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National Opt-Out Day Against Virtual Strip Searches

An anonymous reader writes in about a protest called for the busiest airline travel day of the year. "An activist opposed to the new invasive body scanners in use at airports around the country just designated Wednesday, Nov. 24 as a National Opt-Out Day. He's encouraging airline passengers to decline the TSA's technological strip searches en masse on that day as a protest against the scanners, as well as the new 'enhanced pat-downs' inflicted on refuseniks. 'The goal of National Opt-Out Day is to send a message to our lawmakers that we demand change,' reads the call to action at OptOutDay.com, set up by Brian Sodegren. 'No naked body scanners, no government-approved groping. We have a right to privacy, and buying a plane ticket should not mean that we're guilty until proven innocent.' The US Airline Pilots Association and other pilot groups have urged their members to avoid the scanners and have also condemned the new pat-down policy as humiliating to pilots. They've advised pilots who don't feel comfortable undergoing pat-downs in front of passengers to request they be conducted in a private room. Any pilots who don't feel comfortable after undergoing a pat-down have been encouraged to 'call in sick and remove themselves from the trip.'"

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  1. Re:The privacy/security scale tips again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please provide a list of all terrorists caught by TSA to date. Thanks.

  2. Re:The privacy/security scale tips again. by kobotronic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keeping what safe? A gaggle of meekly surrendering sheep, or a nation of free people?

  3. A non-partisan no-brainer by jhigh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have friends on both sides of the political spectrum, far to the left and far to the right. Everyone can (and should) agree that this is a gross violation of privacy and should not be tolerated. The only people that I have heard even come close to defending this procedure are the faux conservatives that put "security" (read: invading the privacy of citizens to expand the power of the state) over liberty.

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    1. Re:A non-partisan no-brainer by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe I'm just shamelessly immodest, but I support these scanners if they can be shown to speed up the process of checking in. People need to get over being seen naked - do they avoid the doctor's office as well?

      You are shamelessly immodest. For a lot of people, being naked is an emotional thing, and while they can suck it up when it needs to happen with a doctor, they should not be forced to disrobe for some random TSA employee who really has no job qualifications at all.

      We live in a world where airplanes attract way more than their fair share of terrorism - we need to accept that fact

      Really? When last I checked, terrorists were also attacking federal buildings, abortion clinics, and meat packing plants, right here in the United States. Worldwide, terrorists seem to be attacking markets, schools, government buildings, and so forth. Airplanes are a bit rare in terms of terrorist attacks, probably because of the large amount of security and the difficulty in pulling off a successful attack.

      We can't pretend that people won't try to bomb airplanes, even if there are much easier ways to kill people

      You know what would be a really easy target? That giant line right near the security checkpoint at the airport. A terrorist looking to kill a lot of people would probably choose that target over an airplane, we practically handed it over to them. Attacking security checkpoints is not exactly unheard of; it happens in the middle east fairly regularly.

      Terrorists don't go after low-hanging fruit... they go after the spectacular.

      Completely false, take a look at the reports of attacks in Israel, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Afghanistan, and any of the other of dozens of countries that have problems with terrorists. Take a look at the terrorist activities here in the United States some time, and see how much low hanging fruit is attacked.

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    2. Re:A non-partisan no-brainer by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's only a "gross violation" if you are forced to do it. There is an opt-out.

      Yeah, and in some cases opting out means being ejected from the airport without being allowed to board your flight, and even threats of $10,000 civilian fines. Here are just a few recent reported incidents:

      TSA encounter at SAN

      Woman Says She Was Cuffed And Booted From Airport For Questioning Body Scanners

      Pregnant Traveler: TSA Screeners Bullied Me Into Full-Body Scan

      Even pilots are being ejected from airports for refusing to submit to the scanners:

      Pilot who refused body scan at Memphis International blasts TSA security

      Sorry, but if even a pilot can't opt out of going through the scanners then either something is severely broken in the system or the whole opt-out argument is complete bunk.

