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Aussie Kids Foil Finger Scanner With Gummi Bears

mask.of.sanity writes "An Australian high school has installed 'secure' fingerprint scanners for roll call for senior students, which savvy kids may be able to circumvent with sweets from their lunch box. The system replaces the school's traditional sign-in system with biometric readers that require senior students to have their fingerprints read to verify attendance. The school principal says the system is better than swipe cards because it stops truant kids getting their mates to sign-in for them. But using the Gummi Bear attack, students can make replicas of their own fingerprints from gelatin, the ingredient in Gummi Bears, to forge a replica finger. The attack worked against a bunch of scanners that detect electrical charges within the human body, since gelatin has virtually the same capacitance as a finger's skin."

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  1. Next up... by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I can just see it now. Next they come up with one to detect "body heat" in the finger.

    And the kids circumvent it by keeping the gummy bears in their pockets on the way to class.

    Once again, a "foolproof" system proves to be only as useful as the fool who invented it.

    1. Re:Next up... by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful
      There really aren't.

      As far as the human body goes, there are only a few things that are really "constant." Exposure to allergens or illness change the voice enough that it will fail vocal characteristic matching. Taking biometric readouts of a facial structure fails the moment someone has a serious traffic accident, gets any sort of illness that causes facial swelling, or simply grows out their facial hair.

      Fingerprints? I think we've done that one pretty much to death.

      The best suited is probably retinal or iris scanning, but even those have issues. Retinal scanning fails on any number of degenerative disorders affecting the blood flow, like diabetes and glaucoma. It also fails to properly record and identify on people with moderate to severe cataracts and astigmatism. There are also some pretty hefty privacy issues with retinal scanning, since it can be used to diagnose a number of diseases and conditions - AIDS, syphilis, a number of other STD's, malaria, chicken pox, hereditary diseases like lymphoma and anemia, and even pregnancy.

      Iris scanning will fail to recognize due to tinted glasses or cosmetic contact lenses, and it'd be pretty easy to spoof them with a contact lens "printed" to someone else's pattern that is opaque around the ~750nm wave band that most NIR (Near Infrared) scanners use - and the reason they predominantly use NIR is that if you don't pick that specific band, light reflections from the cornea throw enough noise into your scan image to make it virtually unusable. For the really cheap-ass iris scanners, a suitable high-quality picture of someone's eye may even be sufficient to spoof.

      And of course, both retinal and iris scanners will fail out if they don't have an incredibly controlled environment - stick a retinal or iris scanner in an area with bright sunlight or inconsistent lighting, and you may as well just chuck the thing out the window, because iris contractions to open/close the pupil will make your scan worthless.

      Of course, you could put a hooded structure that people have to stick their eyeball on to look into in order to get scanned. That'll last all of about 2 days before some prankster gets the idea to smear some india ink or something else around the edge of the eyeball viewer...

    2. Re:Next up... by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can just see it now. Next they come up with one to detect "body heat" in the finger.

      Or they just try to ban gummi bears. If they're coming up with a stupid fingerprint scanner, these are obviously the typical school administrators, cut from the same cloth as those who gave their students laptops and didn't tell them they'd be watching them through the webcam at all times, adding to the contraband list is probably going to be their first reaction. Maybe if the ban fails miserably, they'll just tattoo barcodes onto their foreheads.

      I suspect the public would not be so willing to accept encroaching police states and governments slowly taking away our rights if schools had to actually justify shit like this to the students.

    3. Re:Next up... by choongiri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whether it's technically possible to defeat the system isn't the issue. If you're trying to force kids' presence with technological measures rather than encourage leaning and enthusiasm socially, you're doing something wrong. Especially since this is talking about older kids. Try giving them something fun to do, instead of demanding they bio-retina-dna scan in after recess.

    4. Re:Next up... by Worthless_Comments · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The teacher could actually, you know, take roll. I guess that would be too much work for a government employee though?

    5. Re:Next up... by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so RFID under the skin it is then....

    6. Re:Next up... by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean like getting them to figure out how to defeat a high-tech security system using gummi bears?

      It's fun and you can eat the evidence!

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    7. Re:Next up... by The+Hatchet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Easy, just scan people as they walk by, record their numbers and get yourself an adjustable implant. You could change identities whenever you please. That is probably the easiest to spoof of all.

