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Real-Time Holograms Beam Closer To Reality

sciencehabit writes "It's not quite the flickering blue projection of Princess Leia begging, 'Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope!' from the classic sci-fi movie Star Wars, but holographic projection has just beamed a bit closer to reality. Researchers in Arizona have devised a novel plastic film that can be used to generate holographic 3D images sent electronically from one location to another. The technology opens the door for everything from holographic surgery to movies that literally surround the viewer."

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  1. Re:Movies that literally surround the viewer? by CyprusBlue113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The goal with that wouldn't be for you to take it all in, the focus would still be at singular points, or on an overall scene. The goal would be the feeling of complete immersion in the movie, which would be *amazing*.

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  2. Bad news by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
    Without him life would be much dimmer
    He's handsome, brave, and no one's slimmer
    He will never use a Zimmer.

    (Let's just say that's one smeghead I never want to see again!)

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  3. Surgery? by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Funny

    How's a hologram going to take my appendix out?

    Oh...

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    1. Re:Surgery? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My question is, "Why this push to do remote surgery?" I can see why in specialized cases, but wouldn't the expense to fly the patient or doctor and staff/equipment to an appropriate place be cheaper at this point? Would the cost differences ever merge to the point that holographic remote surgery is feasible?

      That's a good question on per-procedure costs.

      But there are tons of other cost savings and benefits... like the cost of having a dozen(s) different specialist surgeons at every hospital. Access to better surgeons, not just whatever-surgeon-your-local-hospital-is-affiliated-with.

      But think of the possibilities of offshoring! An insurance company could save millions upon millions each year by paying surgeon salaries in India or China instead of in the US.

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  4. Use for storing data? by mlts · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if this technology can help further holographic storage. Holographic storage has been hovering at the edges for a while now, and maybe this might be the impetus that drives this mainstream.

    Of course, it wouldn't be memristor fast, nor compete with SSDS, but as a medium to replace tapes or WORM optical storage for low speed, high capacity, it would be ideal, assuming the archival life of bits stored in 3D is up to par.

  5. Re:Movies that literally surround the viewer? by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Porn. That is all.

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  6. Every 2 seconds? by Ambvai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So this thing updates every 2 seconds [with a 100x one in the works]... compared to typical games running at 30-60 times per second? But another interesting question-- exclusive of processing power, is the refresh rate limited by size, or can it scale up pretty much indefinitely?...and CAN it be large? The image makes it look like it's difficult to maintain.

    1. Re:Every 2 seconds? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So this thing updates every 2 seconds [with a 100x one in the works]

      Holy crap how did you misread that so bad? It's every 2 seconds now, which is more than 100 times quicker than it was two years ago. That's a huge improvement in a short period of time, and it is only going to get better. They need another order of magnitude (10 times) improvement to get it to a reasonable frame-rate of 30fps. Expect that in another year or so.

      Also note that this is live video at 0.5fps. They could probably get that order of magnitude improvement if they weren't shooting live.

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    2. Re:Every 2 seconds? by monopole · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking w/ 30+ years of experience in holography, this is going to be really miserable to make practical. The computation involved is hideous for realistic scenes and the bandwidth is insane. If you want to get real time and something better than sick figures you have to heavily constrain the wavefront reconstruction.

      A true hologram reconstructs the entire wavefront emanating from a scene, which gives it it's unique nature. Cut back the bandwidth and the realism or the viewing angle go to hell.

  7. Re:Movies that literally surround the viewer? by CCarrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why on earth would I want that? I have a hard enough time taking everything in with 3D movies!

    just think of the gaming possibilities...talk about a first person shooter!

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  8. Re:yet another excuse... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    5 years. It's always 5 years away. Has been that way ever since I can remember.

    Keep saving for the Holodeck. It's good for the economy (I guess).

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  9. Refresh? by demonbug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sort of interesting, but the video doesn't really show the image being updated - it just goes from a blank bit of plastic to one with the hologram etched inside. The article also doesn't really make it clear if the same bit of plastic can be re-used fro the next image, which it seems would be a requirement to show video; if that's the case, why don't they show the image being changed? It's great that they can make the image in 2.15 seconds, but how long does it take to erase and write the next one?

    1. Re:Refresh? by DubC · · Score: 5, Informative

      The same bit of plastic can be re-used for every image, and there are more videos that show the material being re-used. Check out the BBC coverage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11685582

  10. Re:Movies that literally surround the viewer? by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Think of Avatar, but as a video game (you don't watch the protagonist, you are the protagonist). That's where games are heading and will overtake movies. The holodeck.

  11. Re:Movies that literally surround the viewer? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    Holograms aren't about walking around the image (although they can be), they're about true 3D; 3D that uses all the visual cues for depth rather than just one (or 2D plus one more cue).

    Today's 3D movies aren't really 3D, they're stereoscopes. Your right eye sees a slightly different image than your left eye, and your brain combines them.

    With a hologram, if your eye focuses on something close in the image, things farther away blur, and if your eye focuses on something farther away the foreground blurs. With stereoscopy, the camera does all the focusing, which is why some people get eyestrain with it -- the parallax tells the brain an object is s certain distance away, while its focusing tells the brain it's a different distance.

    But as I said, TFA wasn't clear whether or not it's a true hologram, as it mentioned several cameras arrayed aroud the subject. With a hologram, you have one camera and two lasers.

    I wish I could find a more technical FA about this, it looks fascinating.

  12. CNN by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what? They've had this on CNN for at least 2 years now.

    And man, it's made their news reporting so much better.

