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Google Bans Sale of Android Spying App

dbune writes "Google is not letting a handset application that spies on someone's text messages be sold at its Android App Store. The Secret SMS Replicator developed by DLP Mobile to help lovers find out if their partners are cheating on them violates company policy, according to Google. The app works by secretly duplicating incoming text messages and forwarding these to another mobile phone number."

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  1. iPhone version? by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Informative

    DLP Mobile also tried to sell the app on Apple's iPhone app store but was rejected.

    I doubt that. The iPhone walls off SMS messages from apps. Apple can't have rejected it - you can't write it.

    1. Re:iPhone version? by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      DLP Mobile also tried to sell the app on Apple's iPhone app store but was rejected.

      I doubt that. The iPhone walls off SMS messages from apps. Apple can't have rejected it - you can't write it.

      Sure you can. If it exists on the iPhone, you can weasel your way around and get at 'em. However, you're probably going to have to use enough private APIs and the like that you'll be rejected immediately for failing the static code test.

      Anyhow, it's not like Android doesn't warn you - isn't that widely approved "permission list" that it pops up going to tell you it has access to SMS and the like? (Even though in practice with Joe User, it fails miserably since Joe User doesn't read dialogs and such things just impede progress to their goal of playing with the app).

      Finally, I think it's an app that has been marketed truthfully. All this will do now is have other app developers embed such functionality into their apps now from all the news. Suddenly all those "2-factor bank SMS" things don't seem so secure anymore, do they?

    2. Re:iPhone version? by ceejayoz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyhow, it's not like Android doesn't warn you - isn't that widely approved "permission list" that it pops up going to tell you it has access to SMS and the like?

      If you have access to someone else's phone to install this spyware, you have access to approve the SMS permissions on install. The person being spied on gets no warning.

      Finally, I think it's an app that has been marketed truthfully.

      It's an app designed to be installed on someone else's phone without their consent.

  2. Its rather Ironic by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its rather Ironic that a company who's business relies on spying (cough) tracking what other people do should ban an app designed to track what people are doing.

    1. Re:Its rather Ironic by noidentity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, because someone who knows you spying on your text messages is exactly the same as some software gathering demographic information that will be used to better market things to large groups of people.

    2. Re:Its rather Ironic by pak9rabid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which Golden Rule is that? Last I checked it was "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The Golden Rule [wikipedia.org]

      Yes, but in practice, it's usually "he who has the gold makes the rules".

    3. Re:Its rather Ironic by sorak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I choose to go to google, knowing that they will use that information to sell me ads. This software is about someone's wife or husband slipping a trojan on another person's phone that will forward all text messages to him/her.

      Do you not see a difference?

    4. Re:Its rather Ironic by cgenman · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I see you are attempting to spy on your relatives and loved ones. You might also be interested in this trailer for Mission Impossible 4."

  3. But you can still get it, right? by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't one of the advantages of Android the ability to install apps from other than the Google app store? So people who really want this thing can still get it, independently of Google's disapproving glare, right?

    Genuinely curious about this.

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    1. Re:But you can still get it, right? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correct, provided you don't have a carrier-locked-down Android phone that prevents you from installing apps from sources other than the official market (though that kind of thing is quite rare...I believe there are only a couple out of the myriad of Android devices set up like this.)

    2. Re:But you can still get it, right? by immakiku · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes indeed. I am much less concerned about this decision than I would if this happened on App Stores. I think Google's point is that they don't want a stalker to sneak 2 minutes on a target's phone while they're going to the bathroom and install the app easily from the Android App Store.

  4. Re:so much for being open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's malicious in exactly the same way as someone installing a USB keylogger in an internet cafe - they have to have physical access to the machine!

  5. Re:so much for being open by fbjon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's malicious as in illegal. Your freedoms do not extend to covert snooping on other peoples conversations.

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  6. Re:so much for being open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    apparently you don't have teenage children

  7. Re:so much for being open by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    isn't the Android Market supposed to be more open than the App store?

    Absolutely! It's amazing what you can do and still be more open than the App store.

    Jokes aside, Google has a degree of responsibility over the apps that they sell to you. It's perfectly reasonable for them to refuse to sell an app which is specifically designed to be installed without the knowledge or consent of the phone's regular user and who's purpose is to spy on the regular user (with costing the owner money from extra SMSs as a side effect), as that can easily be considered illegal. If you really want this program on your phone then Android is open enough to let you install it, but you'll have to get it from somewhere other than Android Market.

  8. Re:so much for being open by erroneus · · Score: 4, Funny

    He could have spelled it "yore" :) I am as annoyed by misspelling of your/you're, there/their, thats/that's, then/than as you probably are. Turns out that complaining/correcting doesn't have any affect on the masses. But then again, I am not sure anyone has ever tried putting it on a road-side billboard yet... so let's get a "correct you're damned english" foundation put together and by some signage.

