to build to withstand a direct hit from a tornado, it'd just be way too expensive. The odds of any particular building getting smacked by a tornado are fairly small, and even a big tornado affects a much smaller area than your average landfall hurricane.

      Designing to survive hurricane force winds is much more feasible, and it's cool to watch some actual experimentation. Note from the video, that right before the house on the left collapses, the front door is pushed open. Once the wind gets into the house, it needs to go somewhere, and it basically lifts the house up allowing it to fall over. You have to bolt the whole house together vertically, from the foundation all the way up to the rafters.

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    4. Re:Tornado Strength? by gartogg · · Score: 4, Informative

      To clarify, the smallest hurricanes have a larger geographical footprint than the largest tornadoes. A hurricane cannot form in a small area, and a tornado cannot be that large; the difference is in intensity. Tornadoes have much faster winds. Despite this, hurricanes are a larger source of damage.

      In fact, the largest losses to insurance due to tornadoes+hail+wind in a given storm is just over $2bn, which is a big yawn compared to a large hurricane loss. It wouldn't make the top 20. Average loss per year for insurers due to hurricanes in the US has been higher than that, in the last 15 years or so. (And insurers are better at not paying claims for hurricanes, since "storm surge" is excluded due to it being flood.)

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    5. Re:Tornado Strength? by gartogg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This will be used to refine vulnerability functions for modeling. The buildings can't/won't be built to withstand the forces, but they can reduce the insurers uncertainty about how much damage will be caused, and therefore how much to charge for an insurance policy.

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    6. Re:Tornado Strength? by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "A category 1 tornado is a gentle breeze compared to an F2 tornado. I journaled about it here."

      I think you meant

      "A category 1 hurricane is a gentle breeze compared to an F2 tornado. I journaled about it here."

      And I agree. One of my co-workers in Scotland was commenting that they had a force 7 gale going there. I looked it up. 31-38 mph winds. We have a word for that in Kansas:

      Spring.

    7. Re:Tornado Strength? by cowscows · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, yeah, once something is happening, the odds of it happening are pretty high. Anyways, I'm not try to belittle tornadoes, I actually find them far more scary than a hurricane, because with a hurricane we have ample warning to get out of the way.

      But for your average home in kansas or some other tornado prone state, the overall chance of that house being hit by a tornado in its lifetime are less than the odds of a house in florida to be impacted by a hurricane in its lifetime. That combined with the fact that designing to protect against hurricane force winds is a good bit easier than designing against tornado force winds has led to our society in general to decide that for most of our buildings, the costs of tornado proofing are not worth it.

      Better to send the people underground or wherever is safe, and just let the tornado have its way with the buildings. Mother Nature wins that fight by default, we don't even try to step into the ring.

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    8. Re:Tornado Strength? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd suspect that it is a mixture of things. Obviously, insurers want to refine their models so that absolutely everyone is paying their exact actuarial cost + profit; but they also have an interest in the safety of their clients in less severe circumstances. If there are cheap; but not necessarily obvious, things that can be done to decrease costs in more minor circumstances, it is mutually beneficial for insurance companies to offer an incentive of part of their expected savings to their clients. The insurance company makes money; because they don't pass on all the savings brought about by the modification. The customer wins because they get some of the savings and they might avoid the hassle of having their house damaged(even with 100% insurance cover, major water damage/destruction is a huge pain in the ass).

      For any class of insurance where there is a continuum of events with various degrees of badness and avoidability, insurers are unlikely to lose much business by assisting their clients in being safer(ie: getting and using a gym membership will make me healthier; but I can't drop my health insurance because if I get cancer, I'd be totally fucked). However, they can often save money, by reducing claims paid for more minor issues, by assisting their clients with those more minor risks.

      In this case, for example, most people really can't afford to lose their house and most of the stuff inside it. It would just be catastrophic. So, unless they are very poor, or live in a flood/fire zone where some federal "emergency" welfare-for-the-wealthy program rebuilds million+ houses each time they get wiped out, they will be carrying insurance on their homes. If there are simple things that can be done to make homes less vulnerable to common events(ie. low category storms, fires caused by lousy wiring) it is very much in the insurer's interest to encourage policyholders to make changes that ameliorate those risks, while still keeping them on the policy rolls with terrifying predictions of category 5 storms and catastrophic house fires.

      If it turns out, for example, that(as in TFA's video) a building becomes much more vulnerable once its door blows open, that suggests a variety of retrofits in the "few hundred in materials and labor" category that could easily save tens of thousands in the event of a modest storm. Insurers would love to know about stuff like that, so they can offer you some percentage of their expected savings to have that done. Exactly the same way that health insurers commonly subsidize gym memberships and healthy eating tips and stuff. They know that you aren't leaving; because that 500k cancer could hit at any time; but they know that both of you will be better off if your fat ass doesn't end up with type II diabetes.