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    8. Re:Next up... by Noitatsidem · · Score: 3, Funny

      That would be way too much work. Y'know, where I live teachers have to take roll- And boy oh boy do they hate it. They have to actually get on the schools network, and then CHECK THE STUDENTS OFF! It's insane! I think we should move to DNA testing: Each child has to spit in a cup and give it to the DNA lab when they come in in the morning, and in good time we'll know for sure who's skipping. We should also hire an entire staff to do this, and to make sure each kid gets one cup, this will prevent kids from signing their friends in! This would solve the whole "too much work for a government employee" issue. (Wow, I'm genius.)

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    9. Re:Next up... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      My son is an Aussie kid and there is no way he could not eat a gummi bear long enough to foil a finger scanner.

    10. Re:Next up... by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's one, worse problem. Compromised credentials can't be changed. Only revoked. So someone somehow acquired your retina scan... sorry, Your credentials as compromised have been revoked, you're fired, come back when you get new retinas.

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    11. Re:Next up... by phillips321 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You could change identities whenever you please.

      Finally my dream of becoming a 10year old choir boy is getting ever closer :-)

    12. Re:Next up... by chrb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There really aren't.

      Human beings manage to identify each other pretty well based on previous knowledge, often only visual information. As technology advances the technology to uniquely identify people will become more accurate. And more importantly - and a fact that a lot of people miss - the system doesn't need to be perfect, it only needs to be more accurate than the system that it replaces. For example passports - a unique chip ID+personal knowledge+biometric is a more accurate form of authentication than a photograph and some minimum wage guy comparing it to the holder's face several thousand times a day. I can see why people find biology based authentication intrusive, and celebrate when it fails in situations like this, but it's a small victory in a rather irrelevant environment. The technology to uniquely identify and authenticate an individual is going to get better, and it is going to become harder for the average person to forge and use an alternative identity.

    13. Re:Next up... by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Easy, just scan people as they walk by, record their numbers and get yourself an adjustable implant. You could change identities whenever you please. That is probably the easiest to spoof of all.

      Zero-knowledge password proof. We've had the technology for several decades to implement systems where mutual authentication can take place without exposing private keys or passwords.

    14. Re:Next up... by delinear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I was at school there was no need to get on any network. In fact, only two rooms in the entire school had a connection to the network. The teachers had a printed sheet of what we used to call "paper", and they'd use an archaic device called a pen to tick off students in attendance. Of course, back then they also actually knew the students, which was a big help (after a couple of classes they could put names to faces and check off the register in silence while the students got on with some work). It seems schools are falling over themselves to find technical solutions to something that's been trivial to manage for years, I don't see the agenda, are schools subsidised by the companies who provide the technology and welcome real world trials or is it something else?

    15. Re:Next up... by delinear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seriously do not want to eat a gummi bear that's touched the same scanner as a couple hundred teenagers - trust me, I used to be one, I know the kinds of things they touch. I wouldn't even want to touch that with my finger, let alone my food. On the plus side, at least when all the kids get sick because they're sharing around their diseases, at least they'll have a legitimate excuse to not be in class.

    16. Re:Next up... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      So... you do what Mythbusters did and make a thin gel fingerprint and stick it to your real finger. You'll have temperature, heartbeat, everything.

      It's an unsupervised machine and input sensors can *always* be fooled. Period.

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    17. Re:Next up... by strack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well, its a effective way to get everyones fingerprints on record, whether theyve commited a crime or not. its basically a way to sqeeze a great big brick over everyones privacy. and it also primes people to be more accepting of giving up biometric data for a government database.

    18. Re:Next up... by ciderbrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't worry about the average person. It's the above average and people with an imagination that really work the system.

    19. Re:Next up... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, what the Mythbusters found was that their high end fingerprint lock, which claimed to check for pulse, heat and capacitance, could be fooled with nothing more than a (moistened) photocopy of a finger.

      Laptop scanners fared better, but the door ones seem to be security theatre.

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    20. Re:Next up... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just after I started uni, our maths lecturer came up to a group of about 8 of us standing around talking in the hallway, we had not yet had a math lecture but he prceeded to name each and every one of us. Government employee or not, he was a fucking genius with an extrodnary memory.

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    21. Re:Next up... by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the "drag over" sensor on your laptop is susceptible to gel fakes. The did this on Mythbusters. The scanner was even susceptible to the impressively sophisticated "paper photocopy" method....

