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Saving Lives On the Battlefield With Green Tech

Harperdog writes "This article describes the efforts by some in the Pentagon to save lives by using renewable energy in the battlefield. 'Seventy percent of all convoys carried liquid fossil fuels, and attacks on convoys ... account for about half of all the casualties. Generators consumed more of the fuel brought in than did combat vehicles and air support.' It's a good description of energy efficient projects already happening in Iraq. '... the first significant response in a combat zone came with the investment of almost $100 million for insulating thousands of tents in the two war zones. Before, air conditioners in summer and heaters in winter powered by generators controlled the climate inside the tents used as barracks, dining halls and offices. Now they spray foam so it covers the exterior of the tents like shaving cream. Foaming the tents saves the military $2 million a day in avoided energy costs. This translates into a payback of less than two months. It saves 100,000 gallons of fuel per day, taking 4,000 trucks off the road each year."

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  1. Saving lives by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anybody ever find that phrase ironic when applied to the military?

    Granted, this isn't directly like some of the more egregious examples. Usually, "saving lives" involves killing more of "them".

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    1. Re:Saving lives by Americano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I sometimes wonder how often the idea "We could eliminate 100% of American troop casualties if we just kill everybody else in the world. if there is nobody else to fight, then we don't have to send anybody over there, and we eliminate all possibility of getting shot by enemy forces" surfaces in high level discussions.

      I'm going to guess just about never, except in your histrionic fever dreams where everybody in the military is an unstoppable bloodthirsty murderer who just wants to kill everybody else around them.

    2. Re:Saving lives by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah I know, it's not like the United States ever takes whole carrier groups and parks them off of impoverished third world nations that have just endured a hurricane or an earthquake. Doctors from all branches certainly haven't slaved over nearly innumerable numbers of battered and wounded refugees supported by an immense web of logistics paid for by the American taxpayer with no questions asked. Supplies are never airlifted nor delivered by sea to airfields and ports secured by US servicemen. Yeah, what fucking irony, you ignorant and blind ideologue shitheads.

      (Here the epithet "shitheads" is applied as much or more to the replies of this thread than the parent.)

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    3. Re:Saving lives by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, and the ambulance company sends you a bill too, does that mean you spit in the EMT's eyes? Whether somebody's life is saved by 'pure altruism' or some geopolitical machination is immaterial to the fact that the person's life was saved, and some people had to work damn hard to do it, regardless of whether they were paid or that was 'just their job,' that doesn't negate that hard work was done to save lives.

      I reiterate: shitheads.

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    4. Re:Saving lives by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah I know, it's not like the United States ever takes whole carrier groups and parks them off of impoverished third world nations that have just endured a hurricane or an earthquake. Doctors from all branches certainly haven't slaved over nearly innumerable numbers of battered and wounded refugees supported by an immense web of logistics paid for by the American taxpayer with no questions asked. Supplies are never airlifted nor delivered by sea to airfields and ports secured by US servicemen. Yeah, what fucking irony, you ignorant and blind ideologue shitheads. (Here the epithet "shitheads" is applied as much or more to the replies of this thread than the parent.)

      You don't need a heavily armed, aggressive military to do humanitarian and rescue work, you ignorant and blind ideologue shithead.

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  2. Re:$400/gal adds up fast by metrometro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just imagine the serious cost savings that might come from quitting the damn wars.

  3. So, the military budget can be cut? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh wait, no, course not.

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  4. Keep going ... by alexibu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then transfer the green ideas back to USA and the war itself may not be necessary.

  5. Re:Please Leave the Politics Out Of This by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it in almost every military related article posted here, it inevitably turns political?

    Because war and politics go hand in hand.

    Funny how the "hippie dippies" are aware of this and it completely sails over your head.

  6. Re:Those people can't see the forest for the trees by cavePrisoner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a basic confusion of who makes decisions. Troops go to war because the President/Congress/The People tell them to. If you have a beef with them, this is a democracy. Vote. Don't take it out on the Pentagon for trying to protect its troops.

    Besides, if you think about it, this strategy removes targets from the battlefield. Fewer targets mean fewer attacks. Fewer attacks mean less dead on both sides. In Vietnam (remember John Kerry?), they used swift boats intentionally as targets to draw the enemy into fighting to make the death counts higher. This time they're doing the opposite. Shouldn't that be a good thing?

  7. Re:$400/gal adds up fast by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He said, "...[quit] the damn wars."

    He didn't say, "Fire all police, get rid of the FBI, CIA, and NSA, disband the army, navy, marines, and airforce."

    The former is quite sensible. Iraq and Afghanistan can't be won the way, say, WW2 was. There's no one in charge to surrender and no standing army to be told to lay down arms. Rather than bitching about people supposedly wanting the US to lose, they could see reality for what it is and cut their loses before they waste more lives and more money for absolutely nothing.

  8. Re:$400/gal adds up fast by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Countries should avoid going into a war at all costs.

    No, countries should understand and be very clear on the principles they consider non-negotiable, that they are willing to fight and die for. Avoiding war 'at all costs' means you might as well just roll over and let the closest despot with a gun take over.

    And if it's a democracy, the citizens should educate themselves and stop voting for people who send young men and women to fight and die in engagements that do not match up with the principles that country has decided are worth fighting and dying for.

    There's always something worth fighting, and even dying for, if necessary. If the only determining factor in whether or not you go to war is "how much will it cost?" then you have serious moral and ethical problems endemic to your government, and by extension, endemic to your citizenry.

    If it's a case where my country has said, "X is worth fighting and dying for," then I want "X" to be achieved at the lowest cost possible - in terms of economics, in terms of lives of my fellow citizens, and in terms of lives of the civilians on the other side, with the business end of the gun pointed at them.

  9. Re:Those people can't see the forest for the trees by Smauler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Troops go to war because the President/Congress/The People tell them to.

    No. Troops go to war because they decide to... they are not automatons. Every single one of those troops has gone to war decided that going to war is the best option for them. You should not surrender your integrity when you enter the service.

    That being said, I think _most_ of them made the correct choice, since they have been put in difficult positions. Some may feel the war is just, some may not. For the latter, the negatives against following orders have not been large enough. More responsibility lies with those who decided upon the war, but some still rests with those who carried it out. "I was just following orders" is not an excuse.

  10. Re:Please Leave the Politics Out Of This by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm just trying to figure out why people get the label "hippie" when they complain about war for profit, power and political coin.

    I'm not a peacenik, hell, I love weapons. I own weapons. I love a righteous war (like WW II) and I love to see evil scum get blown up, shot up, burned up. yeah, come get some!!

    BUT,

    I get the label "unpatriotic" "hippie" "traitor" when I complain about these bullshit pseudo-wars that the U.S. is inflicting on innocents, to line defense contractors and construction contractors pockets, and to have a rallying point for politicians who have failed to do their most basic of duties, and to provide an excuse for power-mongers to deprive us of liberties and build a police state.