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Search Engine Optimization Poisoning Way Up In '10

alphadogg writes "Cybercrooks continue to abuse the Web, boosting their ability to produce what's called search engine optimization poisoning so that individuals making use of search engines such as Google's increasingly are ending up with choices that are dangerous malware-laden URL links. Some 22.4% of Google searches done since June produced malicious URLs, typically leading to fake antivirus sites or malware-laden downloads as part of the top 100 search results, according to the Websense 2010 Threat Report published Tuesday. That's in comparison to 13.7% of Google searches having that outcome in the latter half of 2009, says Patrik Runald, Websense senior manager of security research."

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  1. Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can find the actual Websense Threat Report in ASP-driven HTML here. I mention ASP because the video doesn't seem to be functioning correctly in my non-IE browser.

    I thought I would find this in the NetworkWorld article. Boy was I mistaken. As I switch between the two pages of the article, I am presented with "Whitepaper" links to reports that then navigate me to a 'page1234' at accelacomm.com where it asks for all my personal information. In the middle of the article (with no indication this has nothing to do with the article) is a link to another NetworkWorld article titled 'Royal pain: British Royal Navy site hacked.' Shouldn't that go in the 'Related Content' section that is also in the article with links to how I can 'bail out my budget'? Oh look, they've hyperlinked phrases in the article that just direct me to another NetworkWorld article and at the end I get directed to their security section. Might they take a chance and link to the source of the information that they are considering an authority on SEO poisoning? So you know, I can judge for myself and further inspect the report? I mean, I'm not asking them to drive across town to get a quote from the mayor ... this is the smallest gesture of investigative reporting one could possibly do.

    Sorry to rant for so long but it amuses me how a news article about SEO poisoning is obviously taking some questionable routes to up their own stats -- maybe even manipulate Google page ranks? Oh but that's just good old wholesome Search Engine Optimization -- it's those pesky cybercrooks that phish for my home address, not the "esteemed" online news sources we should criticize that ask me to enter it into accelacomm.com when I'm trying to read the news (and I'm not accusing accelacomm of being a scam, just annoyed at the principle).

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    1. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Shados · · Score: 4, Informative

      #1: its in asp.net, not asp (big difference)
      #2: asp.net doesn't have a dependency on IE. Its browser agnostic (and thus like any other environment used for web development, it works BETTER if you're not using IE)
      #3: the video is in Flash using a pretty standard Flash player that has nothing to do with asp.net.
      #4: it works just fine in non-IE browsers (I'm using Chrome)

      Just figured I'd clear that up.

    2. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      For the record, works fine in FF3.6 too.

    3. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ever's triggering the video popup (not the decoding) is borked for me. Presents a blank frame. In addition to that is the fact that ASP.NET does a whole lotta this.

    4. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought I would find this in th NetworkWorld article.

      Networkworld sure does seem to get linked to a lot around here lately.

      That aside, the summary states 22.4% of Google Searches produced malware results. Okay so obviously 22% of searches aren't going to be for anti virus software and the like, so can we just call this one a stupidity tax and move on? I recently had to remove a virus from an acquaintance's machine (3ghz celeron w/ 248mb RAM) by the time I was done I wanted to put it back on for the gentleman assumed it must of been the government out to get him to stop him from speaking his mind on the internet.

      0_0

      Can't help but wonder if these people even need a connection to the internet. Now granted that's not to say infections can't happen to everyone, because they can and they do but I think we can all agree the vast majority of infections delivered by shady sites are borne by the vast vapid masses. I mean you don't turn on your car and get on the freeway with nary a clue how it works do you? Why on earth should you get on the information superhighway when you don't even what a processor or memory is? Can the knowledge really get any more fundamental than that, for at some degree shouldn't we be held accountable for our own actions or lack thereof? If ignorance of the law is no excuse I fail to see why we give such a large free pass when it comes to computing. For the consequences can be just as real when you find you just sent your life savings to a scammer in Nigera, or got your dumb ass key logged while going into your PayPal. Or whose to say a virus won't come along that dumps addresses? Oops your 19 year old daughter's college address was in your Outlook now someone has that... Oops she's murdered! ... Granted a stretch but my point is for far to long we've gone after the symptoms and never treated the cause.

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    5. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it actually has over 500 if you use the validator correctly.

    6. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Dalzhim · · Score: 1

      #1 Chrome doesn't represent 100% of non-IE browsers
      #2 If Chrome doesn't represent 100% of non-IE browsers, then you haven't verified that "it works just fine in non-IE browsers"
      #3 The video isn't "using a pretty standard Flash player", you might be doing so, but people on an iPhone might be using a service to convert flash to HTML5 which isn't a pretty standard player.

    7. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by jojoba_oil · · Score: 1

      When the doctype is overridden to one listed as experimental, I would expect the validator to show fewer errors; however, the source of that site clearly labels itself to be using the XHTML 1.0 Transitional doctype. That, as the GP makes reference to, has 522 errors and 7 warnings.

    8. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Dishevel · · Score: 2, Funny

      He is using Lynx.

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    9. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      Can't help but wonder if these people even need a connection to the internet. Now granted that's not to say infections can't happen to everyone, because they can and they do but I think we can all agree the vast majority of infections delivered by shady sites are borne by the vast vapid masses. I mean you don't turn on your car and get on the freeway with nary a clue how it works do you? Why on earth should you get on the information superhighway when you don't even what a processor or memory is?

      You had me until here. I get in to my car with nary an idea on what nearly everything in the engine (processor/memory) is or does. All I know about a vehicle is what I can reach from the driver's seat: ignition, steering wheel, gas and brake pedals, radio, climate control, spedometer, odometer. There's also a tachometer (or something) which strongly correlates with engine noise, and also tells me when my gas engine turns off while I'm stopped (hybrid) - beyond that, I have no care.

      I don't see why a computer user needs to know what a processor or memory is. They need to know how to navigate: turn it on and off (safely), get on the applications they care about, save their progress (e.g., in a word processor) such that a power outage doesn't destroy hours of work, and they need to know "defensive computing", that is, how to recognise dangers to their safety, both personal safety and the safety of the machine they're operating. We take driver's ed and defensive driving courses. Equivalents can be created for computing. But we don't all take mechanic's training, nor should most users need to know how to crack open their case and manipulate the contents.

    10. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently had to remove a virus from an acquaintance's machine (3ghz celeron w/ 248mb RAM) by the time I was done I wanted to put it back on for the gentleman assumed it must of been the government out to get him to stop him from speaking his mind on the internet.

      At least you didn't convince him he was right and extort money from him to protect him from these secret assailants.

    11. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      I mean you don't turn on your car and get on the freeway with nary a clue how it works do you? Why on earth should you get on the information superhighway when you don't even what a processor or memory is?

      I've only got a vague notion of what the carburetter is/does, and I probably couldn't identify it if asked to point it out. I do, however, know about petrol, oil, tire tread, lights and general driving. Does that mean that I shouldn't drive? Yes, knowledge of computers is good and people somehow assume that they don't need it, but processors and memory isn't important knowledge - how to "drive safely" and what the essential maintenance points are is the important bit, plus what a computer sounds/behaves like normally (whether there are odd clunks coming from the engine).

    12. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Tanktalus · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Can't help but wonder if these people even need a connection to the internet. Now granted that's not to say infections can't happen to everyone, because they can and they do but I think we can all agree the vast majority of infections delivered by shady sites are borne by the vast vapid masses. I mean you don't turn on your car and get on the freeway with nary a clue how it works do you? Why on earth should you get on the information superhighway when you don't even what a processor or memory is?

      You had me until here. I get in to my car with nary an idea on what nearly everything in the engine (processor/memory) is or does. All I know about a vehicle is what I can reach from the driver's seat: ignition, steering wheel, gas and brake pedals, radio, climate control, spedometer, odometer. There's also a tachometer (or something) which strongly correlates with engine noise, and also tells me when my gas engine turns off while I'm stopped (hybrid) - beyond that, I have no care.

      I don't see why a computer user needs to know what a processor or memory is. They need to know how to navigate: turn it on and off (safely), get on the applications they care about, save their progress (e.g., in a word processor) such that a power outage doesn't destroy hours of work, and they need to know "defensive computing", that is, how to recognise dangers to their safety, both personal safety and the safety of the machine they're operating. We take driver's ed and defensive driving courses. Equivalents can be created for computing. But we don't all take mechanic's training, nor should most users need to know how to crack open their case and manipulate the contents.

