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UK Terror Chief Blocked From Boarding Aircraft

Jeremiah Cornelius writes "Two days before toner cartridges threatened western civilization, Britain's Home Office minister Baroness Neville-Jones was en route to a Washington summit when she was found to have an over-sized aerosol can in her bag. While being questioned by airport security staff for transporting a container with more than 100ml of liquid, the Baroness seemingly took offense at being lectured on the importance of security procedure: 'Of course I know how important it is,' she said, 'I'm the Security Minister.' The Baroness is also former head of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, and was traveling at the time to discuss the war on terror with US security chiefs. According to a Home Office spokesman, trained in the use of the passive voice, 'Liquids were inadvertently left in a bag. The item was removed and the Minister fully complied with subsequent checks.'"

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  1. Do as I say not as I do by mirix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would the people implementing security theatre want to subject themselves to it?

    They know it's just show. Not to mention the whole being above the law thing.

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    1. Re:Do as I say not as I do by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would the people implementing security theatre want to subject themselves to it?

      They know it's just show. Not to mention the whole being above the law thing.

      It has long since ceased being kabuki theater and has passed into bukkake theater.

      Only for ordinary riff raff. The minister is excempt and shows contempt. If you do the same prepare to spend time in prison.

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    2. Re:Do as I say not as I do by besalope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only for ordinary riff raff. The minister is excempt and shows contempt. If you do the same prepare to spend time in prison.

      Exactly. The Inner-Party members complain about the hindrance. The Party members are trained to put up with it or they will be unpersoned. And no one cares about the proles because they cannot afford to fly anyways.

    3. Re:Do as I say not as I do by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Her story is not even consistent from minute to minute. I'm not sure I buy it.

      Her story is actually remarkably consistent and clear by general radio interview standards.

      This story is it. This is the acid test. A young woman is selected for the scanner; she feels uncomfortable the naked pictures of her being taken, she further feels uncomfortable with being groped in a body search and also refuses that. For this simple transgression, she is arrested, refused her flight and escorted out of the airport. The ability to refuse to be subjected to such indignities is a basic freedom once enjoyed in every western society. This is basic stuff.

      If this incident passes by without proper discussion, whatever pretense America claims to having a civilized and free society is utterly bankrupt. If this woman ends up facing actual charges, it means the US no longer has claim to the rule of law--only of order.

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  2. Missed Opportunity by Lunoria · · Score: 2, Insightful

    She missed a glorious opportunity to praise the airport security for her unplanned security check. It is a good thing that British Security Officers check all people, even the Security Minister.

  3. Hm... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The Baroness is also former head of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, and was traveling at the time to discuss the war on terror with US security chiefs."

    They must be talking about the 'terror' that they use to manipulate the average sheep into believing that these blatant invasions of privacy and freedom are a good idea.

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  4. Blocked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, Slashdot is getting worse than the mainstream press.

    How was she "blocked" as the title says?

  5. Re:Not good by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "This really isn't good. The monster that is airport security is too big to control. Not even high profile politicians can seem to escape it."

    On the contrary, this is exactly what is needed. Unless the foolishness affects those in charge of it they will never stop their ill conceived practices.

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  6. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While being questioned by airport security staff for transporting a container with more than 100ml of liquid, the Baroness seemingly took offense at being lectured on the importance of security procedure: 'Of course I know how important it is,' she said, 'I'm the Security Minister.'

    Good. I'm happy she was offended. I say we run through the entire procedure word-for-word, action-for-action for EVERY public official who flies commercially. And I hope every single one of them is every bit as offended as the rest of us are for being treated at best like petulant children who need to be taught a lesson, and at worst like criminals who have no rights. The more public officials get pissed off over being treated the same way the average citizen is treated, the more likely there is to be an outcry against this kind of crap.

    As the Security Minister, she should have known damn well that she needed to double check her bags for compliance BEFORE leaving home. So if she gets pissy over having to endure the same lecture as some other poor sap who simply forgot it was in there, tough shit. She's not above the law. And since she's one of the ones who seem to think it's so important, she needs to the standard just as much as everyone else, if not moreso.

  7. Re:Sweet delicious irony by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why stop there? Surely such a large aerosol can warrants the full body cavity search with glove . What makes all of this security theater even more stupid is that they refuse to profile. How many white 71 year old female bombers have there been?. They probably would have waved someone wearing a burka right through while they were wasting time with the minister who is quite obviously of old British decent (she even has a peerage!) just so that they aren't accused of profiling. Ridiculous!