    3. Re:A non-partisan no-brainer by jhigh · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was managing the campaign of a United States Senate candidate that actually read the health care law and was a rabid opponent of it, holding town hall meetings all over the state educating voters about how bad the bill was. Why, what were you doing, complaining about it on Slashdot?

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    4. Re:A non-partisan no-brainer by RobNich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...the TSA is a government agency, but you are electing to travel by air on a private carrier.

      This has nothing to do with liberty, as any true Libertarian would tell you.

      As a true Libertarian, I can tell you that you're wrong.

      Neither I, nor the airline, hired these goons. If I'm flying a on a private carrier, through locally-owned airports (usually owned by the county or city, NEVER owned by the Federal government), the airline should be free to hire their own security force and institute their own procedures. They are not.

      It's entirely about liberty. And the TSA is destroying those private airlines' business by making it unpleasant to fly.

      Doesn't the Federal government own the majority of Amtrak (only passenger train company left in the US)? Interesting that they're making it hell for the airlines to exist. (The conflict of interest reminds me of the Federal government owning a large stake in General Motors and then causing a huge PR problem for Toyota, their largest competition, almost immediately. And it's not about foreign or domestic: both are manufactured in the US.)

      How long until a terrorist targets a train? For that matter, a terrorist wouldn't need to get past security, all they'd have to do is target the airport itself, including the enormous line of people waiting to get through security. This entire fiasco is a waste of money, and it's destroying both our citizens' expectation of privacy and the airline industry at the same time.

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  4. Re:The privacy/security scale tips again. by windcask · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As soon as you provide a list of terrorists discouraged from boarding planes in the first place because of elevated security policies.

  5. Meet "The Resistance" by BadEvilYoda · · Score: 5, Funny

    This article by Jeffrey Goldberg is both sad, hilarious, and informative. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/10/for-the-first-time-the-tsa-meets-resistance/65390/ "We have to search up your thighs and between your legs until we meet resistance," he explained. "Resistance?" I asked. "Your testicles," he explained. "That's funny," I said, "because 'The Resistance' is the actual name I've given to my testicles."

  6. Re:The privacy/security scale tips again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think its the lack of a terrorist attack as much as the utter uselessness of this technology relative to the risk of attack. I think people are tired of being treated like criminals just because they want to take their family on vacation. I think people of tired of having their children treated like criminals and then having to explain to them why it's okay for the government to touch them inappropriately. Furthermore, if we were serious about security we wouldn't be so lax about it everywhere else. In October 2001 you couldn't cross a bridge or tunnel into NYC by truck without having the contents of the truck searched by police. I can't remember the last time I saw one truck stopped traversing a river crossing. I guess the threat of dirty bombs just magically went away, right? Terrorists only care about airplanes I suppose. I ride the commuter rail and subway every day. Do you know how many times I've seen even one cop on a rail platform in the 4 years I've been commuting? ZERO. There are times in Penn Station that the subway platform is lined with cops. Do you know what they do? They poke their head into the subway car, look both ways, and then back away and it proceeds to the next stop. That's security? This country is a fucking joke when it comes to security yet for some reason the airport is treated like the holy grail. If we don't give up our rights and dignity a great calamity will befall us. Give me a fucking break. I'll take my chances getting on a plane with just a metal detector. If it's my time to go, then it's my time to go.

  7. Won't work by Totenglocke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trying to annoy the TSA for a day will do absolutely nothing. If you want to end these policies, refuse to fly until they're gone. If airlines see their bank accounts turn red with no hope of them being profitable unless the TSA is removed, you better believe they'll start doing everything imaginable to get rid of the TSA.

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    1. Re:Won't work by dcollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Trying to annoy the TSA for a day will do absolutely nothing. If you want to end these policies, refuse to fly until they're gone."