    13. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it works in chrome that suggests the GP's browser is at fault in it self regardless of whether it works in IE. Calling it a non-IE browser is thus misleading and kind of pointless.
      Like saying non-Volvos randomly explode on the road, when you are in fact talking about exactly Fiat Bravo 99 with the 1.6 liter engine.

    14. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      You mean his validator is invalid?! Mind boggles.

    15. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      I mean you don't turn on your car and get on the freeway with nary a clue how it works do you? Why on earth should you get on the information superhighway when you don't even what a processor or memory is? Can the knowledge really get any more fundamental than that, for at some degree shouldn't we be held accountable for our own actions or lack thereof?

      This isn't a good car analogy. The problem is that knowing the basics of how a computer works doesn't translate to an understanding of online threats, social engineering works on very smart people, and there's no reason why someone needs to understand the "basics" of internal cumbustion to operate a car safely so I see no reason why and understanding of processors and memory is needed to grasp online safety.

      For the consequences can be just as real when you find you just sent your life savings to a scammer in Nigera, or got your dumb ass key logged while going into your PayPal.

      Nigerian scams and the like worked before there was an Internet (point being that social engineering works offline), and you can get "keylogged" by someone with a cell phone camera grabbing a picture of your credit card while you hold it in your hand in line at Wal-Mart (point being that idenity theft happens offline too). Understanding online safety is certainly an issue but working to neutralize online threats at the source is a part of the puzzle.

      Granted a stretch but my point is for far to long we've gone after the symptoms and never treated the cause.

      To go back to your car analogy, we put a lot of effort into driver training but that doesn't mean we should stop installing guardrails. By the same token, efforts put into minimizing online threats is a necessary part of making online threats less threatening, even if more education is also needed.

      Virg

    16. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      I've only got a vague notion of what the carburetter is/does

      ...as well as how it's spelled ;)

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    17. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Your car analogy is a tad flawed. If you drive on the freeway without knowing how to drive, you risk injuring or killing innocent people. And you don't have to know how an internal combustion engine works, or how an automatic transmission works, or what a fuel injector is to drive a car, or few would be able to drive at all.

      And I would say that your "Oops she's murdered" is more than just a stretch; people die on the highway every day, but you'd be hard pressed to find more than one or two murders that couldn't have happened without the internet.

    18. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Shados · · Score: 1

      Woosh!!.

      My point is: if something isn't working, its not because of something that is IE-only. News Flash, even Firefox, Chrome and Safari are far from 100% compatible. Standard all you want, even those browsers disagree on some stuff. Secondly, my other point was that the video player isn't part of ASP.NET since it doesn't provide one. So whatever they're using, if it sucks, doesn't suck because of ASP.NET. Another news flash: like most web development environments, ASP.NET lets you render whatever you freagin want. Its as standard compliant or not compliant as you want.

    19. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      Granted, I did have to look it up, but you seem to have only a vague notion of what the English language is. Carburetter is the proper (i.e. English) way to spell it ;)

    20. Re:Link to Actual Report and My Many Gripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      asp.net

      it's whatever you want it to be, except a video player

      standards compliant or not, it can't be at fault

      are you done yet with your asp.net apologenics?

      you fucking loser.

  2. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My search engine optimization goes to '11

    1. Re:Oblig by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Enjoy your lead of 51 days while it lasts.

    2. Re:Oblig by noidentity · · Score: 1

      My search engine optimization goes to '11

      '11? That could mean 0.11, if the ' contracts the 0. Or it could mean 111. Which is it?

  3. Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least in my case, I've found that google's search results have gotten progressively more useless over the last 2-3 years.

    I search for a linux issue I'm having, the only hits I get are ubuntu users in 2004.

    I search for applications for my wife's phone, it's almost 100% adware sites, and 0% useful download links.

    My google search usage is going down steadily. If I want to know about a company/famous person/whatever, it's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.

    Info on movies, actors, etc? imdb.

    Looking for directions? Mapquest. Google maps has gotten me lost on countless occasions. (By doing such things as telling me to get off a highway by crossing the meridian, and exiting on the onramp for the opposite direction.)

    I don't know whether it's just me, google has thinned out the effort going into their searches in favour of their (many) other endeavours, or if they're just not evolving as fast as the assholes who want to try and monetize my searches for completely unrelated shit.

    1. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by olsmeister · · Score: 3, Funny

      By doing such things as telling me to get off a highway by crossing the meridian, and exiting on the onramp for the opposite direction.

      Are you sure that it's just poor directions? Have you done anything to piss off Google lately?

    2. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by symes · · Score: 1

      If I want to know about a company/famous person/whatever, it's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.

      Info on movies, actors, etc? imdb.

      Looking for directions? Mapquest.

      I hadn't really thought about this, but on reflection I find i am doing similar... going down the domain specific route rather than the all encompassing google way. But is this the rise of places like imdb as much as failings on the part of google?

    3. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google and many other search engines have always been relying on algorithms, so at no point does any intelligence come into the results.

      I think there should be a term for continually searching for specific things and getting millions of irrelevant resluts that include only 'part' of the search. It's a real drain on the will to live after an hour of following links and realising that it's not what you were after.

      I think ant search provider should give more indication of the potential threats on all the sites it returns. I know Chrome warns you but Google should just implement this as the source so it works on all browsers. Or maybe MS should show they are more security aware and set this on on Bing?

    4. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      google totally sold out and lost their mojo.

      I get link farm sites from the first page that SHOULD be weeded out. I search for tech things and get mostly 'buy this!' crap sites.

      google chooses to do this. they could do better (they did, once) but now they are no better than any random search engine. worse since their UI is less direct and more junk oriented. we have seen google do a lot of auto-things (animation, auto scrolling of text ads, auto complete, auto-think!) and none of it is really welcomed by the user community.

      its just what we all predicted. google would be a golden child for a few years but then it will fizzle out.

      its ONLY because of habit that many people still use google. but they are not any better than the rest, these days, and their search seems like a paid service for all the wrong 'content suppliers' (I use that term very loosely).

      I wish altavista was back. I miss the old days.

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    5. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I think I've seen the same thing. And either Google is very silent about their search engine updates besides the visuals, or they're doing very little to combat the problem. All I seem to hear is efforts to let you get the results faster (the latest ideas being "Instant Search" and "Instant Previews"), although I can't say I'm having trouble with Google being sluggish. The fake blogs or forum scrapers, on the other hand...

      I understand that it's hard to differentiate carefully crafted fake sites from real ones with algorithms, but come on -- there are well-known domains only using scraped stuff out there... Block the entire domains, Google. It's your private index and you decide who should be there. Or at least hide them, if you don't want to look like a censorship organization. Smaller-sized text with the message: "This link is temporarily hidden due to excessive search engine index manipulation in the time period XXX to YYY. It will be shown again on ZZZ. Click to view."

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    6. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main thing saving Google's ass these days is that 90% of the time they can just throw up a Wikipedia result in the top-5, and usually that's good enough.

    7. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Looking for directions? Mapquest. Google maps has gotten me lost on countless occasions. (By doing such things as telling me to get off a highway by crossing the meridian, and exiting on the onramp for the opposite direction.)

      I guess if the road is going North/South you are going to have to cross a meridian to turn off at some point...

    8. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by tibman · · Score: 1

      I think you are right.. the results have been going down lately. Many times when i search for something the first few links are just sites that say the phrase i searched for in the middle of an advert page.

      It's like the old web again.. in a way. Its difficult to find the things you want.. but when you do find a site that works, you mentally bookmark it and just direct type it next time. When i want to buy something i go straight to amazon and ebay. Screw searching because i end up in a maze of advertisements and review sites and nobody is actually selling anything (and looks legit).

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    9. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      enwp.org/ = en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
      Just btw.

    10. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by melikamp · · Score: 0, Redundant

      IMHO, the trash in the Google search is mostly due to spammers: the people who game the page-rank. I agree with eldavojohn: everyone is doing it these days, and the "news" sites are especially notorious. The line is very blurry. I know a dude who works for gather.com, and they are doing it by inserting "keywords" into their news articles. This is not the same as using a botnet to generate traffic, but the goal is the same.

      May be the future of search is Bayesian filtering? It is doable even right now: have a local program load 1000 or so Google hits and unleash on them your own personal filter. Everyone heard about spam/ham filtering, but the math and the algorithm extend naturally to any finite number of categories, so a user can create categories such as "spam", "science", "shopping", "blog", "porn", train the filter, and enjoy truly personalized search results. Google is obviously loosing to rank gamers, they are way too smart and too quick to adapt. But a personal Bayesian filter could take the raw index with 90% spam and select results relevant to YOU, while slashing the amount of spam by a couple of orders of magnitude.