    22. Re:Next up... by Kineticabstract · · Score: 2, Interesting
      1) That's the least-useful Wikipedia page I've ever seen. It doesn't even discuss proposed methodologies for implementing its subject - it just has an extremely short definition.

      2) This is a scenario in which the users (the students) have no issue with giving their private keys away to their mates. That's actually the point, in this case. ZKPP is of little value here.

      3) Yeah, I know that you brought up ZKPP to respond to the issue with RFID scanning. I'm curious to see how you're going to get the RFID chip to cough up enough information to verify that it knows the private key, without giving away enough information to allow key determination through heuristic analysis anyway. In order for the knowledge exchange to work, the information has to be deterministic - yet, it has to change from query to query, or else I can simply re-transmit whatever the RFID chip last transmitted, and I'm in.

    23. Re:Next up... by natehoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That worked for me at the lower schools I attended, too. The ones where teachers had 20-30 kids that they had all day. After the first couple of weeks, the teacher knew their students on sight, and an empty desk meant a student was not in attendance.

      Then I went to a large high school, and we had subject teachers who had classrooms of 50-75 students each, and only 45 minutes a day with them. Class sizes varied, so you couldn't tell by the number of empty desks. Even at a few seconds per student to do roll call, it ate up almost 10% of our class time, and it was completely impractical for a teacher who was teaching 5-6 classes of 50-75 students a day to know all of their students on sight. The average person could probably memorize about 100 of them, maybe.

      My daughter is going to a school where they have one teacher who will follow them through their academic career at the school (first grade to 12th grade). There are "subject teachers", but the teachers travel from classroom to classroom rather than the students traveling around to different rooms.

      So attendance is easy - the teacher knew the kids from the second week of school (class size is about 18 for our school), and greets them at the door. There's no opportunity for a student to cut a specific class, since the students are in the same classroom all day. They also don't need to carry their materials from classroom to classroom, since only one person (the teacher) has to move around. No need for lockers, or heavy backpacks that need to be worn all day, or fancy storage for their pens and pencils and notebooks. They have one desk, and they keep all of their stuff there.

      It astonishes me that more schools don't use that model. One teacher walks in carrying a folding flipchart and a briefcase with their notes for the class, teaches the class, then heads off to the next classroom. Instead of moving 20 kids, they move one teacher.

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    24. Re:Next up... by codegen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We've had the technology for several decades to implement systems where mutual authentication can take place without exposing private keys or passwords.

      Buy you need a key long enough to be secure, yet implementable in circuits lightweight enough that they can be powered passively by an RF field. Thats somewhat harder to accomplish, as was discovered by the Dutch with their prototype passport, and various other attempts at secure RFID

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    25. Re:Next up... by chrb · · Score: 2, Informative

      1) That's the least-useful Wikipedia page I've ever seen. It doesn't even discuss proposed methodologies for implementing its subject - it just has an extremely short definition.

      3) ... I'm curious to see how you're going to get the RFID chip to cough up enough information to verify that it knows the private key, without giving away enough information to allow key determination through heuristic analysis anyway. ..

      Yes the Wikipedia article is a bit short, hopefully someone will fix it. I highly recommend Applied Cryptography as a good starter that will cover the information you're looking for.

  2. The Future is Secure by lorelorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fuck, YES. I read the original story, about the school introducing this moronic system, and could only shake my head. Attempts at total control are generally the solution proffered by lazy bureaucrats as an alternative to them doing their jobs. Here’s an idea - instead of working out ways of forcing the kids into school and keeping them there - why not work to make it compelling for them to come to school in the first place. I know, hard, right? Idiots. However, the creative (dare I say scientific) solution employed, and so quickly makes me remotely proud of our clever children. It’s nice to see the kids are far more intelligent and creative than their so-called teachers. I will have somewhat less pride when they remotely drain my bank account and I am forced to live on cast off gummi bears, but hey.

  3. Those kids better watch out! by n1hilist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Duke Igthorn is NOT going to be happy when he hears about this!

  4. Misleading Title by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nobody has actually foiled the high school fingerprint scanners yet, it's still only in the realm of (likely) possibility - especially after the kids see this story on /.

