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Why Apple's iPad Has Been Good For Sprint

itwbennett writes "Today, Sprint CEO Dan Hesse said in an interview with Om Malik that the iPad has been good to his company because many people are opting for the Wi-Fi only iPad and pairing it with Sprint's 3G/4G Overdrive MiFi device (which the company sells with a special Overdrive case for the iPad) rather than choosing an iPad 3G that is limited to AT&T's network."

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  1. Good to know. by jra · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now, of course, Sprint's WiMAX network is *not* 4G; the ITU said so, last month, in an announcement covered here.

    But whatever it is, it's good to know people like it better than AT&T's... cause I'm getting an EVO in a couple weeks.

    Anyone using Sprint "4G" in Tampa yet?

    1. Re:Good to know. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      They like it better than AT&T's network now. The problem with AT&T was that they did not anticipate the influx of new subscribers that would actually use their data network. AT&T really needed to upgrade their infrastructure. If these people moved to Sprint, then Sprint would have the same problem unless they upgrade too. Same problem, different network.

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    2. Re:Good to know. by mechanicaladvantage · · Score: 1

      One big difference is spectrum rights. Sprint has a (comparatively) massive swath of spectrum in their "4g" bands which should make it pretty easy for them to handle a pretty large uptick in data use.

    3. Re:Good to know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A month ago I was able to find a VirginMobile MiFi 2200. Their web site said (and still says) it was on back order. I had to canvass multiple Radio Shaks to find one. Activation was a real pain; however worth it for $40/mth unlimited data. The recent Apple announcement to sell iPads thru Verizon Wireless stores explains why VirginMobile can't get their hands on this device. I suspect after you look at the cost of Vz wireless plans; you will wait for VirginMoble to be restocked.

    4. Re:Good to know. by frieko · · Score: 1

      Just to be fair, the planned LTE networks that Verizon and AT&T are calling 4G don't meet the definition either. However, both WiMax and LTE have true 4G upgrades in the pipeline.

  2. It's an ill wind that blows no good by mveloso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed! Now all that needs to happen is for Sprint to sell a VoIP kit with an iPad/iPod Touch, MiFi, and Skype/Google Voice. Whoa nelly!

    1. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that's already possible with some of the Android phones. I haven't personally tried it, but I believe it is possible with the Nexus One and presumably other phones of similar or better features.

    2. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless I'm greatly mistaken, that's already possible with some of the Android phones.

      Who cares? The entire point of VoIP on an iPad is to make it into a hilariously gigantic phone.

    3. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by BlueBat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Be careful, I think this is the same address link to a site that was being complained about being goatse. You have been warned.

    4. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the world's most giant cell phone!

    5. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Boombox of the '10's?

    6. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tell that to this guy.

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    7. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible with the Droid2 on verizon, though they've locked it down somewhat: To use wifi you have to pay $20/incident or use a tether cable. (The cable is not endorsed and uses the USB port in developers mode)

    8. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      That is impressively not funny.

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    9. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      It would have been cool for the granny at home on Skype crowd if it had a built-in camera. So I bought granny a netbook.

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    10. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by slater.jay · · Score: 1

      It's certainly possible with an old unlocked/rooted G1 on T-Mobile, but I admit this isn't a very common situation.

    11. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by Nursie · · Score: 1

      It is about a decade old. Trigger Happy TV was one of those things that was only really enjoyable in its time. Which is strange for something that's not really topical.

    12. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by c · · Score: 1

      > The entire point of VoIP on an iPad is
      > to make it into a hilariously gigantic phone.

      I don't think the N-Gage is going to let go of that title so easily...

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    13. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by teachknowlegy · · Score: 1

      We do it with a sprint phone! The Droid based Samsung moment. We camp, er make that live for a day or two in a RV a lot. Powering on the Overdrive and putting it in a known good reception spot (high on the RV shelves for instance) allows us to use the wireless connection to roam freely and chat, voip, or other internet activity without fear of a constantly in and out connection. Note to RVers, the standard antennae should be down (and off) or your overdrive will hide from 3G signals.

    14. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I wish they'd stop inventing new names, and confusing the consumer (me). MiFi is just s 3G device that creates a local Wifi node in your home. Correct? So call it that: Portable WiFi.

      Is this device from Virgin considered a MiFi too?
      What about the USB dongle underneath it? Rather pricey.
      http://www.virginmobileusa.com/mobile-broadband/

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    15. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      N-gage was a fairly normal size phone for the time, what's the point? Other than linking to an ancient joke everyone's seen years ago already?

    16. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by grepya · · Score: 1

      operator error with that moderation. trying to cancel it by posting.