      My Thunderbird filter works like a charm: in the last year I've had 1 (one) false positive and what feels like less than 5% of false negatives. I think it will work just great on Web pages.

    11. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yup, now that Google has their namebrand recognition they dont give a damn anymore as if they left the office with their servers running on autopilot while they are all out vacationing while the revenue rolls in. typical of most companies = they start out with benevolent ideals and once the ball is rolling and the money starts pouring in then it all goes to heck while the owners go out and play rich guy.

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    12. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The problem is that Google uses an algorythem to rank pages for search results. Originally this was superior to the "submit your site and we'll include it in our search" method because it removed bias. However over time people have reverse engineered that algorythem and so no the rank of your site is based on how well you optimize for that algorythem. The sites that spend the bulk of their effort having good content will this be disadvantaged over those that spend the bulk of their effort optimizing for search rank (typicly the later are ad sites or malware distribution sites).

    13. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by curveclimber · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not just you. I remember when I first started using google and how amazingly appropriate its results were if you knew the right search terms. Now days I'm surprised more that it does so poorly on what seems like straightforward searches.

      Why is this? SEO must be part. But I also know if anything I'm looking for is even slightly related to a product, forget it, you get pages and pages of shopping results. I too, have to result on my memory and knowledge of where to look for certain things more and more.

    14. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by formfeed · · Score: 1

      By doing such things as telling me to get off a highway by crossing the meridian, and exiting on the onramp for the opposite direction.

      Are you sure that it's just poor directions? Have you done anything to piss off Google lately?

      Don't buy a GPS systems from Atmos !

    15. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by melikamp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IMHO, the trash in the Google search is mostly due to spammers: the people who game the page-rank. I agree with eldavojohn: everyone is doing it these days, and the "news" sites are especially notorious. The line is very blurry. I know a dude who works for gather.com, and they are doing it by inserting "keywords" into their news articles. This is not the same as using a botnet to generate traffic, but the goal is the same.

      May be the future of search is Bayesian filtering? It is doable even right now: have a local program load 1000 or so Google hits and unleash on them your own personal filter. Everyone heard about spam/ham filtering, but the math and the algorithm extend naturally to any finite number of categories, so a user can create categories such as "spam", "science", "shopping", "blog", "porn", train the filter, and enjoy truly personalized search results. Google is obviously loosing to rank gamers, they are way too smart and too quick to adapt. But a personal Bayesian filter could take the raw index with 90% spam and select results relevant to YOU, while slashing the amount of spam by a couple of orders of magnitude.

      My Thunderbird filter works like a charm: in the last year I've had 1 (one) false positive and what feels like less than 5% of false negatives. I think it will work just great on Web pages.

      Um, I am resubmitting this, since it's not appearing. Sorry if it's a dupe.

    16. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Dishevel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      we have seen google do a lot of auto-things (animation, auto scrolling of text ads, auto complete, auto-think!) and none of it is really welcomed by the user community.

      None of it is welcomed by you. Most of it can be turned off with a few clicks.

      Google actually dose things fairly well compared to most companies. I can choose simple and clean or bleeding edge cool stuff. Never once have I searched for something Microsoft related and got the first 3 links pointing me to Googles competing products.

      Google is not perfect and I would not trust them with my child but I trust them and like them more than Bing or Yahoo.

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    17. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by jhigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's probably a combination of the two. Google search results are definitely becoming more useless, and I think as more and more people become familiar with the Internet, their behavior patterns will evolve to reflect this. I think it's not just more specialized web sites like imdb cropping up, but user familiarity with the existence of these sites. As the Internet becomes more and more a part of our daily lives, web sites advertise on television, etc., it's only natural that average users are becoming more familiar with specific web site offerings and foregoing the extra step of typing a search into Google. The (potential) down side to this is what happens when a new, better web site crops up that may be infinitely better than the one that we're all familiar with. For example, once the world became accustomed to using Microsoft Office exclusively because that is what they were the most familiar with, it has become increasingly difficult (if not damn near impossible) for any other product to break into that space.

      Is it possible that we will see similar things happening with web sites, where inferior sites are getting all of the hits simply because they are what people became familiar with early on?

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    18. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I search for a linux issue I'm having, the only hits I get are ubuntu users in 2004."

      It's not just you, things have changed for the worse, and it's disturbing.

      Proficient Linux users will know to visit appropriate forums, but noobs will have a worse time.

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    19. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by 16384 · · Score: 1

      Although I do agree that google seems to be on a descending path, the alternatives don't have an index as comprehensive. So, until then, you either accept sub-optimal results or you have to use google.

    20. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The strangest thing is how the number of Google search results per search phrase has decreased. Often when I try to get back to a specific webpage but can't find it in history, I google part of the page title or text. This used to work more often than not, now it doesn't. And Google doesn't even respect the + operator any more. It tries to "spell correct" all words (replace by more popular neighbors) even when I explicitly tell it not to. They got it backwards. Rare words in queries should be boosted because finding them by other means is more difficult. Frequent words in queries should be given less weight. And please, Google, don't be so patronizing. Just look for what I entered. If I misspelled it, that's my problem.

    21. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by delinear · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say Google is about to fizzle out soon, but I totally agree that a lot of people stick with them now because either it's what they've always used (if they're new to the web) or there's nothing yet that reliably does things better. I'm at the point where, if a search engine that reliably directed me to more relevant information and away from ad/malware sites (and also identified when content was just straight copy-pasted between sites, so the first five results aren't the same question and responses being mirrored across different forums), I wouldn't have any qualms about switching. They're becoming complacent, and polishing the existing offering with largely irrelevant bells and whistles is not the same as improving the underlying offering.

    22. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean you don't use the advanced search features in google? I tend to limit my searches to the last year so I don't get outdated responses using older technology....

    23. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about controlled access highways.

      In Ontario, we have a series of highways called the 400-series highway. The busiest being the 401.

      I was driving on the 401 to check out a house my parents were considering buying, and they wanted my input.

      So I typed in the address into google maps, and printed the resulting directions.

      Google's directions had me crossing the meridian, driving the wrong way on the divided highway for ~40m, and then taking the off-ramp in the other direction, instead of the correct way, which is to take the same exit on my side of the highway, and stay right at the fork.

      Naturally, it's fixed by now, but at the time, like all big companies, finding a way to tell somebody at google what it was doing was stupid and potentially unsafe was damned near impossible. I was just met with 30 pages whose obvious sole job was to prevent me from getting a real form to type a message to a real human being.

      Despite crawling through loops to help them improve THEIR service, I got a generic, form letter response, and the issue wasn't fixed until some time later.

    24. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      That would make interstate driving very interesting...

    25. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think ant search provider should [...]

      Oh, that's how they do it? They send out ants over the tubes?

      so at no point does any intelligence come into the results.

      Ants are pretty smart. Not individually, but as a collective they solve the salesman problem better than any mathematician or computer. Makes me wonder why those Google ants are so lame.

    26. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by phorm · · Score: 1

      the only hits I get are ubuntu users in 2004.

      I've found this in many cases. However in many cases it also seems that the issue is more that there are long-term issues without a proper fix that are *still* around years later (or have even got worse, for example pulseaudio issues).

    27. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I search for a linux issue I'm having, the only hits I get are ubuntu users in 2004.

      The issue you are having has either occurred only that year or if you mean by "getting no hits except from year 2004" as "2004 year stuff is on the first and second page, I was lazy to click any further" then you can specify in advanced options to only show results from the past year up to the past 24 hours.

    28. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by grahamm · · Score: 1

      The (potential) down side to this is what happens when a new, better web site crops up that may be infinitely better than the one that we're all familiar with. For example, once the world became accustomed to using Microsoft Office exclusively because that is what they were the most familiar with, it has become increasingly difficult (if not damn near impossible) for any other product to break into that space.

      It is perfectly possible for this to happen. Thinking back a bit, WordPerfect was just as ubiquitous as MS Word is now, but in a very short time almost everyone changed to using MS Word.

    29. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use DuckDuckGo, which is built on top of Yahoo's stuff. It returns far fewer results than Google, and at the end it has a link to try using Google instead. I've clicked on this a few times and as far as I can tell the only difference is that Google pads the results with a few thousand irrelevant pages. I've never clicked on the link and found that Google actually provides a useful response. I think I'd actually prefer a search engine to tell me it couldn't find anything than to give me 100 pages that I start clicking through in the hope that maybe there's a relevant result buried somewhere in the middle.