  5. Let's see... by kurokame · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * You have to buy a new system and probably sign a support contract for it
    * It ties up personnel with deployment
    * It doesn't work any better than the old system
    * It raises significant privacy issues not present in the old system
    * It raises huge data security and disposal issues not present in the old system
    * Adding a new student is more invasive and time consuming than in the old system
    * Fingerprint biometrics can track an arbitrarily large set of individuals...but they can only distinguish a few hundred

    Yep, that sounds like a textbook example of educational bureaucracy.

  6. How it's done (gelatin, not Gummi Bears) by PatPending · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quoting from the end of the fine article (emphasis added by me).

    Tsutomu Matsumoto, a Japanese cryptographer, uses gelatin, the stuff that Gummi Bears are made out of. First he takes a live finger and makes a plastic mold. (He uses a free-molding plastic used to make plastic molds, and is sold at hobby shops.) Then he pours liquid gelatin into the mold and lets it harden. (The gelatin comes in solid sheets, and is used to make jellied meats, soups, and candies, and is sold in grocery stores.) This gelatin fake finger fools fingerprint detectors about 80% of the time.

    His more interesting experiment involves latent fingerprints. He takes a fingerprint left on a piece of glass, enhances it with a cyanoacrylate adhesive, and then photographs it with a digital camera. Using PhotoShop, he improves the contrast and prints the fingerprint onto a transparency sheet. Then, he takes a photo-sensitive printed-circuit board (PCB) and uses the fingerprint transparency to etch the fingerprint into the copper, making it three-dimensional. (You can find photo-sensitive PCBs, along with instructions for use, in most electronics hobby shops.) Finally, he makes a gelatin finger using the print on the PCB. This also fools fingerprint detectors about 80% of the time.

    Gummy fingers can even fool sensors being watched by guards. Simply form the clear gelatin finger over your own. This lets you hide it as you press your own finger onto the sensor. After it lets you in, eat the evidence.

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  7. The Future is FAR from Secure by sonamchauhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree that its a stupid and lazy approach. But there is only so much you can do to "make it compelling" until reality sets in that discipline is necessary for children.

    The oldest approach is still the best - have teachers (and not machines) who **recognize** kids conduct roll calls.

    1. Re:The Future is FAR from Secure by The+Hatchet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kids in some areas of the world willfully walk miles to school every day. Why? because they are learning. In America, our schools force our students to memorize arbitrary facts in arbitrary order with no regard to context or meaning. This is problematic because the brain is typically terrible at memorizing out of context, out of order, arbitrary information, we have a very small capacity for it. On the other hand, it is possible to cover several weeks of math in a single day, and the students will enjoy and remember it, it is is conceptual, in proper context, and useful. I learned partial fraction decomposition 4 years ago, and just learned a use for it today in differential equations. All you have to do to compel students to attend school is to teach them, instead of screaming at them to memorize totally pointless bullshit while eating shitty food, being told what they are allowed to say and where they have to be every minute of the day, even when they are allowed to go to the bathroom, and they can be arrested for being physically attacked. Of course truancy is a problem in this bullshit hell of a system.

      Support real education reform. Well educated children don't need strict discipline, because they know better, they understand why it is bad to do X action. But if you just scream at them "OBEY ME OR SUFFER!" of course they are going to be angsty and rebellious. What an insensitive clod.

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    2. Re:The Future is FAR from Secure by cappp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What? Kids willingly walk miles to school every day because it's drilled into their heads that the only way off the farm, out of the slums, or whatever their particular disadvantage happens to be, is through education. There's no magical inspirational African/South American/Chinese teaching model that somehow drives these kids out of their beds before dawn and across miles with hungry bellies and an urge to learn. Hell, most of those kids are walking miles to school every day to learn arbitrary information, out of order, and by rote. Teaching kids to be critical learners, to engage with knowledge? That's a privilege that's only found in the rich western educational model, certainly not in the shanty towns.

      That being said, I understand your broader point and agree somewhat. Education has to be relevant, it should be interesting, and it shouldn't be one-size-fits-all. However, if we're honest we have to admit that that kind of system is expensive, demands teaching excellence, is hard to assess, and complicated to run. The US has over 60 million students in primary and secondary schools - that's an enormous population. There are a lot of problems with education in the west - most of them related to broader social issues like violence, poverty, ignorance et al - but it’s not nearly as bad as some of us seem to feel. There is a logic to a lot of the problems you’re complaining about and while matters could possibly be dealt with in better ways it’s going too far to claim the system itself is bullshit hell.