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  13. Projection into the air by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We see things because light either comes from, through or bounces off of the things we see. The problem with our concept of projected holograms is that we need to get the light to do something special in the air. Either we cause light to be generated in the air or somehow cause a reaction with particles in the air at specified points. Projecting onto mist and smoke in the air has been successful. We know how to bounce things off of solid objects, even when those solid objects are in the form of tiny particles.

    So just as most people are WAY off in thinking that we can make lightsabers and blasters with laser beams, most are way off in thinking we can project light beams to create a hologram.

    It may never be possible until we start working out how we can teleport antimatter streams into patterns into 3D spaces occupied by existing matter. A matter+antimatter reaction in tiny amounts in air just might create the points of light needed to create holographic images in the air. Even that would not be sustainable for a video stream, I fear, as all sorts of things are likely to go awry while antimatter reacts with the matter particles in the air.

    Projecting light onto a plastic film is a LONG way from creating a hologram in the air and it is probably moving in the wrong direction even to try.

    1. Re:Projection into the air by Interoperable · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A matter-antimatter reaction in air might work if your eyes see gamma rays. Mine only see this lame portion of the spectrum called visible radiation.

      I also think it's a bit funny that you feel that an anti-matter teleporter is a more tractable problem than a free-space hologram. Here's an idea: use high-intensity infra-red beams to heat tiny pockets of air and then use the index-of-refraction gradient to deflect (or better yet, scatter) visible light. Maybe that won't work, but my point is that there just might be hologram technologies that are easier to implement than a teleporter.

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    2. Re:Projection into the air by Machtyn · · Score: 3, Funny

      I never thought I'd see a Resonance Cascade, let alone create one...

    3. Re:Projection into the air by CCarrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Projecting light onto a plastic film is a LONG way from creating a hologram in the air and it is probably moving in the wrong direction even to try.

      I have to disagree with you there. True, this is not the way to produce a 'true' three-dimensional light construct, at least not the way you or I imagine it, but anything that helps suspend disbelief and brings the environment closer to the user is worth pursuing.

      Just because this needs a solid surface to work from doesn't mean it is without worth. Line a room with these films and *poof*, instant 'teleportation' to wherever you feel like going. Can you imagine the benefits to the mobility challenged? A chance to see the pyramids, dive with the dolphins, or even just have dinner with the grandparents from halfway across the globe?

      (okay, okay, it also brings a new 'dimension' to feelie booths. ick.)

      If they feel they can do something with it, I say fly at 'er!

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  14. Re:Movies that literally surround the viewer? by CCarrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True that. Plus, I'd imagine watching this would provide even more headaches/accessibility problems than dear old 3D does now...so it'll probably be relegated to a niche market.

    That being said, way back when not many people expected this whole 'home computing' thing to take off, either...so who knows? If only my time machine weren't on the fritz again...and me fresh out of flux capacitors, too!

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  15. Re:yet another excuse... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keep saving for the Holodeck. It's good for the economy (I guess).

    No, it's better for the economy if he buys a 3D TV now. Followed by a "Real 3D" TV tomorrow, and a "Full 3D" after that. Or however they'll call the next few standards for 3D TV.

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  16. Re:Not a Holograph by Mr2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps I am missing something, but this technology doesn't seem like a holograph at all. It seems like it's a dynamic hologram.

    A holograph is a document written entirely in the handwriting of the person whose signature it bears.

    When I think holograph, I think about a three-dimensional figure of light being projected onto a table top.

    That's a special effect you see in movies. It's not real, and there's no real theory for how such a thing could even be made. Dismissing this real, working technology because it doesn't look like a Hollywood "hologram" is like dismissing a laser-powered rifle because it doesn't shoot a solid, brightly colored chunk of light that flies across the room like in Star Wars.

    (Sorry, I'm closely related to a pioneer in holography and worked in the field for several years, so I can be pedantic about it sometimes.)

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  17. Thank you summary, by HeckRuler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank you summary, I was unaware of where that quote came from. It is only due to your diligence that I am now informed of that piece of movie trivia.

  18. Re:Not a Holograph by TheSync · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's a special effect you see in movies. It's not real, and there's no real theory for how such a thing could even be made.

    You might want to see the AIST free space plasma display, as a theory on how such a thing could be made...

  19. Here's what holograms are by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a common misconception about holograms which has come about because of movie special effects.

    A real hologram can show the illusion of something floating in front of you, but only so long as your gaze is directed *at* the hologram. Thus, a hologram "picture" hanging on the wall can only show an object while you're looking at the picture, but direct your gaze to the wall left or right and you see the wall. You can see a little bit around the object, but you can't walk around and see behind it because then you would be looking away from the hologram.

    For a complete 3-d image you need a "band" of hologram that goes all around the room. Now, wherever you look you are looking into the hologram, and will see the image at the corresponding angle. The requirement to be looking at the hologram is still there - you can't look down through the object to the floor.

    If the hologram covered every surface of the room you could have a the illusion of a complete 3-d representation of an object. In this case you could walk around it and view it from any angle, including from below and from above.

    However, if another person were in the room with you, you could not see the object if they were between you and the wall. If they are opposite the image from you then you will see them, not the object. If you and they are at 90 degrees to the object, then you can see the object... but you can only walk around it to the point where the other person obscures your view of the wall.

    Holograms don't cause light to change direction in mid air. It's just an optical effect that 'kinda reverses the focus in a way that tricks your eyes into thinking there's an object there.