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    30. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      DuckDuckGo goes a step further and quotes from the relevant Wikipedia entry in the zero-click info at the top of the results page. It also automatically uses the HTTPS version of Wikipedia if you click on it, so both the search and the page you visit are encrypted.

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    31. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      call me old, but I remember when Alta Vista started getting banner ads. Heck, I remember when it was still part of DEC. Google's pagerank worked great... before everyone gamed the system. On top of that, webpages suffered. Ever see a SEO optimized webpage? They repeat terms needlessly hoping Google notices.

    32. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      The problem is in reality, there is no break in the median to drive through. Google's mapping went downhill when they decided that they should be cartographers. The base map data they sourced from (likely the old census TIGER maps) is outdated and filled with errors.

    33. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I miss old Google and AV. What current search engines can match them these days? :(

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    34. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by kevorkian · · Score: 1

      remember this .. its a FREE service to you.

      Having a human read an email is expensive to them ( any cost > zero ) the easier they make it , the more garbage they will have to deal with. Here is a thought .. think about how stupid the avg internet user is .. and then remember that about half of them are even stupider!

      The mapping services of Google exist primarily so that an advisement can add a "get directions" link to help you find the store easier , not to help you get to location.

      ( btw the REAL error is likely that the map provider ( perhaps even your government .. ) did not flag that road / section / ramp as one way and google was just doing what you asked it to do , find you the best way to the location using the information it has )

    35. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      I was hoping that Google was employing exactly that (personalized filter) when they gave me the opportunity to "star" or "trash" a given result. Before they got rid of the "trash" option I spent hours exploring the different results and returning to the original search to star or trash them based on their helpfulness/relevance. Sadly, this did not have any discernible effect on the quality or type of result.

      Opportunity lost, Google...

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    36. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Moreover, top 100? Who goes past page 1? If you don't see it immediately, you're searching wrong.

    37. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by numbski · · Score: 1

      Actually, what I'm finding irritating at the moment is over-zealous use of robots.txt "Disallow" to prevent Google from caching. What winds up happening is that for one reason or another, the content is gone or removed, but still appears in the search results, yet you get a 404 page, and you can't pull the cached copy.

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    38. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      When I was looking for directions to a hotel last time I went on a business trip, Google told me to follow the main highway and turn right. Which was correct, except it involved driving through a wall and then falling thirty feet into the hotel parking lot.

    39. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      I am afraid that Google is not interested in suppressing their sponsors' sites, so that's one huge deficiency right there. On top of that, the kind of analysis I described is expensive if it is to be truly personalized, even just for people who log in. Your personal word frequency table will contain hundreds of thousands, if not millions of entries, and that's just for a single user. And if you do it wholesale (a single table for everyone), the conditional probabilities will probably average out. What am I saying. They WILL average out, because it will be just as easy to game. You own local filter, OTOH, is much harder to game, since it's different from everyone else's and you are the only one who can query it.

    40. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I wonder if a return to no weighting at all, other than an obvious "filter trash" option (which might be achieved by filtering against junk sites that try to be all responses to all queries), might actually be more useful than the current SEO-gamed results.

      It does seem to me that search results went downhill much faster AFTER Google started doing more weighting of results -- IOW the cure was worse than the disease.

      Right now, results from other search engines aren't really any better, you just get a different array of trash, which I suppose reflects their own search weighting algorithms.

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    41. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

      I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus here.
      Google's whole raison d'être is search, and I often can't find anything of value anymore.
      I'm not entirely certain what has happened, but it definitely sees as if something has gone wrong at the heart of Google. Instead of being an unstoppable force, I can now foresee a better search engine that can beat Google at its own game (and not from Microsoft or Yahoo! but rather from someone completely unexpected).

    42. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by lwsimon · · Score: 2, Informative

      As someone who is getting into SEO and Internet Marketing, I can tell you that there was a major change in the last 2-3 weeks that has lots of big names in that industry reeling.

      Google makes major updates to their PageRank formula about quarterly, from what I can see.

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    43. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's one of my top complaints about Google. The link farms and the results which require you to scroll way down to the bottom of the page to find the information. Google's approach worked well in the past when speed was more of an issue, but now that the web has adjusted to Google's stupid algorithm it's getting progressively worse.

      The other annoyance with Google is that it can be a real pain searching for things if you don't know exactly what it is that you're looking for. And the seeming inability of Google to know the difference between freeware and free to download trials.

      I spent some time a while back using Bing and quite honestly, there isn't that much of a difference in terms of quality of results. And for some things, the Bing approach is just better. Such as the way that it handles image searches. (Not necessarily the quality of results but the presentation)

    44. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by noidentity · · Score: 1
      Same here. I have a local search page where you type your query, then click on the appropriate button, e.g. "Wikipedia", "IMDB", etc.

      A while back Google had put up their old 2000-era index, for fun, and you could do a web search using it. I switched to that immediately, since the results were much higher quality, even if 10 years out of date. Unfortunately they disabled that a few weeks after.

    45. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by labnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see lots of complaining but no alternatives being offered up: Anyone.. Ferris... Anyone...

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    46. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Wrong. WordPerfect was very common among computer users of the time, but not among office workers in general. A new word processor could come along and become dominant in the market without any conversions. Nowadays, everybody who's going to use a word processor either is, or will when they grow up. Any move into the word processor market has to come as a result of people converting from Word.

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    47. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by biobogonics · · Score: 1

      google totally sold out and lost their mojo.

      I get link farm sites from the first page that SHOULD be weeded out

      1. First, the idea that you could substitute some sort of "herd" mentality for the evaluation of web sites instead of actual ratings by real subject experts is bunk.

      2. Google does not care. They crapped up net-news and don't care. 99+% of the usenet groups I still read are drug and counterfeit merchandise spam posted through google groups and/or g-mail accounts. You would think with all of the supposed AI and computing power available to them that it would be easy to filter out newsgroup spam. I new read net news using a news reader, but the g-mail spam is so overwhelming that even the news server's filters don't keep it out.

      3. Even when I do read net news through google, the quality of ads on the right side of the page is abysmal.

      4. As a business owner, I have voted with my wallet. I will NEVER do business with Google. I will never buy ad-words. I will never spend a dime on anything that even remotely smells like SEO.

    48. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still use MacWrite you insensitive clod.

    49. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by melikamp · · Score: 1

      May be, may be not. It's just so hard to tell. I am sure that Google can make (is making?) the results worse by moving up the sponsors, but I am guessing that the external manipulation makes them A LOT worse. We may doubt Google's intentions, but not those of the spammers.

    50. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means a freeway, not a highway. If that's still ambiguous, he means specifically an elevated road with on/off ramps which are almost always at the right-hand side (usually cloverleaf interchanges).

      But yeah, highway is misused in the U.S. now - the original meaning being "a well traveled road" and the current official definition being "a road open to public use of motor vehicles." Colloquially in the U.S. (or at least the mid-Atlantic coast) it has come to be synonymous with freeway.

    51. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      > I wish altavista was back. I miss the old days.

      I don't. I couldn't find shit with it 10 years ago. What're you going to que up next? Hotwired? =) I feel you with Google though. SEO boyz are hammering that raised nail. They're being kneecapped.

    52. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Online businesses can clearly see what has happened... search results are polluted by favouritism for sites that support the Adwords network which means forget organic search completely. We now only get rubbish results.

      But its the multitude of users who do not realise it's rubbish because they can see no difference. To them if they type in a domain name and get it on the first page then it works for them. And if they can get a free mail service they are more than happy.

      So how can we educate the public?

    53. Re:Malware/Spyware isn't the only problem... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      My supposed to be humourous point was that a "meridian" is a line of longitude. It makes half of a great circle from the north to the south pole.

      The divider on a divided highway/freeway/roadway is the "median".

  4. Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by Compaqt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The annoying thing is when sites that have legitimate and interesting content are ranked nowhere near the spammers.

    Many legitimate and useful sites are far and few between. You have to bookmark them because it's doubtful you'll find them again with Google (page 20 or something).

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    1. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This sounds like a very very familiar discussion. Specifically, we had this exact same problem about 10-15 years ago when search spammers had learned how to game results on Yahoo and AltaVista with stupid meta tags and repeating the same words over and over to increase their ranking.

      Google figured out a way to get around that problem, which produced a massively better search engine. It sounds like the search spammers are now figuring out how to game the Google results, so in another year or two we'll be right back in the big mess that Internet search used to be.

