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ITU's Definition Aside, T-Mobile Pushes 4G Label In New Ad Campaign

snydeq writes "T-Mobile has officially joined Sprint in pushing the promise of '4G' mobile services on consumers, despite the fact that, according to the ITU standards body, neither carriers' offerings constitute 4G mobile technology. In Sprint's defense, it has been advertising its WiMax-covered areas as 4G for nearly a year — technically not a lie because until last month 4G didn't mean anything, InfoWorld's Galen Gruman reports. But now that the ITU has provided a standard against which the FCC and FTC can judge truth in advertising, T-Mobile's new 4G ad campaign is a 'bald-faced lie,' Gruman writes." National ad campaigns take more than a month to coordinate, though — if the term was basically free-floating until last month (with quite a few candidate standards over the years), it seems hard to condemn companies too harshly for using a marketing catch-phrase.

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  1. orly? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it seems hard to condemn companies too harshly for using a marketing catch-phrase.

    Really? The whole purpose of the FTC is to insure companies don't use misleading catch-phrases. If a company sells 4G service, and another company falsely claims they do and gains customers, then yes, the first company is injured. They spent more money to actually provide the service that the second company only claimed.

    Not only is it EASY to get harsh, but when companies flatly lie to customers, the price *should* be many times the amount of profit they made using the lie. Brushing it off as "only a marketing catch-phrase" is ignorant at best.

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    1. Re:orly? by brainboyz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reminds me of the distinction between HiSpeed USB 2.0 and USB 2.0 Compatible.

    2. Re:orly? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem then is that no company to date has "4g" service. Hell, most of them have 3G service only by a very loose definition. It seems that, so far no consumer has been mislead into thinking one particular service is better than another; they all stink!

      That's exactly the problem he's talking about... By saying they have 4G service they are taking away customers from 3G providers.

      If I have a choice between 2 phone providers, with everything being equal, each provider has a 50% shot at my money. If one of them falsely claims 4G coverage then the odds are I'll mistakenly choose them.

    3. Re:orly? by satsuke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your speeds are off by about a decimal place. In mobile data terms and technical terms it breaks down like this

      1G = analog / AMPS service or similiar .. 2400bp/s on a good day plus whatever hardware error correction and data compression (MNP10) -- circuit switched technology (your taking a line on the tower
      2G = CDMA / GSM(CDPD) base speed data - circuit switched at 9600bp/s
      2.5G = packet switched CDMA 1X / GSM GPRS or EDGE .. nominally max 144kb/s .. usually 50-70kb/s .. GSM had different EDGE profiles for higher speeds .. but the base was in this range
      3G = CDMA 1XEVDO / GSM HSDPA .. 3.1mb/s on CDMA .. up to 14.4mb/s and higher on GSM (though getting a contiguous spectrum block available for the full speed is problematic when mixed with voice traffic and paging channels
      3.5G = current spec WIMAX and LTE .. nominal 10mb/s down .. biggest difference is it scales to higher data rates based on number of users .. whereas say 3G CDMA might have 3.1mb/s per sector .. wimax / LTE can deliver this per user given enough spectrum
      4G = most recently published goalpost .. something like 100mb/s sustained mobile and higher in fixed / limited mobility scenarios .. WIMAX2 / LTE Advanced

    4. Re:orly? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sprint has been using the term 4G to mean 4th generation. 3G was only loosely defined and the ITU has now decided to arbitrarily specify stricter standards for 4G.

      International Telecommunication Union Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) says 4G != fourth generation

      Sprint can call a brick a plane if they want, but there's a reason we have international standards bodies.
      Remember when all those wireless-n cards were advertised as "draft n"? That's the right way to do it.

      I think the moral of the story here is not to advertise using the name of an unfinished spec.

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  2. "it seems hard to condemn companies too harshly" by Animaether · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it seems hard to condemn companies too harshly for using a marketing catch-phrase.

    Hmm, no.. I'm not finding myself having any trouble doing this whatsoever.

    Everybody knew there would be -a standard- referred to as 4G eventually... hijacking that for "marketing catch phrase" purposes gains them no sympathy other than from other marketeers.

    Think of it this way.. if Microsoft were to start offering "IE9 with HTML 6 support" where "HTML 6" is not clearly defined, would you have any trouble whatsoever condemning them?

  3. ITU Can shove it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as i'd love to have the speeds the ITU declares 4g, I find it extremely rude they put such a high "requirement" to label 4G after 4G has been used as the name for the next level of speeds already.

    Sprints WiMax network IS a different technology that gives higher speeds than 3G, so why wouldn't it be called 4G? its the 4th generation of tech.

    For the ITU to come and say "no, you're not 4G, your 3.5G" is stupid.

    They need to make their specs 6G or so, as for now those requirements are pretty far fetched.

    Ignore the ITU, Sprint and Verizon do have 4G, just someones getting a lil too hopeful in the ITU dept.

    When standards places start getting unrealistic, they lose the value of trying to follow them...

  4. Stupid ITU by pavon · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is stupid. The designators 2G 3G 4G have never been anything but simplistic marketing terms for grouping protocols with similar relative performance relative. LTE and WiMax both deliver significant improvements over previous technologies, so they need some designator to describe this to the general public. ITU drew an arbitrary line that excludes these technologies from being called 4G, while incremental improvements on them (LTE Advanced) do qualify. Why should a major upgrade be given a .5 designator, while minor improvement on that increments the major number?

    These networks aren't any less capable as a result of ITUs announcement - it is the term 4G that is now less useful.

    1. Re:Stupid ITU by noidentity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. The terms just mean the new generation of technology, an informal thing at best. It's like game consoles. Every cycle you have the "next generation" consoles. It's just a way to informally let someone know which cycle the technology comes from, relative to the current one in use and the new one being rolled in. Why don't people get up in arms about actual objective claims, like bandwidth or whatever?