  9. What irritates me the most by C_Kode · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What irritates me the most is how many apps now request access to my GPS data. I mean, why does Com2Us's Homerun Battle 3D need to know my GPS location? It's a freaking game! Pageonce personal finance or Live Scores? Why do you need to know where I'm at?

    You don't. You just want to sell my information.

    1. Re:What irritates me the most by faedle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This.

      It's even more annoying when you are somewhere you know you won't get good GPS information and have intentionally turned it off. Groupon's applet is particularly annoying in this regard. Dammit, just load and log me in to my account and give me the deals for the city I told you I was in.. don't sit there and freeze while you try to get a GPS fix that may never happen because I'm in the subway.

  10. Re:so much for being open by FrederikNS · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is "...effect on the masses", "correct your damned english" and "buy some signage"

  11. Re:so much for being open by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is.
    A) This is a snooping app, and malicious.

    B) With a simple selection in the options on the phone, you can install it from another site.

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  12. Re:so much for being open by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or, develop a good relationship with your children instead of once again relying on technology to babysit for you.

    Talk to your kids about behaving responsibly, and openly talk with them about their concerns, and yours.

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  13. Re:so much for being open by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't need to know what my computers are doing at all times in the background. To steal an infomercial catch phrase, I like to set it and forget it.

    There’s a difference between “out of sight, out of mind” and “if I go looking for it, it tries to hide”.

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  14. Lovers? by Malc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Secret SMS Replicator developed by DLP Mobile to help lovers find out if their partners are cheating

    Call me "old fashioned, but they don't sound much like lovers to me!

  15. Re:Good For Google by paeanblack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if this app smelled like roses and shat apple pies, it shouldn't be allowed in the app store.

    It's not about 'evil intent', it's about a program that behaves badly...it doesn't appear in the list of installed apps, it doesn't use the normal install/uninstall procedures, etc.

    I can think of several legitimate, useful reasons for an app that duplicates text messages, even if such a program could be used maliciously. OTOH, a piece of code that circumvents the OS to hide itself? That's not an application. "Applications" are expected to mostly conform to certain norms on how they interact with the user and the OS.

    There is no heavy-handedness on Google for kicking this one to the curb.

  16. Re:so much for being open by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Wii has a great system where it just records daily activity to a friendly little log, and stamps Mario's smile on it. There is no way to delete it, alter it, move it, or whatnot. And they put it in its own friendly little calendar view where file activities like faking your usage or deleting the log doesn't really come up. They've invisibly made it completely natural that the system records what you do, and that you can't do anything about it.

  17. Re:so much for being open by unjedai · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is, "correct your damned English."

  18. Well intentioned, but misguided by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not the OP, but the replies.

    I used to think EXACTLY like that, until I had children of my own. We often tend to think in terms of one-size-fits-all, or "if it works for me it should work for you". This is very likely human nature, so I'm not denigrating anyone. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth. I have three teenage step-daughters. To say the older two have been "challenging", would be the understatement of the century. In a nice suburban home, with decent income, a loving mother and step-father, a good school system, dinner at the table, help with homework, support and encouragement; I've had to deal with drugs, law enforcement, runaways, and a very, VERY serious suicide attempt. I can't even begin to tell the readers of this site the complete and utter hell I've endured in the last few years. I wish this upon no one. Yet through it all, I love them with every fiber of my being.

    Unless you are prepared to lock your child in their room until they are 18, there are forces acting on them that are well beyond the parents' control. It's fantasy to think that good parenting will overcome all. I'm a step-father because the biological father passed away. That does more than a little damage to a child, and no amount of therapy (been there), talking (done that), and good parenting (always) can fix it. There can be neuro-chemical imbalances that you just can't sit down with a child and rationally talk away. Problems can often happen faster than you can detect or address. Teenagers, even good ones, are deceitful by nature as they want to explore the world and there place in it...unencumbered by their parents views or morality. Of course, you do everything you can to prepare them for the challenges, pitfalls, and evils of the world; but there will be missteps, and a rare few can have permanent consequences.

    The point of my little self-pity party, is that while "spying" on your children may not be for everyone, or even desirable by anyone, it should be tool at a parent's disposal if they deem it necessary. While I don't disagree with Google's decision to pull it from their store, I would have words with anyone who tried to keep me from having that technology when it was available because if their own rose-colored world-view from atop the ivory tower. Had we had the ability to see our daughter's text messages, it might have spared her five days in ICU and another ten in a step-down hospital room. As a parent, I can tell you there is simply no price too great to pay to prevent that...nothing, and I mean NOTHING is off the table.

    Having gone though what I have, I've met many parents with similar stories. While you never really know what goes on behind closed doors, most of them do not strike me as the kind of people who let technology babysit their children. They don't seem to be absent in their children's lives. They don't seem to be anything other than loving, conscientious parents who for whatever reason, found themselves dealing with problems no parent ever wants to face; and are looking for any way possible to protect their children.