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    2. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think PageRank is ultimately some of the problem, though I hear they've been de-emphasizing it (but it hasn't fixed my searches). When I search for band lyrics, I want the lovingly crafted fan site that's been accumulating information on that band for the past 10 years. When I search for reviews, I want that site too. I don't want mp3lyrics.com for lyrics or allmusic.com for reviews or whatever. But the problem is that each of the good fan sites is a separate entity (which is one reason they're good): one's at joydiv.org, another one's off some person's university webspace, another one's on free hosting somewhere, yet another one's at brainwashed.com or synthpunk.org or whatever. So they each rank lower than mp3lyrics.com or allmusic.com, which have mediocre info for every band on the planet tucked away under their single pagerank unit.

      Same with non-music stuff. You're never going to find the person with a great page on blueberry pies; instead you'll get a recipe from eHow.

    3. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by dargaud · · Score: 1

      The annoying thing is when sites that have legitimate and interesting content are ranked nowhere near the spammers.

      And there are some strangenesses: I found a site I was looking for with very unique keywords: 210th out of 231 results on Google. A friends with a different browser and location: 3rd ! It should have simply been number one since it's the reference for those specific keywords (the name of the company and its field of expertise, the others were just mentioning them).

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    4. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by delinear · · Score: 1

      Apparently ranking is now meant to take your previous searches into account, which might account for the difference, but I know what you mean, I've searched for very specific OS error messages before and found the first page that actually contained the full unique string was not always the first result returned, and was sometimes not even on the first page of results. Of course I can enclose it in quotes for an exact match, but that relies on the person who typed it up getting it exactly right, and besides, a 20-30 word error should be enough to bring me back relevant results at the top of the first page.

    5. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There are some that are not even spammers, yet useless information, and they are ranked pretty high.

      Last time I googled myself (I have a fairly common name), I found on the first page a result from a page "CreateDebate" titled: is name a douche? - CreateDebate

      The "debate" if you can call it that, started from a high school kid, has no details on what person he's talking about. So people, just come to the forum and say "yes, name is a douche", "no, name is not a douche" or "what name are you talking about?".

      If by repeating the name over an over, the ranking goes up. Then a retarded forum of people repeating a single name, goes up really fast.

    6. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by theskipper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Speaking of ehow (Demand Media), here's a great article about how they're junking up the SERPs. It's not just small time link farms, it's industrial strength pollution backed by hundreds of millions of dollars.

      http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_demandmedia/

      Google is going to need to take a firm stand. And they most likely want to do it desperately now that there's some real competition. But it's a tough nut to crack and they certainly don't want to upset their applecart (i.e. ad revenues).

    7. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by Spazntwich · · Score: 1

      I think you just clarified a lot of similar but muddy thoughts for me.

      I was thinking I just romanticized the past of the internet where I was hitting new and unheard of domain names every day to find awesome in-depth websites on whatever subject I was searching for, but I don't think I'm doing so to excess.

      Much of the internet's information has been centralized on these monolithic info clearinghouses, but it's just so... sterile, and Google is obviously to blame by putting far more emphasis on the generic popular website than the specialized and relatively unknown one.

      The question is how does anyone, even Google, fix this? I have no clue myself.

      Perhaps we need a... oh God I hate myself for using this word... a crowdsourced sort of Google. Make every indexed page taggable and votable. Except that just skyrocketed the value of botnets. Yeah I got nothing.

    8. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Damn... all is explained. Thanks for the link. I'd wondered just why the hell all that crap was on YouTube... Now I'm wondering when Google and Demand Media will have a merger. :(

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    9. Re:Search engine rankings for legitimate sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would think Google would be able to ban IP addresses, remove search results for common searches, and put some human intuition into returning good results.

  5. A serious question here... by pongo000 · · Score: 0

    ...but is it really possible to be exploited by clicking on a link? Can someone show some concrete examples of this? I'm not interested in "possible" exploits, but something in the wild that can infect a box running the latest versions of Firefox, AdBlock and NoScript?

    I just simply find it all too difficult to believe. If there are really browsers running around out there with security holes as big as Peterbilt trucks, shouldn't they be tagged as "enemies of the state"? Or is all this just so much hype?

    1. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone wanted to and targeted you specifically, it pretty much possible. All one needs to do is find a bug in noscript (buffer overflows anyone?) and use it to escalate into an FF bug and they are done. And no, currently I have not seen any worms targeting noscript users, because the user base is pretty low (and there is plenty of low hanging fruits). Just because there are no such mass targeted worms, doesnt mean that you are safe.

      And trust me this is not complicated, and you should definitely take this off your too difficult to believe list.

    2. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      that's like asking if carjacking works on armored cars, when most people drive mopeds...

    3. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just simply find it all too difficult to believe.

      LOL, you've never seen a bug report for Firefox regarding driveby exploits? Gee, a casual search reveals one that was just patched on 28th October
      that affected 3.6.11

      http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3765

      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607222

      If we had to trumpet each and every vulnerability that Firefox ever had (like this site does for IE and Safari) most fanboys here would stop thinking it was so "secure". FF security is an illusion created by uninformed OSS zealots. Chrome FTW.

    4. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have Flash?

    5. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but is it really possible to be exploited by clicking on a link? Can someone show some concrete examples of this?

      This is the perfect time to reply back with a goat.cx link. Be prepared to feel "exploited" by clicking that link!

    6. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, it's not an infection, but if you're running firefox, try:

      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=461339

    7. Re:A serious question here... by astar · · Score: 1

      I have started a little project to see if I can eliminate problems with drive-by binary drops and about anything dependent on binary code. It actually looks straightforward, but only useful for someone who actually is concerned. It looks pretty doable for any of us to put together from a fpga a low end armish thing with a randomized opcode set. At the moment, I am just trying for a standard armish thing, with no randomization. As far as I can tell, this segment is just system administration skills. A little code to randomize the opcodes in the verilog and rerinse. Then a little programming to get the tool chain. Then some sort of magic bootstrapping and spend a couple weeks compiling what you need. If the opcode set is unique, then security through obscurity might be workable. So you might end up with a pretty secure appliance at least. Wait ten years and the fpga performance might come up. Note that the last time I dealt with hardware, transistors were all discrete devices. Thus it would seem if I could do the first segment I referenced, pretty much anyone could if they wanted to. Does not really cost much. A few hundred USD and some time.

      If you could actually bootstrap the tool chain very transparently and deal with physical security, then you might manage to have a trusted computer, at least for a bit. That is a bigger problem of course.

    8. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh yeah if I had to trumpet each and every Chrome vulnerability, most fanbois like you will stop thinking its so secure. Chrome security is an illusion created by OSS zealots too. IE for the win.

      On a more serious note, all software have bugs in them. Its how quickly they get fixed that matters. I consider and chrome and FF to be on par considering the time to fix.

      And to GP, do you have Flash, Acrobat PDF plugin, Realplay, Quicktime plugins or any plugins at all for the matter. If so its pretty simple to pown you.

    9. Re:A serious question here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In theory, yes, but for all practical purposes, no. If you disable scripts and flash by default (as I'm sure almost everyone in the world has learned by 2010 they should be doing - right???), your chance of being exploited are *really* small.

      The people getting jacked are the ones driving Ferraris into the worst parts of town, parking them on the street unlocked with the keys in the ignition, and then wondering why it isn't there when they get back a few hours later. In other words, the idiots the tubes would be better off without to begin with.

    10. Re:A serious question here... by delinear · · Score: 1

      There have been plenty of live exploits in the last few years, but as I'm sure you're fully aware, the vast majority of people are not running FF+AdBlock+NoScript. Nor would they even if they knew what that was, since most people want all the flashy stuff that drives us geeks mad. I know. The story is still relevant, since even if you're in no danger of being infected, you're still suffering from having junk search results returned.

    11. Re:A serious question here... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      13 advisories for Firefox this year, most covering multiple vulnerabilities. Adblock doesn't do much for you because they can put the exploit in the page if they feel like it. NoScript will help you a lot more, but there have been vulnerabilities found in JPEG libraries, for example.

      The problem is you don't know what vulnerability is out that that hasn't been found yet. All of the ones in that list weren't known either, even 12 months ago. There are certainly others that exist but haven't been discovered yet, it's just a matter of if the malicious people want to find them.

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    12. Re:A serious question here... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Yep, MS's Patch Tuesday is IMO often too slow for IE, which is a big part of the problem.

  6. Useless Search Content by ideonexus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm seeing the exact same thing. I find that Google is becoming more and more useless for academic research. I would once type in a subject and get tons of legitimate, informative sites written by people who cared about the subjectmatter (remember ThinkQuest? All those fantastic articles are still out there, they just aren't in Google's search results anymore), which I could use as a springboard into deeper research. Now I get Wikipedia as the first result and fifty pages of forums filled with people who have no idea what their talking about. There's still no algorithm for content quality.