    9. Re:Tornado Strength? by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And I agree. One of my co-workers in Scotland was commenting that they had a force 7 gale going there. I looked it up. 31-38 mph winds. We have a word for that in Kansas: Spring.

      A gale is really just the step after breeze (force 6 is strong breeze), you go through all the gale levels (7-9) then all the storm levels (10-12) before you get to a hurricane. Not sure where he's from in Scotland for a gale to be all that special, they should be getting roughly the same weather as us here in Norway over the North Sea and it's not that uncommon.

      Even though storms have the full force of the Atlantic to build on, the strongest hurricane we've measured here in Norway was in 1992 and it was only a class 2, most years go without a single hurricane of any category. Gale is a windy day, storms are the only kind of storm and hurricanes are on TV. Same with tornadoes, very rare.

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    10. Re:Tornado Strength? by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A buddy with a construction company in Florida built his house as a 40 foot square (1600 sq. feet) with a pyramidal shaped roof (cathedral ceiling inside and all interior walls end at 9' high) so that there are no flat roof surfaces for the wind to build up agains. For the framing, there were the standard threaded rod ties coming up from the slab, through the footers of the wall, and bolted down but he also put additional ties running up from the slab all the way up through the outside walls, that then go through a 1/2" thick steel band that circles the entire top of the walls. This band was welded together so the walls are in compression between slab and band. The roof trusses are also welded/bolted to this band. The walls are basic OSB with decent insulation and waterproofing applied and vinyl siding (with construction adhesive on every piece. He's gone and made it as hurricane proof as possible. Of course, he has the polycarbonite coverings for all the windows.

      He's also constructed separate building on his property as a workshop and store room. He went and built it just like his company builds walk in bank vaults. It has 12" of concrete all around and 2000 gals of rainfall collection. This is his tornado shelter. He did this second building last year as a way to keep his guys employed. Building trade in Florida has really taken a hit since the real estate crash.

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  2. Testing homes by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, if they would just test homes made out of straw, sticks, and bricks and see if in fact, a straw house can be reinforced to withstand big bad wolf strength winds.

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  3. Wake me when they have general disaster sim by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nothing new here. When I was a kid I had a program that would simulate fires, tornadoes, air and boat crashes, earthquakes, nuclear disasters, and even Godzilla, for far less than $100,000 a pop.

  4. Re:Slow news day by cappp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sucks or blows, whatever, as long as there's swallowing that's all that matters.

  5. Awesome! Right? by captainpanic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am very confused with the replies I read here (see above).
    My first thought when I heard about this was: Awesome! In big capital letters.

    I am a fan of overpowered machines that dwarf anything else... and this is just really really big, and it was built with the sole purpose to destroy things... It's a really cool toy!

    However, the average slashdotter seem to find quite a few things wrong with this... or they just make a joke about it (+1 for jokes).

    Is there something wrong with me? Am I alone?

    1. Re:Awesome! Right? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For some reason it seems like it is much cooler or more respectable, these days, to hate on things than to be excited about them. In the existence of building a really big toy that rips shit apart, a lot of people will find fault with it being a big, wasteful, over-power-hungry, ego driven monstrosity. I find that, while this sentiment is reflected to some degree on slashdot, it is much calmer here than it is in many other cultural niches of society in general. Being the person that sees something and says, right off the bat, "Holy shit! That is amazing!" is, for whatever reason, taken to mean that the observer is gullible, stupid, or incapable of critical thinking. I can't really tell you why that trend seems so dominant in culture today (to me at least), but that's just what I've noticed.

      For the record, as soon as I read the summary, my first thought was, "Fucking Epic!" Then I started thinking about all of the bad ideas that could go along with a machine like this that might involve a flying-squirrel suit and a helmet. So, no, you're not alone. =)

  6. Re:Simulator by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they wanted to see what the effect of a class 3 hurricane, they should come to my house and look at my kids rooms. Some people already think I was simulating an F5 tornado.

    I asked someone from Environment Canada what the difference between an F4 and F5 tornado was, his answer was "an F4 destroys everything, an F5 destroys everything and cleans up after itself". Given those parameters, it sounds like your kids are only simulating an F4. ;)

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  7. Re:homes made of wood by alen · · Score: 2, Informative

    we just had a tornado in my part of NYC last month and only the trees fell down. all the homes are made of brick and concrete and all survived intact even though the tornado passed right over us.