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    1. Re:Well intentioned, but misguided by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd like to respond to these AC's for those who are reading this part of the discussion with interest:

      AC1) After the ordeal and due to extenuating circumstances, we had cause to have an attorney contact our cell carrier who then provided transcripts of that child's text messages. Through those, we found several references to suicide, as well as a "final goodbye" an hour before the attempt. My daughter wasn't some emo goth kid, always looking depressed. She seemed outright happy, even more so than usual in the week leading up to her attempt. She had good grades and played violin in the school orchestra. She wasn't an over-achiever or a type-a kind of person; and we aren't the kind of parents that pressure the kids into achievement. We want them to succeed, but be happy and stress-free too. She's just naturally talented, academically.

      It's not about spying. Parents have better things to do than read every single text message their kids send out. It is about having tools at your disposal if you think you need them. Kids don't always talk to their parents when things aren't going well, and parents can't make them.

      AC2) It is very likely they were already "broken toys" in some respects before they lived with me, but that in no way absolves me of responsibility in terms of how I parent or protect them. Despite my lack of biological input, they are very much "children of my own". Not so much because I say so...because they do. As the youngest once told me on Fathers Day: Anyone can be a father. It takes someone very special to be a dad. I tear up just typing it.

      AC3) While I won't stop worrying or caring when they're 18, my role in their lives will be diminished. Once they leave the house, it will be up to them to forge their path and make their decisions. See below.

      AC4) I suppose that is the slippery slope isn't it. It's the "Think of the Children" bumper sticker that gets slapped all over everything, and ends up having lasting implications and repercussions for everyone else. I really don't want that either. I think this decision is different for everyone, and different people may come to it at different points (or not at all) given the same set of circumstances. So I guess I'm saying, I won't insist that everyone should read their children's text messages, and in exchange for everyone not telling me what's best for my particular situation. Because if you haven't walked in my shoes, then you really don't have the right. You can try to empathize and see yourself in my situation, but you would be so far from the reality. You just don't know...and really can't know...unless you've gone through it. And if you aren't a parent, while your feelings aren't devoid of merit, you haven't earned a seat at the discussion.

      I know what I'm about to say next is total flame-bait for the younger readers. As long as you are a minor, you don't have the same expectation of privacy or freedom as you do when you're an adult. You can expect *some* level, but not total. Not having total freedom is no surprise to anyone living under the heavy mantle of their parents' Stalinist Regime. But privacy? Do parents honestly think their children should not have total privacy? This one does. I want to know where they are, whom they are with, and what they are doing at all times it is possible to know such things. Is it an invasion of privacy? Sure. But it's also being a good parent. I should I add that the level of this microscope was earned by my daughters. They used to have a lot more freedom and privacy. I do have some degree of trust in my daughters, I'm just not gullible. I know they will make mistakes. I know they will get hurt. I don't expect or even want them to be perfect. Happy, healthy, and safe is all I'm looking for. Everything else will be up to them. I wouldn't read their text messages any more than I would read their diary. If I thought their lives were in danger though? They can hate me for the rest of their lives. I'll just be grateful they have a "rest of their lives" in which they can hate me.

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  19. Re:so much for being open by jhigh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Parents should just be parents. We're not supposed to have complete trust in our children...they're children! They do dumb stuff! Does this mean that we should sneak around and covertly monitor everything that they do? Absolutely not. However, my children (who are not quite teenagers yet but will be sooner than I would like) will be made fully aware that their right to privacy ends the second that I think that there might be a problem. They will know that at any time I reserve the right to pick up their phone and go through it, sift through browser history or whatever. Kids should not be subject to constant covert monitoring, but it doesn't mean that parents should give up their authority entirely, either.

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  20. Re:so much for being open by index0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unless you have a smart kid and knows that if you start the wii in maintenance mode (hold - and +, then press A at health warning screen) the games you play are not logged.

  21. Re:Good For Google by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Somehow a "parental control" spy app is orders of magnitude creepier than a "suspicious spouse" spy app...

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  22. Re:so much for being open by tibman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had stupid amounts of freedom and discovered that stricter kids went crazy when they finally left the house.

    My Mom's rules were:
    1) "Clean up your own messes."
    2) "Be polite to guests that are over."
    3) "Learn something new every day."
    My Dad was constantly deployed and played a smaller role in parenting.

    If i skipped class or did poorly on a test and the school called the House to talk to my Mom.. she would ask them if they have talked to me about it yet. If not, she would ask them to speak with me about school related problems first because only the school and myself have the ability to directly change an outcome.

    This set the stage for how i live my life. Laws aren't a substitute for morals. Laws aren't something to obey because The Man will catch you. It's up to the individual to internalize the differences and learn (usually through experience) why rules exist and specifically why. Everyone reading probably breaks the law every day.. speeding. But very few if any are breaking the spirit of the thing and that is to set a safe speed to travel at. Police obviously are supposed to enforce the law to the letter but from experience we know a good officier is lenient and follows the spirit of the law. After all, we are Human.. not machines.

    Strict kids go fucking nuts when they get out of the house. No rules man! That's because they haven't internalized the reasons for the law existing.. it was pressed upon them from above.

    all imo, of course.

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