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    1. Re:Useless Search Content by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not sure if this is relevant - but perhaps you should be using google Scholar for your academic research. It's possible that they segregrated what information you're looking for into that section.

      But then again, maybe not - I don't know what kind of research you do (and I've never had a problem with springboarding with a Wikipedia article...)

    2. Re:Useless Search Content by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      "...perhaps you should be using google Scholar for your academic research."

      Good point. And google code for code that may help that programming project. And so on (I don't know what other specific search pages google has, but there must be others.) Google.com is of course the premier page for advertisers, so using it to search is going to return some bad results skewed to whomever has paid google the most money. Fortunately has provided other tools.

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    3. Re:Useless Search Content by drcheap · · Score: 1

      fifty pages of forums filled with people who have no idea what their talking about

      people who have no idea what their talking about

      what their talking

      their

      Really? You're talking about academic research, yet blunder on one of the most basic lessons in grammar and spelling?

      He probably consulted Google for the correct spelling/grammar, and it gave him the incorrect result ;)

    4. Re:Useless Search Content by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not necessarily. Google Scholar will only find peer-reviewed papers (not very competently, and omitting much of the information required to find where it was originally published), but I find reading researchers' blogs often turns up more interesting stuff. It often takes 1-2 years between doing the work and having a journal paper published (and another little while for Google Scholar to notice it), so a blog post from a decent researcher about his or her current work will tell you stuff now that won't appear in Google Scholar results for 2-3 years.

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    5. Re:Useless Search Content by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Might I suggest trying Duck Duck Go as a search engine? I've been using it for a few months now and I have been consistently pleased with the relevance of the results it returns as well as the various shortcuts for specific types of searchs (for instance, if I want to use Google to find something instead, I can type "!google [search term]" and I will be redirected to a google search). It definitely has some work to do on returning more results for obscure searches, but it seems to be doing well for a relatively new search engine.

    6. Re:Useless Search Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear, the fuzzier the search engine that Google uses, the worse the searches. Let the burden of spelling and pluralization be on the user.

    7. Re:Useless Search Content by wendyg · · Score: 1

      There's also apparently no algorithm for date-sorting; a friend and I were talking about this on Twitter this week. It's my view that as search engine use has become mainstream they've been increasingly optimized for consumers, not researchers. There is a real niche for a researchers' search engine.

      wg

  7. Google Can Ban Sites, So... by BoRegardless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you abuse Google by deliberately manipulating to get high page results and they knock you out, then why can't Google permanently knock out the same 22.4% of the search result sites that host malware? That would END most users being able to come into contact with the criminally minded in that form of scam.

    1. Re:Google Can Ban Sites, So... by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Probably because malware organisations have discovered an ancient and dark evil who would further their cause ... for a price.

      They're called: Lawyers.

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    2. Re:Google Can Ban Sites, So... by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      Often those sites are unwitting hosts to malware that are eventually cleaned up, so I'd hope that they don't start permanently blocking.

    3. Re:Google Can Ban Sites, So... by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      They also have co-conspirators: Cheap Domain Sales (previously Domain Tasting, but I think they cut down on that). You can't kill an IP because you may take innocents with it (and a domain would just shift to another IP) and you can't kill a domain because they'll just buy another domain for a few days.

      Just wait until we have to play whack-a-mole with IPv6 spammers - now there's a huge range to try blocking via blacklists!

    4. Re:Google Can Ban Sites, So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why third party netwide security is such a big deal. People go 'eh, what is there to steal, fuck spending time on security', and someone compromises their unpatched server. Now they still host webpages with useful information on it, so perma blacklisting isn't constructive, yet they are also a malware vector. Same thing for compromised end users than end up running DDoS bots.

  8. I have noticed this quite a bit by WiglyWorm · · Score: 1

    Almost always when searching for breaking news, the top results are complete spam and malware.

    1. Re:I have noticed this quite a bit by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      I think that's due to the way Google weights new stuff. I've been promoting my personal blog heavily, and got to the top 5 for a dozen of my target keywords. After a week there, suddenly I'm down to 800-1000 on all of them. WTF?

      Google lets you rank highly for a few days before dropping you to the bottom. Hence, SEO experts with newsy keyword targets will outrank news sites - briefly.

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  9. Google Instant by sottitron · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Google Instant will soon compound this problem. Once you're apt to see a tidbit of a result and quickly click through, that would be quite the prime target for this type of attack.

    1. Re:Google Instant by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if Google Instant will soon compound this problem. Once you're apt to see a tidbit of a result and quickly click through, that would be quite the prime target for this type of attack.

      Google Suggest (the command-completion part of Google Instant) already had a major spam problem. Google Suggest isn't driven by page rankings; it's driven by Google Trends, which was updated every few minutes. So, generating a large number of search requests in a short period could push a request to the top entries on Google Trends. That would make it appear as a suggestion in Google Suggest, driving further traffic to that search. I've seen a small mattress store at the top of Google Trends. This approach to spamming could give a site a huge traffic spike for about 45 minutes or so.

      Google now seems to be updating Trends more slowly, to provide more averaging over time. This makes it harder to pull off that attack.

  10. mod parents ++ by Anne+Honime · · Score: 1

    Sadly, it's very, very true indeed. I made a (legitimate) site not long ago using Google sites. Submitted the url for review in both bing and google. Bing listed me the next day, without any further input. Google didn't even listed my url in its base (not talking about rank here) until I submitted a sitemap through the webmaster tools, fighting a nasty bug they made in the process but didn't cared to correct since at least a year (if you put your auth key in your DNS zone, the automated sitemap created by google themselves returns a failure in their webmaster tools - brilliant).

  11. Post search results by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

    Post contents - Trusted download - [CLICK HERE]

    Post contents - Full download - [CLICK HERE]

    Post contents - Key generator - [CLICK HERE]

    Post contents - torrent link - [CLICK HERE]

    1. Re:Post search results by zwei2stein · · Score: 1

      You know, it is actually awesome way to fight casual piracy.

      After three pages of rebranded "Post contents - HD Download - [CLICK HERE], Post contents - Fast Download - [CLICK HERE]" link nests most people will simply give up before finding site with actual downloads

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    2. Re:Post search results by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      All your Post contents FREE--Click here for free subscription.

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  12. SECUNIA.COM can tell you that type of info. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://secunia.com/advisories/ and go there and look up your favorite webbrowser or Operating System (or even an app like Adobe Acrobat Reader), & see the lists of security advisories (and especially the UNPATCHED ones). They explain exploits in pretty good detail (could be better though, & more technical imo but I don't think they put up TOO EXACT of information because others can use that for even more crap against others I'd imagine is why), and, how they can be used against you. Sometimes though, there are "work-arounds" recommended even for these known & unpatched security advisories though (some are sort of hokey, e.g.-> "do not open untrusted files" being one example).

    One thing you'll probably note though is the sheer amount of exploits that involve javascript exploits over time especially. That's usually the main tool I have seen that is used against users online in say, maliciously scripted webpages or even poisoned ad banners (yes, believe-it-or-not, especially if you haven't heard of that happening before? It happens also, and more than just a few times now for the past 4-5 yrs. in fact).

    As to the addons like NoScript or AdBlock? Well, they're programmed themselves and may even bear issues/known security vulnerabilities themselves, so look into that too. That's the 1 problem with complex systems like computer programs of any appreciable relative size: Possible bugs in the way of exploitable code mistakes, and they do happen as well and might be something to also research on your part if you're concerned on this note also.

    Now, on the note of maliciously scripted websites? This may help http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm because that is why, in large part, those folks make their custom HOSTS file for: To protect users against known bad sites online.

    A good read on much of this is also here, in detail, from Mr. Dancho Danchev (3 yrs. worth of it in fact) as well:

    http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/

    For the past 3++ yrs. now that security researcher's done a great deal of very in-depth reporting on what you're looking for in fact - sites that are KNOWN to try to "hose your computer".

    APK

    P.S.=> Enjoy... I think that covers a good deal of ground here for you, per your request... apk

  13. Additional quality raters? by adachan · · Score: 1

    Rather than pay current employees more per hour or per year, maybe Google should have hired more quality raters to help filter the results.

  14. in my experience, not as bad as Bing by ynohoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just yesterday I wanted to download VLC media player. Top link on Bing: repackaged with junk seach engine and crapware newsletters. Top link on Google: the home site which linked to the sourceforge download. Of course Microsoft could be doing that on purpose for Open Source software...