  8. Wasn't the liquid bomb a hoax anyway? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do we still have the liquid restrictions when they are not a credible threat? Meanwhile flammable liquids and gasses in cigarette lighters are ignored as they should be.
    It's really become an expensive joke instead of anything resembling security.

    1. Re:Wasn't the liquid bomb a hoax anyway? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A simple profiling banning everybody that had connections with extremist organisations would have stopped both all the 9/11 terrorists and all subsequent attempts using shoe-bombs, underwear bombs, liquid bombs and so on. All the people involved were on watch-lists, as were many others by the way. Sure, you'll ban a lot of legitimate travelers as well, but people chose their friends and if they chose to associate with extremists it might (or will) have consequences, like the inability to travel by air.

      While I agree with you about your other points, this is simply the old good Nazi/Soviet/What-not "guilt by association" shtick. Its even worse than the perversity already being committed. So a brother of a guy you buy kabobs from at his mobile cart in front of your office joined the Jihad somewhere in Pakistan and you being a computer nerd happened to help the stand owner get his wi-fi working on his netbook while waiting for your kabobs. Neither of you had a clue about the new Holy Warrior being minted in some cave but its just too bad anyway. Goodbye air travel, hello body cavity searches. Etc and so on.

      The real goals of "guilt by association" are of course things like Aryan Purity (because anyone not "pure" enough is quickly "associated" out of relevance or even existence) and also a very convenient to rulers abject fear of the security apparatus by the populace. Because it takes only "an association" (completely arbitrarily defined) to fuck you up for life and so enforcement becomes entirely the matter of whim of your "betters" (i.e. the members of the Securocracy).

  9. Re:Sweet delicious irony by the_humeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that other groups will claim racism due to said profiling. And then after that, them terrorists will be recruiting white 71 year olds.

  10. Terror Chief Indeed by skywire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The story title aptly characterizes her as Terror Chief. Her role, like that of her American counterpart, is to instill terror in the populace. She is one of the most valuable, if unofficial, players on the Al Qaeda team, thanks to the interest of our ruling elites in promoting (for different reasons) terrorism.

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  11. Re:Hmm, Pity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't believe the alternative is to have an entire body grope. How is that procedure even remotely decent enough to be considered for deployment in an airport? That's probably worse than prison treatment, and the people in airports are presumed innocent (yeah right).

  12. Re:Sweet delicious irony by Vectormatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    with the ETA you have a point, but the whole northern ireland conflict does have deep religious roots.

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  13. Re:Wrong Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, Anne Thwacks, you can't confirm that WE are more terrified. You can confirm that YOU are more terrified.

    I'm not terrified of either. This is just how the world has always worked.

    Clearly you really hate government because you've been slapped with a couple of £35 parking tickets. I agree that the outsourced traffic enforcement is pretty scummy, but the speed limit fines are totally justified. Those speed limits are the rules. If you don't like the rules don't play the game (or do something positive to change the rules).

  14. Re:Security Hassle for others by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't wait for a terrorist to hijack a charter flight. The first step to undoing this insane airport security crap is to inconvenience the wealthy and powerful. Either that or it will help expose the stupidity of the system to the media.

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  15. Re:Sweet delicious irony by mea37 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, the Islamic faith is far from unique in its desire to displace conflicting cultural patterns. You might be familiar with another such religion - Christianity.

    Second, there is a difference between cultural conflict and war. You need to learn to separate the two, and understand that just because the woman in a burka might want the other women around her to wear burkas does not mean that she's a terrorist. Having airport screeners harass members of one culture is not an appropriate weapon for use in a cultural conflict.

  16. Re:Sweet delicious irony by mea37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Destruction of one culture concurrent with the rise of another" is not what airport security is intended to defend against. People being killed is what airport security is intended to defend against. You need to get your fears of cultural assimilation out of the picture, as they have nothing to do with the topic of airport screenings.

    If you don't want to draw a distinction between killing everyone who doesn't conform to your culture on one hand, vs. spreading your culture through various social and political means on the other, that's your problem; reforming bigoted radicals isn't my line of work.

    Oh, and profiling is not and will not be effective. A brief look at recent history will demonstrate why:

    When we put more scrutiny on shoes, did the total frequency of attempted attacks go down? No, the attackers just didn't bother trying another shoe bomb.

    When we put more scrutiny on liquids, did the total frequency of attempted attacks go down? No, the attackers just didn't bother trying liquids.

    So if you put more scrutiny on people who match your biggoted view of what a terrorist looks like, is the frequency of attempted attacks going to go down? No, the attackers will send bomb-carriers who don't fit your profile. You think they can't recruit such people, and they laugh.