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Pluto Might Be Bigger Than Eris

astroengine writes "Look out, the battle of the dwarf planets is about to re-ignite! During last weekend's rare occultation of a star by Eris, astronomers managed to gain one of the most accurate measurements of Eris' physical size. When three Chilean telescopes watched the star blink out of sight, astronomers were shocked to find that Eris is actually a lot smaller than originally thought. So small that it might be smaller than Pluto. On speaking with Discovery News, Eris' discoverer Mike Brown said, 'While everyone is more interested in the "mine is bigger than yours" aspect, the real science is the shockingly large density of Eris.' The mass of Eris is well known, so this means the object is more dense than Pluto. Does this mean the two mini-worlds have different compositions? Did they evolve differently? In light of this finding, is the underlying argument for Pluto being demoted from the planetary club on wobbly ground?"

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  1. Hey you guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Mine is bigger than yours! Ha!

  2. still not a planet per the IAU by heptapod · · Score: 5, Informative

    Size does not matter. Clearing its path matters. Per the IAU Pluto has not cleared its orbital path and can not be considered a planet by the current definition.

    1. Re:still not a planet per the IAU by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Size does not matter. Clearing its path matters. Per the IAU Pluto has not cleared its orbital path and can not be considered a planet by the current definition.

      Of course, the problem with this is - neither has Neptune.

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    2. Re:still not a planet per the IAU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or Earth, for that matter.

    3. Re:still not a planet per the IAU by blair1q · · Score: 2, Informative

      And as long as the other planets are still there, Jupiter is not a planet.

    4. Re:still not a planet per the IAU by geekoid · · Score: 1, Informative

      actually, that was the reason they wanted a clear definition of 'Planet'. Pluto not being a planet is the results of those discussion, not the cause.

      There would be nothing wrong if the definition included Pluto and all those other similar objects.

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    5. Re:still not a planet per the IAU by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative

      A body with discriminant >= 1 is considered a planet.

      Not by the IAU. As has been repeatedly mentioned before, the definition of "cleared the neighborhood" has not been defined by the IAU.

    6. Re:still not a planet per the IAU by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's in a f****ng 2:3 orbital resonance with it...

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  3. Re:Pluto controversy by sznupi · · Score: 5, Informative

    At least we can be certain it will pass - I don't see any people lamenting that Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta have lost their planetary status.

    Status which they had, for half a century after their discovery. Similar to Pluto.

    (for that matter, the same applies to the Sun - it was also classified as a planet at some point)

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  4. Dwarf Planets are Planets Too by laurele · · Score: 2, Informative

    The battle over the status of dwarf planets has never subsided. Pluto and Eris are both planets and Kuiper Belt Objects. One does not preclude the other. They are planets because they are large enough to be rounded by their own gravity. They are Kuiper Belt Objects because they are located in the Kuiper Belt. Ceres too is a small planet because it is large enough for its gravity to pull it into a spherical shape. The IAU misappropriated the term "dwarf planet," which was first coined by Dr. Alan Stern, Principal Investigator of NASA's New Horizons mission to Pluto, to indicate a third class of planets which are large enough to be rounded by their own gravity but not large enough to gravitationally dominate their orbits. He never intended for "dwarf planets" to be classed as not planets at all. The IAU did not "have" to do anything other than allow Eris's discoverer to name it while holding off on any additional classification until more information is discovered about remote planets in this solar system and all planets in other solar systems. Significantly, there are quite a few exoplanet systems in which multiple planets orbit the host star in various different planes. Some have orbits far more eccentric than Pluto's, yet they are giant planets the size of Jupiter or larger. According to the IAU definition, none of these objects are planets! Saying there are more differences between Pluto and the eight closer planets to the Sun depends on what aspects one considers. Earth actually has far more in common with Pluto than with Jupiter. Both have surfaces on which we can place rovers and landers. Both have a large moon formed by giant impact; both are geologically differentiated into core, mantle, and crust, and both have nitrogen in their atmospheres. Other than orbiting the Sun, what do Earth and Jupiter have in common? It is premature to pronounce declarations that these faraway objects are definitively not like the other planets or that one is larger than the other. We just do not have enough data at this point to do more than make educated estimates. What we really need to do is send robotic missions like New Horizons to Eris as well as Haumea and Makemake. Yes, that will take time and money, but it is a far better investment than the black holes the endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have become. Also, memorization is not important. It is much more important to teach the characteristics of each category of planet than to ask kids to memorize a bunch of names. We don't ask them to memorize the names of rivers or mountains on Earth, so why do so with planets, and why allow a need for convenient memorization to determine how we classify them?