    17. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by nobodie · · Score: 1

      Mistaken thinking my friend. What I am waiting for is a meego tab/pad/slate with 4G so that i can carry that in my manpurse, my little clip-on blue tooth headset with minimal controls on it and there I am. If i need to call I tap in my commands on the tab/pad/slate unit, the bluetooth picks up automatically both in and out, one tap on the control answers the phone, i can have all the goodness of 4G when i want it, all the ease of a bluetooth phone headset (which i use the hell out of right now with my 4 year old sony ericssen) and don't have to do any dorky brick to the head sh*t. no, you are totally not seeing how it will be used.

      The only drawback is the same one i have now, people freaking because i am walking down the sidewalk talking to the air and obviously have something i am talking about (like picking up groceries for dinner or other domestic stuff) that is not loony talk.

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    18. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by iainl · · Score: 1

      Having just got an iPod Touch, unless I'm doing something wrong there's no way to receive Skype calls unless you're actually _in_ the Skype app. So it's not hugely useful for that.

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    19. Re:It's an ill wind that blows no good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its on the way, and it's called the Peel!

  3. Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I find this rather odd. The battery life must be terrible and having to tow around two devices annoying.

    It seems to me that the iPad should have just come with either
    a) A real USB port that a 3G Data dongle (or in this case Sprint/Verizon fake-4G) can plug into and not break the device
    b) An option port, where the iPad already supplies most of the hardware, and this option port is simply the appropriate radio (CDMA, GSM, UMTS, WiMAX, 802.11bgn+) like how laptops do it. The ipad is reasonably large enough to accommodate this.

    1. Re:Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can steal my phone any time!

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      Rep. Barney Frank

    2. Re:Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how the battery life on Sprint's MiFi is, but I've got one from 3 in the UK and its battery life is pretty good, they claim 6-7 hours usage and it seems to live up to that claim and if you stop using it it will go into standby and last much longer. It is also quite small the same size as a small phone (e.g. Samsung J700 or C3050 (they're phones I own so could compare)) and fits quite comfortably in my jeans pocket alongside my N900). Yeah it is a little less convenient than using the built-in 3G on my N900 (it takes about minute to turn on before you can use it) but I had a good deal for data (£7.50 a month for 5GB, and my phone is PAYG) and they gave me the MiFi for agreeing to an 18 month contract, and it probably saves my N900s battery life a bit as 3G can be a bit of a battery drain. The MiFi is defintely more convenient than a dongle and not too much larger, the USB connector on my 3G dongle failed a few times while I had it (I ended up replacing it with a short cable to reduce stress on the connector), not much chance of that with the MiFi. And the biggest benefit is I can easily use it with more than one device.

  4. Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad for so many customers, Sprint is the slowest network in their area. I know it is in the Wichita, KS metro. AT&T is HSPA+. T-Mobile is HSPA+. Verizon is EVDO Rev. A. Sprint is congested and spotty Rev. A (and the worst throughput you can get).

  5. Pop Quiz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For what percentage of the American public is Sprint the fastest network? 5%?

    1. Re:Pop Quiz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fastest isn't necessarily a good barometer. Coverage and reliability are far more important than speed. Who cares if you can get 4G if the service is so saturated that you get less than 3G speeds and constantly drop the connection. The funny part is that AT&T is actually the fastest based on national average, but ask iPhone users on the west coast about their service and they'll tell you how crap it is. Until we reach a point where you always get service regardless of where you are, speed is less important.

    2. Re:Pop Quiz by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 1

      As a Northwest AT&T customer, their coverage is not a thorough as my Verizon phone was, but the data network is faster. That's in the Portland metro area.

    3. Re:Pop Quiz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with iPhones on AT&T dropping calls is iPhone, not AT&T. You'll hear the same thing from an iPhone on T-Mobile customer.

  6. Or (c) buy the 3G iPad by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It seems to me that the iPad should have just come with either

    Rather than your two overly technical options which sound just as annoying and don't give you WiFi for other devices, you could also just buy the 3G iPad which requires no contract and lets you go month to month buying service if you like.

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    1. Re:Or (c) buy the 3G iPad by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      But the 3G iPad is only compatible with AT&T's network in the United States. If you want to use Sprint, you'll need extra hardware.

      And since when are overly technical options not desirable on Slashdot? :-P

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  7. But no GPS with WiFi only! by ad454 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The WiFi-only version of the iPad and the iPod Touch are both missing one key feature present in the 3G iPad and iPhone, that I personally consider to be very important. And that is GPS! And that is a shame, since GPS maps look especially nice in the iPad's XGA and the retina display on the latest iPhone and iPod Touches.

    There are external GPS hacks on iOS devices like:

    But these are awkward to use, and in my experience, a lot of GPS software does not work with these hacks, as they do with Apple's built-in GPS receivers.

    1. Re:But no GPS with WiFi only! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the price a Garmin is going for these days, if you really needed GPS its about the same as opting for your fully loaded iPIG, I mean iPAD.
      But like you said what is important to one isn't as important to another.

