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Mazda Claims 70 mpg For New Engine, No Hybrid Needed

thecarchik writes "There's no word on when the new version of the Mazda2 will finally reach the US but when it does we can reveal that it will return a fuel economy of 70 mpg — without the aid of any electric motors. This is because the car will feature Mazda's next-generation of drivetrain, body and chassis technologies, dubbed SKYACTIV. The new Mazda 2 will come powered by a SKYACTIV-G engine, Mazda's next-generation direct injection gasoline mill that achieves significantly improved fuel efficiency thanks to a high compression ratio of 14.0:1 (the world's highest for a production gasoline engine)." I wonder if a real-life-real-drivers 70 mpg car is what will actually arrive, or if such promises will dissolve like Chevy's promises about the Volt did.

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  1. Re:Is the ICE always running? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Burning fuel while stopped can never be a good thing.

    Yeah, right. Try starting and stopping the engine at every stop light when it's forty below zero outside... even aside from the lack of heat inside we quite often see cars that have stalled in those temperatures and simply won't start again.

  2. Re:Golf Diesel by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Older cars were so economical because they were so light. Newer cars are far more robust in an accident.

    Safety or economy, choose one.

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  3. Re:My car gets 1000 MPG by cduffy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you get hit by another car, which driver will be more injured?

    I'd rather take the risk of being killed by someone else than the risk of killing someone else. Moreover, I have serious misgivings regarding the morality of the contrary position.

    Also, how fast does it achieve 100km/h? You don't need that in a city, but going to another city that's 300km away I sure like being able to drive near the speed limit (in my country it's 90-130 km/h depending on the road).

    But how often do you do that? If (like me) you only leave town twice a year, it makes more sense to rent on those occasions.

  4. Re:Diesels already do this. by hcdejong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can produce more torque than a diesel engine with my hands and a long spanner

    That's a nonargument.

    Torque figures are just as useful as power figures for comparing cars, i.e. not very much. The meaningful items are the torque curve, which tells you how responsive the engine is over its operating range, and the power-to-weight ratio, which tells you what effect the engine will have in terms of accelleration.

  5. Re:Diesels already do this. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I asked my friend who works at the VW lab in Palo Alto about it (i.e. when will we be able to get the good stuff here) and all she said was that everyone asks them that.

    If you read between the lines, what she's really saying is "We'll get the "good stuff" over here when we're no longer governed by the oil companies. Or, when gasoline hits $9.50/gal in Lincoln, Nebraska. Or, when pigs fly".

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  6. Re:Golf Diesel by foetusinc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, it's because for the last 25 years automakers have catered to people's very marketable desire to go faster over their only recently discovered desire to go "green". Fuel was more expensive in Europe, and money less plentiful in the rest of the world, so they focused more on efficiency. Over here in the states we had plenty of money, and plenty of cheap gas, so we designed our cars for that environment. All engines have gotten more efficient over the years, but where a Euro might use that extra efficiency to save gas, we used it to go faster. What's worse is that American drivers now think that if their basic commuter car can't outrun a sports car from 25 years ago, they're getting cheated somehow.

    1984 Porsche 944 - 150hp, 2900lbs
    2011 Honda Accord EX - 190hp, 3300lbs

    There's zero reason for a commuter car to have a 0-60 time 8 seconds, or a top speed of 120mph+, yet that's become a totally normal performance envelope. You have to push boundaries that would have been muscle car territory not that long ago to officially be considered "sporty".

  7. Re:Diesels already do this. by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Car-2 costs $5,000 more than Car-1 (Note Golf vs Golf TDI)

    You may be saving $.03 per mile, but that's going to take you over 150,000 miles to pay back.

  8. Re:Diesels already do this. by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    everywhere except the US

    Right, everywhere EXCEPT that one big place where the majority of all cars (and miles driven) are...

    And even that's not true... Diesels have caught on in EUROPE. Why? Because...

    and that's because the US was slow in adopting the low-sulfur diesel fuel needed by modern diesels

    No, it's because the taxes on fuel in most European countries is greater than the actual cost of fuel, and therefore the fuel with slightly less tax burden turned into the most economical by-far. Nowhere outside of Europe is there such high adoption of diesel cars. It's all because of the taxes.

    if anything, the diesel will have longer gearing than the petrol version to take advantage of all that torque at low revs

    IMHO, all non-CVT vehicles should die off ASAP. You need much less horsepower when you don't get "stuck" in a high gear while trying to accelerate. Not to mention the much more predictable behavior on slick (rain/snow/ice) roads, and less dangerous behavior in cruise control. CVT is so frickin' overdue, it's hard to believe old automatics are still being made.

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  9. Re:Golf Diesel by foetusinc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    BS. This is always the next argument - "I can't get on the freeway without a billion horsepower!" or "An underpowered car is too unsafe. I once had to outrun an avalanche while driving a carload of orphans down a mountain pass, and my bi-turbo V8 saved our lives!". Speed is not a safety feature, and if slow acceleration was all it took to keep vehicles off the highway, interstate trucking and Greyhound would have collapsed a long time ago. It's not that fast cars aren't fun - they're incredible fun. But we've let ourselves be sold the idea that they're a necessity instead of a luxury, and it's costing us dearly.

  10. Re:My car gets 1000 MPG by cduffy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Indirectly"? There's nothing indirect about a car crash.

    As for my views regarding self-preservation, we would live in a far better world if they were shared. Let me make it clear -- I have no problem with killing in legitimate self-defense, or killing in the course of a just war... but choosing a heavier vehicle and increasing risk to the lives of innocent third parties just to decrease risk to yourself leads to a snowball effect where everyone is less safe.