    3. Re:The Future is FAR from Secure by AigariusDebian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From my Eastern EU perspective attendance (and performance) is easy to fix.

      Make schools free, but mandatory. Make it mandatory for the student to finish school. If a student does not pass the test for at least 50% level in ALL classes, then he automatically stays in that class for the second year. Key tests are centralized and secret - every pupils of every school take the same test at the same time and all results are graded by teachers in other randomly chosen schools (to prevent cheating and grade boosting) the content of the tests is top secret so that no teacher can prepare their students specifically for that test. That is step one - establish a fair, but strict testing system that ensures that if a child is in a grade, he deserves to be there.

      Every teacher must know all their students and take attendance every time. If a student is not in class, he must bring a doctors note or a parents note (if he is away less than 4 days in a row). If there is no excuse for being late, the parents are summoned to school so that they can excuse him or punish him at their choice. However if parents do not show up, then child protective services are engaged and child is removed from their parents for neglect and is forced to live at the school.

      In any case everyone must be forced to go to school until they graduate for merit (or at least until they are 21 and declared mentally challenged). if you are too stupid to graduate from school, you are too stupid to drive, vote or take government office. One can regain those privileges by continuing his education (for free) until he graduates.

      No home schooling, private schools must obey the same testing and attendance laws.

  8. Re:I for one welcome our new Gummi Bear overlords! by n1hilist · · Score: 2, Funny

    >Now get off of my lawn.

    okie dokie dukie :)

  9. Mythbusters did something similar by PatPending · · Score: 3, Informative

    Until Discovery Communications has it taken down--

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA4Xx5Noxyo

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  10. Over-hyped as usual by PerformanceDude · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So, the school introduces this and the headline is: Students may be able to circumvent it using gummy bears. Boo hoo!! As if any other measure may not be circumvented. A simple supervision or CCTV of the scanner would detect any circumvention attempt.

    I'll be more impressed when they have an article that says: Kids circumvented fingerprint scanners at school using gummy bears.

    Kids should be in school. Period. Our present breed are just as crafty as we used to be back in the day in trying to avoid the system. That is how you create innovative kids in the first place. Those kids who defeats this totalitarian system and gets away with it - well - they deserve the day off :)

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  11. Re:Removing the human ... that's where the issue i by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Quite a long time ago the school district I was in kept attendance records on a computer. The password was kept on a piece of paper in the secretary desk, but that didn't matter. They had a 2400 baud modem connected to a hard line that allowed access for all sorts of records to be shared. I guess they figured the security was knowing that magic 7 digit number written on the modem, and not believing for a second that any child could possibly get the idea to call it, let alone with their own modem, and never one that understood computers better than they did.

    One of my first entrepreneurial ventures was attendance management services to other kids. In this system once you hit a certain level of tardiness, or missed classes, it triggered a physical letter to be sent to the parents. I could make sure that didn't happen. Was fairly profitable and this was back when "computers never lied" and hacking was not well understood by anybody, least of all school administrators.

    I had to stop when it became obvious in some parent teacher conferences that some students had clearly been ditching a lot of classes according to the teachers, but the records on the computers no longer matched the written records of the teachers. Good thing I used the computer lab and my own modem otherwise the phone records would have busted me... if the investigation even got that far. Since the "corrupt" records matched the district offices, it was assumed the computer itself was faulty somehow. They just ended up replacing it... but leaving the modem.

    I guess my point is overall, that if schools are really serious about taking attendance, maybe they should concentrate less on the technology and more about giving a shit "hands on". Teachers should have the phone numbers and email addresses of their students parents, and I don't know, use them. I would have never gotten away with what I did had their been even a small amount of caring amongst the staff. At this point in my life it disapoints and saddens me that a teacher would not directly call the parents once a student missed 3 classes in a week. Waiting for an automated system to send a letter out after 7 missed classes just allows a problem to fester for around a month before anybody starts to address it.

    Of course I can't blame a lot of the teachers. When you are chronically underpaid and have to do ridiculous shameful shit like purchasing resources out of your own pockets for your students, I can understand how some become burned out and disillusioned.

    Kids pick up on that too. If they feel they are in a situation where people don't care and it's a mechanical mind numbing system they are forced to deal with, they will react, and most often negatively.