    2. Re:But no GPS with WiFi only! by digitallife · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's funny, GPS on my base model iPad works great.

    3. Re:But no GPS with WiFi only! by hitmark · · Score: 1

      I guess the reason for this is that they make use of online routing.

      I suspect this is done to save battery (and storage) by cutting down on the cpu usage (as well as allowing the map data to always be up to date).

      Not that it would matter much, if said devices could use a bluetooth gps dongle with a third party provided offline map and route solution.

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    4. Re:But no GPS with WiFi only! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I live in the boonies, there is hope for using the wifi location services. Granted it isn't really worth if you are just travelling, but it make sense if it's your home or somewhere the effort is warranted. I'ts not too hard really. Basically you can find the MAC of your wifi access point and submit it to skyhook wireless whom provides the wifi location services for iOS.

      http://appletoolbox.com/2010/07/ipad-your-location-could-not-be-determined-fix/

  8. This is funny America home of the free by JDmetro · · Score: 1

    and your phones are locked. And yet in Namibia a third world country it is illegal to sell locked phones.

    1. Re:This is funny America home of the free by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      and your phones are locked. And yet in Namibia a third world country it is illegal to sell locked phones.

      Yes, that's why so many Americans are migrating to Namibia.

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    2. Re:This is funny America home of the free by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You misunderstand what 'Free' means in American English. It means that the government is not allowed to exploit you - that job is left to corporations. See also: Libertarianism.

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    3. Re:This is funny America home of the free by puto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I will take the locked phones instead of your high level of Aids, Malaria, and high unemployment. And of course the trafficking in Child labor. Yes you can stay in paradise.

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  9. Your "GPS" is wifi-based by rsborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's funny, GPS on my base model iPad works great.

    And won't work in the boonies.

    The iPad wifi "GPS" is based on wifi points, and can work somewhat in the city, just like the original iPhone did.

    There is no dedicated GPS chip in either.

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    1. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by farnsworth · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's funny, GPS on my base model iPad works great.

      And won't work in the boonies.

      The iPad wifi "GPS" is based on wifi points, and can work somewhat in the city, just like the original iPhone did.

      There is no dedicated GPS chip in either.

      The GPS on my iPhone 4 doesn't work in the boonies, either. Or if it does work, it takes far too long to lock a signal making it essentially useless.

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    2. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by theRiallatar · · Score: 1

      That would be because it's not gps. It's triangulation of signals based on nearby cell towers and relative signal strength. No towers? Outta luck! Only one tower? Sucks! You're 10 miles off. Like the GP said, just drop the $80 on a Garmin or TomTom or what have you.

    3. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by vijayiyer · · Score: 1

      Yes it is. The cell towers help acquire the satellite signals. Pilots can use an iPad 3G for moving map charts as long as they acquire the satellites first on the ground.

    4. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not cell towers. The gps feature also works on the iPod Touch, which doesn't even have a cellular radio.

    5. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by digitallife · · Score: 1

      LMAO
      You think I get great locations in apps like google maps from *wifi points*? I knew apple hating was in fashion, but I didn't know checking your brain at the door was cool too.

    6. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by rsborg · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by digitallife · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't even include that software in iOS devices anymore, and furthermore it was used in addition to cell and gps technologies to speed up location data, never as stand alone location finder. Clearly anyone who thinks iOS devices use wifi points to find location has never used an iOS device. For example, my fathers house out in the boonies has no wifi networks in range, and yet My iPad gets the location perfectly. I don't even know why I'm talking to you.

    8. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by elbisivni · · Score: 1

      The touch, and wifi iPad both use skyhook wifi base station triangulation. Neither have gps hardware. Can be pretty accurate, especially in urban areas.

      The iPad 3G and iPhones do have gps hardware. They can use skyhook and phone network triangulation to speed up the initial acquisition, but they're real GPS by any definition of the term.

    9. Re:Your "GPS" is wifi-based by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The overdrive has an embedded GPS.

  10. 3G iPad doesn't work in a LOT of places by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    you could also just buy the 3G iPad which requires no contract and lets you go month to month buying service if you like.

    You mean, YOU can. I have a 3G/GPS iPad, and the 3G feature is useless, because ATT doesn't serve this area. Verizon does, but I have to tell you, at the rates they're charging for so little data with their widget (which I'd have no trouble slapping into our car), I'll stick to wifi anyway. Heck, even our McDonald's has free wifi, I just drive into the parking lot and I'm on, and with their blessings. Likewise a bunch of other places, and in front of my house where my network is locked down, but of course I can use it.

    The phone companies are milking this 3G thing for far more than I value it, and as long as that goes on, it won't cost me a penny. What amazes me is that it seems like a lot of phone customers are putting up with it.