    1. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by amentajo · · Score: 1

      Just now, I searched, and it isn't.

    2. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by delinear · · Score: 1

      For me, searching for VLC media player, I get www.videolan.org/vlc/ on both Bing and Google (so long as I ignore the crappy sponsored links on both sites).

    3. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by dotwhynot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just yesterday I wanted to download VLC media player. Top link on Bing: repackaged with junk seach engine and crapware newsletters. Top link on Google: the home site which linked to the sourceforge download. Of course Microsoft could be doing that on purpose for Open Source software...

      What country are you in? It's really only US that have Bing yet (rebranding old Live Search in all the other countries to Bing without actually having the product is an amazing decision btw..) and a search for VLC on Bing US gives me a very useful and relevant top result. With direct links to download even for Mac and Ubuntu versions:

      http://imgur.com/RGqtA.jpg

    4. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I indeed experimented with it and the search "vlc" returned the official page as the second result, with the first one being a local download site with an outdated version. "vlc media player" resulted in the official site showing up as some sort of a preferred first result with a highlighted background, second one being a polish download site and the third videolan.org again.

    5. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by ynohoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      from Ireland it gave me http://www.vlc-download.com/, which is the crapware download.

    6. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just now, I searched, and you're lying.

    7. Re:in my experience, not as bad as Bing by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      From England it gives me the link as described by the GP - but also a sponsored link above it. Are you sure you're not confusing the sponsored link (ie advert) with an actual search result?

  15. What are they searching for? by sudnshok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article is not clear what search terms produced 22% malicious URLs. That seems like a high number to me. If you search for "photoshop crack" or "keygen" you're going to get WAY more malware than searching for "fuzzy bunnies".

    While I agree that more spam and malware sites have gotten into Google listings, I don't think the problem is quite as dire as the article makes it seem for the typical Google user.

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    1. Re:What are they searching for? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      google thinks the ONLY valid reason for the web is to let us 'shop for things'. sorry but I do a lot of tech searches (looking for code fragments or schematics or HOWTOs) and more often than not, the first FEW pages are ads to sell me something.

      we need a front-end to google to keep google honest. there have been front-ends, too, but google found out and stopped it (usually).

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    2. Re:What are they searching for? by sjwest · · Score: 1

      Phantom content is still phanton content suppose i pretend to search for 'bing crosby show s99e09' - series 99 episode 9 and i bet i would get five + pages of google telling me I can find said episode on a website which never existed in real life.

      Other examples include experts-exchange who use this technique - so i have to filter results from useless sites with pretend content.

      Our website have pitiful google page ranking, but since seo consultants seem to be surprised its so shit and offer to 'help' the fact that they can find us proves theres more to searching than google.

    3. Re:What are they searching for? by whoop · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's not 22% of search results, but 22% of searches made which contain a malicious URL somewhere in the top 100 search results. Like anyone goes all the way through to 100 results.

      Some 22.4% of Google searches done since June produced malicious URLs, typically leading to fake antivirus sites or malware-laden downloads as part of the top 100 search results

      Fear mongering. That is all.

    4. Re:What are they searching for? by drcheap · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking -- 22.4% is a huge number.

      But then I recalled that the most popular searches have to do with pr0n. Perhaps those sites are the malware havens which are poisoning the seo poisoning statistics?

    5. Re:What are they searching for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree with this. While I don't care for Google. it's still the best thing to use for searches, especially academic/research searches. I'm just not seeing one fifth of my top results being malicious.

  16. Who browses 100 results? by Dalzhim · · Score: 1

    I rarely go past the first page of results (which means 10 results in my case). I don't really care about malware that makes it to the first 20-30 results.

    1. Re:Who browses 100 results? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Who browses 100 results?

      I do.. The first bunch of hits when searching for drivers are pure spam or behind a paywall. I'd rather have everything show up on one page. It comes up just as fast.

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    2. Re:Who browses 100 results? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite often, I browse to 100 or more results because so many of the results are links to other search engines or are repeated content that Google has not realized are duplicates, e.g. Usenet or listserv postings converted into various bulletin board formats. Does anyone know how to flag results as links to other search engines or how to phrase queries to eliminate such results?

  17. i got a virus from youtube the other day by alen · · Score: 2, Funny

    clicked a real ad on youtube for a Mario Bros game because my 3 year old was interested. installed it and then Symanted popped up a warning that it was a trojan

    1. Re:i got a virus from youtube the other day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry to hear you have that Symatec Virus. I hear those are really hard to get off your computer.

  18. Forums n blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There should be a way to search specifically just forums across the net, and/or blogs and not get any other results

  19. That's funny by countertrolling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've seen a couple of Slashdot journal writers who try to manipulate SEOs and page hits by getting to get you to click through their media merchandising blogs if you want to see the story they are journaling about. They should be marked as spam, because that is what they are.

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    1. Re:That's funny by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's a dupe, because the first entry didn't appear...until now

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  20. That's funny by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    've seen a couple of Slashdot journal writers who try to manipulate SEOs and page hits by getting to get you to click through their media merchandising blogs if you want to see the story they are journaling about. They should be marked as spam, because that is what they are.

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  21. Hmm... really? by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really?

    I rarely bother with results beyond the first 20 or so. IF I have to dig deeper, either I munged the search terms, or I'm digging for a specific item I couldn't build a specific search for. Either way, I'm wondering how what percentage of search returns in the first, say, 30, were malware.

    And I wonder about the definition of 'malware'. But let's trust that.

    How about a small effort, along the way, to clean up the fake links? If I search for a term that even tangentially matches a product, I get search results that invariably include Bizrate and other so-called shopping or pricing sites. And sure enough, Bizrate in particular has an actual product listing about 20% of the time for me. The rest of the time, it did the SEO thing to make it look like it had a listing, when all I get is a 'we don't have any right now, but how about these?' or 'come back later'. Argh. Abuse. Perhaps fraud. I hate them so much I ignore them even if they DO have the product.

    Google doesn't care, though. They get paid anyways.

    Feh.

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  22. slash missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should read:
    search engine optimization/poisoning

    SEO is poison. It's a collection of techniques to poison search results by hacking page ranking algorithms to make irrelevant pages appear relevant. Whether those pages consist of ads or other malware is secondary.

  23. Link moderation by hey0you0guy · · Score: 1

    It is too bad that there is no easy way to moderate the links that are returned. Sort of a "Is this relevant to your search" voting system that would, over time, filter out junk results. Unfortunately this probably isn't feasible since bots could just spam the YES button over and over again.

  24. But that just begs the question then... by Pollux · · Score: 1

    I've found that google's search results have gotten progressively more useless over the last 2-3 years.

    So, what's better than Google?

    I mean, back in the late 90's, I encouraged everyone to go to Google at the time, because it was so much better than the competition: Yahoo, Excite, Lycos, AltaVista...they all paled in comparison to the accuracy of Google.

    But now, is there anything better than Google? Or is it just like the airlines, where there's no "best option" because everything is terrible.

  25. JS:DR by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Article requires JavaScript: Didn't read.

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    1. Re:JS:DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Article requires JavaScript: Didn't read.

      Then why are you reading /., which also requires JavaScript? Non-D2 comment browsing has been broken for a month now.

  26. Need to vote or rank results... by seanvaandering · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They really need to create a ranking system for logged in Google users so people can vote down spammy links. Could be based on the frequency of the reports. Anything in first ten results with more than 100 negative votes per hour, automatically get removed and placed into a holding queue for a Google employee to review. If it's discovered to be spam, automatically penalize the URL in all results and remove it. Hosting companies will never want to host spammers, because all their good customers will go running to the hills. Just a thought..

    1. Re:Need to vote or rank results... by newviewmedia.com · · Score: 1

      Don't you think black hat SEO could game such a system even worse than the current results? Also the cost of employees manually reviewing search results is a little cost prohibitive. Who checks the checker?

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    2. Re:Need to vote or rank results... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spammers would just abuse that too

    3. Re:Need to vote or rank results... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once upon a time a web site was vetted before inclusion in the indexes for spidering.

      But a better solution would be to first get rid of Google and then watch web pollution decrease.

  27. Ah, but THAT is the problem by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    There is a VERY simple solution to this problem. Refine your search. On the left you can select from which period you want it. I tend to do my linux searches in the last year if they are errors and Ubuntu releases in the last half year/month.

    That gives you far better results. Also adding the ubuntu version helps a lot.

