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Net Neutrality Supporters Hammered In Elections

Pickens writes "Gigi Sohn writes in the Huffington Post that one of the results of the mid-term elections was the defeat of Representative Rick Boucher, the current Chair of the House Subcommittee on Communications, Technology and the Internet, widely recognized as one of the most tech-savvy and intelligent members of Congress, and long an advocate for consumers on a wide variety of communications and intellectual property issues. Boucher has been the best friend of fair use on Capitol Hill writes Sohn. In 2002, 2003 and 2007, Boucher introduced legislation to allow consumers to break digital locks for lawful purposes, a fair use exception to the anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and while the odds against that legislation passing were always great, Boucher understood the symbolic importance of standing up for consumers' rights to use technology lawfully. 'As important, he served as a moderating force both on the House Energy & Commerce and Judiciary Committees against those many members of Congress willing to give large media companies virtually everything on their copyright wish lists.'"

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  1. Re:Net neutrality is not capitalism by orphiuchus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we only have 1 provider then that is an example of a market failure, and in that case it is not a violation of good market economics for the government to intervene. There are externalities imposed by the nature of the business that do require limited government regulation, I don't think that's to extreme a stance.

  2. Re:"net neutrality" is control play by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    because in that case Comcast forged traffic, they didn't limit anything. It was your network's stack response to forged packets that caused a slowdown.

    To a reasonable person, that's like saying "My plastic bag over your head isn't keeping you from breathing. It's your body's response to increasing levels of carbon dioxide that's causing you to black out."

    It's a cryin' shame our country is run by lawyers, rather than reasonable people.

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  3. Re:Net neutrality is not capitalism by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's funny you say that, because our ISPs in this country operate in a manner that is hardly conducive to a free market. They get money from the state, they get laws from the state that allow them to lay their cables on your property (even if don't want them), in some cases they get (or have gotten) state sanctioned monopolies (sometimes called franchise agreements), and I'm sure the mucking about in the FCC and Congressional telephony regulation probably insulates them from competitors. I think those are where the battles should really be fought, especially the outright monopolies that have been granted in the past.

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  4. No they were not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Net Neutrality was not on the radar of these voters. Support for net neutrality didn't hurt or save anyone.

    1. Re:No they were not by blair1q · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait. You actually believe that voters voted on substantive issues?

      These candidates were targeted by the corporations who don't want net neutrality. They heavily funded their opponents, no matter what nonsense the candidate's campaign advisors chose to use as campaign propaganda.

      You can bet none of the candidates even mentioned net neutrality. The supporters avoid it because it's complicated and will get them only a few votes. The opponents because it's complicated and if they actually explained it it would actually drive votes to the supporters.

      But while net neutrality was never an issue to the voters, you can bet it was the issue to some of the biggest donors.

      Elections following the Citizens United decision will absolutely not be about the issues, and will only resemble democracy in form.

  5. Re:Net neutrality is not capitalism by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The actual main idea behind capitalism being a 'good thing' was that there would be a constant influx of competitors - and companies would die out, start over et cetera.

    The idea wasn't a corporocracy.

    Also, 'another provider' won't work if:

    1. Its the only provider in your area
    2. The large companies agree with each other on what they're blocking

    I'm pretty sure the RIAA/MPAA have enough resources to turn the larger ISPs over to their side, then certain sites and technologies magically start disappearing.

  6. Re:Net neutrality is not capitalism by Tsiangkun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somebody should explain that the companies willingly let free market capitalism die. It was damn expensive having to maintain a navy to protect their trade. Once the companies let the government use their military to protect trade, there was no free market. The military, the government, and the companies were all now working together in a NOT free market. Some people want to believe the free market exists, but it does not. It has not for a long time. Belief in such a free market is a sign that no thought has been put into understanding the world. Like all religions, it requires faith, not intelligence to believe.

  7. Re:left-wing Huffington Post by macraig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are we really linking to stories at the left-wing Huffington Post?

    Right... rather than simply treat the article on its factual merits, go after the source of the article. Brilliant! Did you invent that strategy yourself?

    Not: it's called ad hominem. It's also a debate tactic used to implement tribalism/partisanism/racism/sexism/prejudice: self-hypnotic words to delude yourself into believing your opponent is less-than-human; once you've managed that stunt, why bother to listen to any of his arguments, even the otherwise cogent ones? Even better if you can also delude and convince others at the same time, because there's great strength in delusional numbers.

    Congratulations to you for learning another trick to maintain your bias and mislead others.

  8. Re:One step forward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We need politicians to keep our political parties going strong.

    We need politicians to bring home the bacon: giving our hard-spent tax dollars back to us in the form of gigantic projects named after themselves.

    We need politicians to take the lead on critical issues like "family values" and gays in the military.

    We need politicians to look after us and protect us from hurting ourselves.

    We need politicians to do whatever the richest corporations want them to do.

    Where would we be without politicians?

  9. Worst PR EVER by salesgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The basic problem with the net neutrality battle is that it is called "net neutrality". The average American hears this when you say net neutrality:

    net = COMPLICATED COMPUTER THINGY
    neutrality = Switzerland

    So it's no surprise at all that people don't care, and the Republicans don't get it. Want to change the game? Make this all about Online Freedom and make the story how greedy carriers want to take away freedom / violate my rights. It's about explaining how carriers want to LIMIT WHERE YOU CAN GO, CHARGE YOU FOR ACCESS TO THINGS YOU HAVE NOW, AND TAKE AWAY YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO BUSINESS ONLINE.

    People aren't that stupid, but they are not that well educated. If you make your case using language that the average Wal*Mart consumer can understand, you can get anything you want out of Washington because those are the people that change their minds in elections and cause congresspeople to lose their jobs as they did yesterday. Nine out of ten times when you see voters support something that is bad for them, it's because one side used language like "net neutrality" to sell their side of the story.

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