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80% of Daily YouTube Videos Now In WebM

An anonymous reader writes "OSNews has an update on the WebM project from a presentation given by Google's John Luther and Matt Frost at the Streaming Media West conference. OSNews writes, 'Earlier this year, Google finally did what many of us hoped it would do: release the VP8 codec as open source. It became part of the WebM project, which combines VP8 video with Vorbis audio in a Matroshka container. The product manager for the WebM project, John Luther, gave an update on the status of the project (PDF) — and it's doing great.'"

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  1. Re:WebM versus H.264 by TheSunborn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    flash with H.264 has not been working great. It is hell to work with, both as a user and as a developer, and it don't work on mobile phones.

  2. Re:WebM versus H.264 by naz404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    H.264's patent licensing fees make it a dealbreaker for law-abiding indies, open source advocates and small hardware makers who don't want to pay.

    WebM is free.

    It's also a good potential "unifying format" for web video codec-wise the same way Flash has been player-wise because we're still in the same codec hell as far as HTML5 video is concerned due to Mozilla foundation's refusal to use H.264.

    H.264 licensing fees look reasonable though if products or services are sold at profit. Not sure how it goes though for free software or products that make marginal profits.

  3. Re:WebM versus H.264 by naz404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes it does for mobile devices that support Flash Player 10.1 like them Android 2.2 ones and the Blackberry Tab.

  4. Re:"Available in WebM" by wygit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and most of what you got two years ago was Flash, until Steve started his war on Flash.

    Somebody's just trying to get the 'standard' fixed on a codec that you can write players for without paying through the nose for.

  5. Re:WebM versus H.264 by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For variable definitions of "works". Flash is not a great performer on low power hardware, especially on the battery.

  6. Re:"Available in WebM" by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does your browser support WebM?

  7. I'm mostly interested in quality by Athrac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have they managed to improve the quality of the VP8 codec? Last time I saw a comparison, VP8 was way behind H.264.

    And don't even give me that crap about "it's free, it doesn't have to be as good" or "it's only a web codec so who cares". If there's a number of big companies supporting the project and they plan on making WebM some kind of industry standard, anything less than state of the art is unacceptable. We'll be using this for years to come, so doing it right is in everyone's best interest.

  8. Re:"Available in WebM" by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adobe started the war with Apple by writing shitty code for Flash on the Mac.

    Secondly, there's no point in wrapping H.264 video inside a Flash player when the hardware can play H.264 by itself.

    Putting H.264 video inside Flash is as stupid as putting a JPEG inside a Microsoft Word document.

  9. Re:"Available in WebM" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Adobe started the war with Apple by writing shitty code for Flash on the Mac.

    As opposed to shitty code on Windows. Flash is pretty processor intensive on anything.

    Secondly, there's no point in wrapping H.264 video inside a Flash player when the hardware can play H.264 by itself.

    DRM. Flash is great for DRM. Don't forget that little 'feature'.

    Putting H.264 video inside Flash is as stupid as putting a JPEG inside a Microsoft Word document.

    Hasn't stopped anybody I work with yet...

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  10. Re:"Available in WebM" by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Safari supports H.264 and yet it's free.

    But it isn't FREE!

    And Mozilla isn't just about making a browser, its about making the web better.

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