    But the MAIN problem is that computers still cannot understand human writing, especially chaotic human writing. If every linux article was clearly labelled with a date and a status (fixed for instance) a computer would find it far easier to categorize it.

    The Dewey Decimal Classification did for books what Google is trying to do with the internet. But book publishers "behaved" because everyone knew who they were and librarians are not people to be trifled with.

    The internet is a Libratarians dream, IE a nightmare for every sane person. Anyone can do what he wants. This doesn't just mean "innocent" people labelleing their content completly wrong but people deliberately trying to game the system. All books published with a title beginning with A. All books falling in every category. TRY to imagin a Dewey Decimal system that could cope with deliberate abuse. Impossible.

    A search engine, at least the ones we know now just can't deal with abuse. The old systems relied on meta tags that were treated pretty much the same as "official" category elements. And if you claimed to fall in category X, that is were you were put. Pagerank by Google changed this. It started to check the content and how said content was linked to to determine the category. A hell of a job but it was only a matter of time until this to was going to be abused.

    The problem is that we got a missing element. The dewey system consists of three: The system itself, the librarians who control it and the publishers that supply it. Google is the system, the web owners are the publishers but WE, the librarians, are absent. There is no way to feed into google what publishers are not providing the correct data.

    Google can't afford to do this themselves, the internet is just to big. Open moderation would be wide open to abuse as well. Remain the link sharing sites. Human run and human controlled sites where people share intresting sites. For me, for certain subjects Wikipedia has becomes the ultimate search site and link site.

    Google has to find a way to allow users, trusted users to moderate its search results. If only I could block out e*pert-&xchange (don't want to give them more traffic) my search results would improve a lot. But considering the size of the net, tracking all abuse reports, and abuser reports of abuse reports, would be a staggering amount of work.

    But without it, google could loose out. They became big because the previous search companies couldn't clean up their search results. If google can't either, they will end up the same.

    That google is looking so hard for other sources of revenue shows that they know this all to well.

    YOUR result, your WRONG result is the pagerank at work. It prefers older content, that is presumed to be more reliable over new unchecked content. If google dropped this, then anyone could make a page NOW with a hot bug and fill it with spam. Since pagerank doesn't know that the spam content is not related to the bug/query, it can't remove it. ONLY time (and links) tell Pagerank that content is valid. So pagerank prefers a static web, with old reliable content. Notice how well it indexes wikipedia that is often the first result as well.

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  28. Wiki for info by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason you're going to Wikipedia for actual information is because the site is structured to eliminate anything that isn't factual information. You're just realizing that the web is a bunch of crappy cross-linked blogs and syndicated content behind ads/paywalls. Soon you'll be hitting podcasts for editorial content instead of the ad-laden multi-click regurgitated PR between top 10 lists that make up most sites.

    1. Re:Wiki for info by melikamp · · Score: 1

      You're just realizing that the web is a bunch of crappy cross-linked blogs and syndicated content behind ads/paywalls.

      But it's not. Well, may be it is mostly, but I still believe it's plausible to say that useful (whatever that means) content on the Web dwarfs that on just the Wikipedia. What we have here is a spam problem. It's not that Web is nothing but trash. It's not. But Google and others fall short when it comes to filtering out trash. It really is a search problem, not content or availability. And there may be a way out of it.

    2. Re:Wiki for info by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      I guess that's true, but I would also rather use Wikipedia than an average web site. Every page is formatted and organized the same, so even after I've gotten to my destination it's a lot easier to absorb the information and also to immediately find relevant info on adjacent topics that is presented in the same way.

      I do find Wikipedia a much better starting off point than typical search results, right at the bottom of the article are a bunch of non-crap links to start you off. Maybe Wikipedia is a better search engine because the links at the bottom have to be relevant references to the topic and cannot just be some false search result that leads nowhere...

      But then Wikipedia also isn't an unbiased catalog listing resources, you have to qualify it first which raises the barrier of entry, and that can be a bad thing if you don't have a lot of visibility on the web, so obviously we still need search engines. Hmm.

    3. Re:Wiki for info by melikamp · · Score: 1

      I am actually in the same boat as you. I do find Wikipedia far superior to Google at Web search when it comes to science. I am sure that Jimmy, bless his heart, did not plan for that, especially after so many categorical search engines fell into oblivion (remember Yahoo categories? can't blame you if you cannot). We'll just have to wait and see how the search evolves, and may be one day we will have a robust, open, resistant to gaming search index.

  29. Idea for Google search and Facebook by microbox · · Score: 1
    I published some essays on the web, and am wondering why I cannot search for them through google. Curiously, by website jumps up straight away on bing. Grrr.

    I'm thinking google search should:
    • Display the results in a table -- with a few controls on each line. I generally click on a bunch of results and open them in new tabs. Ideally I want to step back to the search result page and rank the search result: {excellent, okay, poor, junk, nasty}, or something like that. I understand that this cannot be done publically, because there will be farms of ranking computers. But having the search engine learn my personal preferences would be worth the effort. I never want to see mp3lyrics.com and there ilk near the top of my results list.
    • Here's the idea for Zuckerberg: let people share their page-rank preferences with each other. Imagine if a bunch of java programmers at a workplace were marking all of the good internet resources. It's a social networking idea that could cloud-source page ranking without the problems of server farms.

    In the mean time, I could role my own personal service, with a search aggregator bankend. The internet is suffering under the weight of shills and snakes, Grrr.

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  30. Manual ranking won't work. by Animats · · Score: 1

    They really need to create a ranking system for logged in Google users so people can vote down spammy links.

    Won't work. The spammy links come and go too fast. Mean lifetime of a phishing site is a few days. Since most are created automatically, dealing with the problem manually will always be struggling to catch up.

    Take a look at our list of major domains being exploited by active phishing scams. That's from PhishTank data, which is updated manually. The list is ordered by how long the site has been on the list. At the top are the usual suspects, with phishing pages up for as long as a year. Towards the bottom, note that seven sites were added this week, and nineteen came off the list in the last week. That level of churn is about normal.

    Note that this list is only for "major" sites, ones in Open Directory. Those are legit sites who've been abused by phishers. There are tens of thousands of purposed-built phishing sites on junk domains. Those used to churn really fast in the "domain tasting" days, but with that hole plugged, there's been a little improvement. Now the phishing sites buy hosting with stolen credit card numbers and operate the site until the credit card processing system detects fraud and the hosting service shuts the site down.

  31. Just an AC's two cent's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do whitehat SEO work so I have to post AC on this one.

    It's not so much that Google has gotten worse it's just that there are many more variables in play right now including that blogs are unfairly weighted for "freshness".

    PageRank is one part, but I think the point people are missing is that Google is also using their own Analytics as a "fudge factor" to modify the incoming PageRank of new posts. (Google Trends and Adsense keyword suggestions are your friend here. That and an automated content scraper/rewriter)

    If you can get just get on the first page of the search of the day and have Analytics installed to bump you up and up and up... profit!!!

    1. Re:Just an AC's two cent's worth... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      I do whitehat SEO work so I have to post AC on this one.

      I'd post as non-AC if possible even in that case, but I know it is not always possible.

  32. Variable ranking considered harmful by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    Isn't variable ranking sort of the same as changing menus in XP, to which geeks have complained about to no end?

    Basically, the problem is, everyone is seeing a different Google. I sometimes create a link as a Google search instead of a Wikipedia link. But that doesn't really work if everyone has a different ranking.

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  33. fuzzy bunnies by carpefishus · · Score: 1

    This just in: Top ranked search on Google today is "fuzzy bunnies". Google has no idea why.

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  34. I'm sick of this! by BigSes · · Score: 1

    Its been a struggle finding drivers for slightly older equipment as well (I'm talking motherboards from 2006 here). For whatever reason, ASUS doesn't have them available, and when you attempt to Google something, you have no idea what sites to trust. They all appear exactly like spyware-malware breeding zones with your classic "convenient driver update" install programs. I'm not falling for that bullshit. Main problem being is that I'd hate to trust a driver from anywhere other than an item's manufacturer, so I just don't deal with it at all anymore. Really irritates the hell out of me.

  35. At some point... by Schmyz · · Score: 1

    ...someone or something will develop,that is an improvement to Google,or a new Google-ish, search engine...and then the swing will start. Personally I hope The big G gets back on track with creative ideas vs the political side of things they seem to be getting into more and more these days. But Im just a no buddy.

  36. If only... by kmoser · · Score: 1

    If only Google had a means of finding and blocking access to web sites containing malware. A "search engine", if you will.