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    1. Re:3G iPad doesn't work in a LOT of places by SHaFT7 · · Score: 1

      They put up with it because it is convenient. Anything that the masses don't have to "think" about is one less "worry" for them. Sometimes this is good. Most of the time it is not.

  11. Re:Good for ... who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    666 Amy Loves Satan 4ever 666

  12. iPad 3G is not locked by prichardson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Contrary to the summary and many comments here, the iPad is unlocked. It will take any micro-SIM.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad#Storage_and_SIM

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    1. Re:iPad 3G is not locked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPad 3G is de facto locked to AT&T in the US, since T-Mobile doesn't use the 3G/UMTS bands AT&T use. T-Mobile USA users only get EDGE. I assume most people will want to get 3G service when they are paying for it (excluding coverage issues).

    2. Re:iPad 3G is not locked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure... go get a MicroSim for Sprint .... For those who care, Sprint uses the CDMA technology which doesn't use SIM cards, therefor your only choices for using the 3G on the iPad are AT&T and T-Mobile, and maybe the handful of regional carriers that they partner with.

    3. Re:iPad 3G is not locked by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it's not. If you go to any other country you can slap a local SIM card in it and get going. That's what we call "not locked".

      Can't do that with a locked phone. As for T-Mobile, while Edge is way slower than 3G, it is still internet and it still works well.

    4. Re:iPad 3G is not locked by n2art2 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean it's locked. That means it's not compatible with sprint's network technology.

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  13. VOIPADIFYPOOGLE by poly_pusher · · Score: 1

    Acronyms are so passe nowadays. So it should probably be called the VOIPADIFYPOOGLE package...

  14. Please, can't take anymore! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more excuses for AT&T please.

  15. Misread by WetCat · · Score: 1

    I read the headline like "Why Apple's iPad Has Been Good For Spirit"

  16. AT&T's Data Network by DougReed · · Score: 1

    Never mind AT&T's data network. Normal telephone calls drop in their garbage network. I guess it surprised them that people actually wanted to make phone calls too. Their network has been horrible forever. When I lived in L.A. and had AT&T service. I complained to their customer service about the constant call drops and was told .. "but hey! We have the best coverage of any carrier in Barstow!". Nice to know that both families that live in Barstow can call each other, because user's who live in America's biggest cities cannot.

    1. Re:AT&T's Data Network by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      I know it's cool and all to knock AT&T now, but c'mon guys. Think about this rationally. They're just networks. And you have other networks. Yes, we should have more competition and providers should be better for us. But you're all forgetting the simple solution, which I have done.

      Sign up and test all 4 networks (Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile). They all have 30-day windows where you can cancel and not be locked into a contract (T-Mobile doesn't even have a lock-in). Get it, test it in all the spots you use your phone, and see how the reception is. Drive around, test to see if you get incoming calls, *every time*. Test to see if you always get a VM immediately. Test it. It took me all of 1 hour total to do everything for each network. And when you return it, you don't even have to pay for the phone. Yes you have to pay for the month. Well just test a new network every month.

      Don't you think this is a small amount of effort to avoid locking yourself into potentially having shitty cell service for an entire 2 years?

      If I had listened to your advice, I wouldn't have found that AT&T in the area I live is actually the best by a significant margin (even over the "coveted" Verizon).

      The one demerit I have to give AT&T, however, is on the receiving (read: my end) end, the audio quality is really poor. But it could just be the IPhone 3GS I have that has a shitty receiver. Never had any other phone on AT&T. But on the flipside, oddly enough the person on the other end says it almost sounds as good as POTS. VZ and oddly enough T-Mobile (similiar network protocol) sound infinitely better.

  17. Limited to AT&T? Another troll story or an ad by swb · · Score: 1

    Is this just a troll summary to generate page views, an ad for Sprint, or are the submitter & editor really that brain damaged?

    Other than the outrageous upcharge, iPad 3G models have the same Wifi abilities of the non-3G iPads and are just as able to use cellular data portable hotspots as Wifi-only models.

    I'm sure "Why would you?" is the obvious retort, and while *I* wouldn't, I can imagine that some people end up with 3G iPads because they didn't pay for them, they bought them used or they want to use them in an area with no/poor AT&T 3G coverage.

  18. Re:Limited to AT&T? Another troll story or an by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me jump in and say that my company makes a nice short curved blade knife and many people are buying apples and paring them with our knives. It's been so good for our business.

  19. 3G version has wi-fi by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    The 3G version has wifi too...I bought it for the GPS. I have AT&T data service on my iPhone. I have a problem with having to pay double to get it on the iPad. It's not like I'm going to be surfing on two devices at the same time. Why can't I punch my account into the other device. And it wouldn't be too difficult to look at the packets for the device serial number and only allow one of them to work at any given time.

  20. ussls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sprint paying /. for this?

  21. Just a thought... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    ...but if you were to root your Evo, and install the wireless tether app...4G Ipad...problem solved.

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