    I guess what pisses me off more about this story is they could have used the money in that budget to raise the teachers salary and just had the teachers write down attendance in a book and have the empowerment to directly call the fucking parents.

  12. Called me old fashioned by acwebguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Called me old fashioned, but whatever happened to teachers actually knowing their kids and simply taking attendance that way?

  13. Matt? "Present Miss" by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Chris?"
    "Here Miss"
    "Peter?"
    "Present Miss"
    "Well it looks like everyone who's going to be here is here already, let's get started!" She thought knowing full well that a few of the students skipping the class will be reported to the principle yet again.

    Fingerprints? Really? Whatever is wrong, it's not the fault of the system that has served us for hundreds of years, and doesn't need some stupid technology to fix it.

    1. Re:Matt? "Present Miss" by wrook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, it's even easier than this. At the school I work for the teachers know what the students look like and what their names are. If one of the seats in the classroom is empty, usually it means a student is missing. If another student tries to impersonate someone you can tell by looking at them. So far this system is working pretty well. I'm pretty sure it's cheaper than a fingerprint scanner too.

  14. How about "education"? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the problem with cards was that people were swiping their friend's cards, and the problem with fingerprints is that they're faking them, then the problem seems to be a social one.

    As noted, there's no technical solution that will keep motivated teenagers at bay.

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    1. Re:How about "education"? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the problem with cards was that people were swiping their friend's cards, and the problem with fingerprints is that they're faking them, then the problem seems to be a social one.

      As noted, there's no technical solution that will keep motivated teenagers at bay.

      Yes there is -- at least, if your goal is that they be in class: have the teacher check who's there in the first minute of the lesson. Loads of schools in Britain use some kind of electronic system to do this (there are various manufacturers). Of course, it takes some time at the start of the lesson, so why not combine the two systems? Have the swipe card system, and then a message to tell the teacher "22 students have registered for this class". She can then verify this.

      (I had a friend at a different school back in 2002 with the swipe card system. He made money by charging other students to swipe their cards before class. Many of these students could afford this since they were paid to go to school.)

    2. Re:How about "education"? by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In that case the system has failed to meet the stated requirements: ensuring attendance.

      UK schools dont rely on this, they rely on teachers actually recognising who they are teaching. Simple method, requires a bit of brainpower from the teacher though.

    3. Re:How about "education"? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed.

      Honestly what is it with all this concern about truancy.

      Just let the idiot kids skip a lot and fail. They can enjoy working as a lower class minimum wage bum. Stop making life a Pain in the Arse for the others that actually care about their education.

      MY 18 year old was floored when she said, "Dad will be upset with my grades this semester"... and I responded with, "You are in college on student loans. I'm not the one that needs to be upset. In fact I don't care if you blow off school. You will be the one that cant get a job and have a nice big debt over your head. I'll be disappointed, but you are an adult, if you want to screw up your own life... feel free to do so!"

      It changed her attitude overnight. Suddenly stopped partying with friends all the time and now is paying attention. Nothing like smacking your kid in the face with the carp of reality to wake them up.

      Honestly, let the loser kids that do not want to learn to skip or drop out. The world needs septic tank cleaners.

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    4. Re:How about "education"? by eyrieowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      takes even less time if the kids have assigned seats. Not difficult to see that Bobby's desk is empty. Not a big hit with the kids, but effective.

  15. Re:I for one welcome our new Gummi Bear overlords! by tehdaemon · · Score: 2, Funny
    Stop calling me dukie!

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  16. Kids Are Alright by mbstone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While school kids may yet learn to scam extra lunches and play hooky through the use of gummi candy biometrics, the headline is bogus. None of the linked articles reported that any kids anywhere are doing anything with gummi bears except fucking up their teeth.

  17. Circumventing security has never been this fun by pinkushun · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... or this tasty!

  18. Perfect Solution by lee1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If students don't want to attend school then there is something wrong with the school. Fix the school so that the students want to go there; then you don't need a fancy biometric scanner.

  19. Alexander's solution by rlseaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Alexander the Great solved the same problem with the Gordian Knot in the 4th century BCE. Smash the scanner. The modern improvement would be to disable it less flamboyantly and enjoy the theatrical performances of the assistant principle and custodial supervisor standing around scratching their heads.