  8. Re:homes made of wood by tom17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How much cheaper, really? Let's take the example of having modular prefabbed floors & exterior walls that are available in many configurations so you have design freedom to build what you like. These prefabbed sections can be mass produced, cheaply, and the right combination shipped to the location. Once there, you flip it up, use whatever connection method is needed for the walls and lay down the interlocking floor sections. The prefab sections I saw near Munich even had insulation built into them.

    With wood, the wood has to be processed, granted at a much lower cost than the concrete section fabbing. Then it has to be shipped just like the prefabbed. But then it changes - The amount of labour that goes in to laying floor joists, laying & fastening floor sheets (which all results in a boing-ey floor anyway), framing wall sections on the floor then raising them, then ultimately installing insulation and poly, is quite a lot more than I imagine an efficient prefab production line would be.

    Note that I have no actual idea of the relative costs of anythign above, but i'm genuinely curious as i'm sure that an efficient prefab system could turn out cheaper, or at least on-par. Then you get the benefit of stronger houses. Oh and there's nothing to stop you doing the internal framing with wood/metal studs, so you still get the freedom to change/customise the internal layout.

    I do agree, however, that pure brick or poured concrete buildings would be more expensive. I also agree that *right now* it would be more expensive as an efficient prefab infrastucture would need to be built up over time. With the "PROFIT NOW, NOT LATER!!!" mentality of businesses over here, this is not likely to ever happen.

  9. Re:Response to Global Warming? by klubar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually the real issue that property insurance companies are concerned about is rising ocean levels. If you look at a map, much of the insured property is fairly close to a coast. Rising water levels will increase the frequency and severity of damage from floods and wind-driven water. Some insurance companies have stopped writing insurance in flood-prone areas and it's even going to get worse.

    So yes, global warming is a real concern to insurance companies--as they are used to looking out many years on the risk premiums.

      (FYI, unless specifically purchased, most property insurance does not cover flood damage, but only damage from wind-driven water.)

  10. Re:homes made of wood by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always wonder this. Even in non-hurricane zones, houses in Europe (England & Germany is all I know about) are made of brick or poured/prefabbed concrete.

    In England at least, this has a lot to do with the first building codes brought in after the Great Fire Of London in 1666 . The codes specified non-flammable building materials, eg brick or stone.

    To this day, almost all (if not all) houses are brick built, including the suburban tracts that would look familiar to Americans. AFAIK pre-fab concrete was a big thing in the 1950s-60s, mostly for government-built 'council houses' and especially tower blocks (what a USian might call a 'project'). This method fell out of favour in the UK after a pre-fab concrete tower block partially collapsed after a gas explosion in 1968: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point

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  11. Re:homes made of wood by cowscows · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not that much quicker. A good framing crew can put the whole house up in a few days. It's weird when you're monitoring a job. The sitework seems to take forever and it doesn't look like that much is going on. Then the framing starts and in a couple days there's this big wooden house that appeared out of nowhere. And you think damn, this thing is like 80% done, we'll be finished in no time. Then all of the interior build-out starts, and it takes months and feels like it'll never end.

    Also framing tends to be very mistake tolerant. If the designer or the builder did something wrong, it's generally not a big deal to tear it out and rebuild it better. All of the framing works together to provide strength to the house, so temporarily removing any single stud/joist/section of wall/whatever usually won't result in collapse, as there's plenty of redundancy in the structure.

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  12. Re:homes made of wood by jburroug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The wooden frame house I'm living in now was built in the early 50's and has survived three hurricanes and several tropical storms. It creaked and groaned a bit, ok a lot, during Ike in 2008 but didn't suffer any damage. Not so much as a broken window. IIRC my neighborhood had sustained winds in 90mph range with recorded gusts up around 110mph. The house endured that beating for good four hours while the massive storm passed over.

    Wood is much stronger than most people realize. The softwoods commonly used in home construction are also quite flexible and can deflect a lot before failing in a structural situation. When a wood frame house suffers a structural failure it's often somewhat graceful and the structure retains some of strength and doesn't just collapse on the people inside. A brick or concrete structure will hold up well until it hits a breaking point, then failure is complete and often catastrophic. Also concrete is ugly, I'd hate living in a concrete house.

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  13. Re:homes made of wood by bws111 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Correct. When you look at a wood structure failing (like in the video), you do not see wood being ripped apart or anything like that. What you see is that big structures are separated from each other. The structures remain intact (at least until they fly into something else). The problem is how the structures are fastened to each other (ie wall to floor and roof). Strapping the roof to the walls with metal instead of just using nails makes a big difference.