      Totally disagree. Organized public action is necessary to get results.

      The point isn't to annoy the TSA so much. The point is to get the other passengers thinking about and discussing the issue. (Website's 1st line: "OptOutDay.com is an educational outreach campaign, designed to get people to better understand what they are now consenting to when they purchase a plane ticket.") Private, invisible, personal non-purchases will not serve to publicize the issue among the electorate.

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  8. Conservative issue too. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hello Teabaggers and my fellow Government conservatives! These scanners are just one big pile of stinking pork AND it's a violation of our beloved Constitution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution>The Fourth Amendment:

    The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    This is a prime example of where "if you do nothing wrong; then you have nothing to worry about" is shown to be bullshit.

    These airport scanners and pat downs dishonor our troops and everyone who has ever died fighting for our country!

    We are supposed to be the home of the free and the brave, let's act like it! The Europeans don't do this. They don't even allow the scanners! Are they braver and more free than we are?! It sure looks like it!

    I think everyone on both sides can agree, this is just too much!

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    1. Re:Conservative issue too. by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At this stage, most democracies around the world are more free than the US.

      This cognitive dissonance of declaring yourselves the "land of the free, home of the brave" is quite astonishing given that:

      How the hell are you people not making a bigger noise about these three egregious violations of your liberty?

    2. Re:Conservative issue too. by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Europeans don't do this. They don't even allow the scanners!

      Actually the Europeans do allow scanners, and claim that 95% of passengers approve of them:

      Manchester Airport body scanners in all three terminals

      Besides, if an international airline flight originates abroad and lands in the US, then the TSA forces the originating airport to jump through all sorts of security theater hoops. Back in 2004 I flew to New Zealand & Australia. My flight back was from Brisbane to San Diego. At the Brisbane airport the flight departed from the very last gate in one of the concourses. I got there a couple hours early due to the timing of my connecting flight, so I went to the gate, sat down, and started reading a book. About 2 hours before the flight a group of about 5 security agents showed up and had everybody leave the departure area - moving to the next-to-last gate in the concourse. Once our departure area was vacant they roped it off, put on rubber gloves, and started searching the entire area. They searched under the seats in the departure lounge, inside the trash bins, around the gate agents desk, etc. Once they had swept the gate area all but one went on board the aircraft and I assume did a fulls sweep of it as well. After that was done they allowed passengers back into the waiting area, but they screened our passports as we returned. I asked one of the screeners what this was all about, and they told me that it was solely because the destination of the flight was inside the USA and therefore USA regulations required the additional screening.

      Anybody with even a tiny bit of intelligence could see how useless all this security theater was. If I was a terrorist and wanted to hide a bomb in the airport I'd simply hide it in the waiting area of the next gate and detonate it when the security sweep is going on since all the passengers would now be in that waiting area. Or if I was going to smuggle weapons or anything else on board the plane then I'd have them hidden elsewhere in the concourse for me to pick them up. Unless the screeners search the ENTIRE concourse then a sweep of just one departure lounge is a complete waste. But it was a requirement forced on them by the USA.

  9. HOW TO END TSA NONSENSE AND BE A GOOD AMERICAN! by Greymoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When traveling this holiday season, opt out of any porn scanners. Opt out LOUDLY. Say “I OPT OUT” while you smile at the nearest TSA agent. Be polite and move on to step two, the Pat Down. Getting a hand pat down. Teach your children to shout LOUDLY, “STOP TOUCHING ME in a SEXUAL MANNER!”. Adults shout LOUDLY, “Stop TOUCHING ME in a SEXUAL MANNER!”. Smile and be polite as you do this. Children are allowed and encouraged to cry. Video the whole escapade with sound and as clearly as possible. Post to youtube.com Behold the power of the Internet. Game on Janet!

    1. Re:HOW TO END TSA NONSENSE AND BE A GOOD AMERICAN! by grumling · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Put your children in T-shirts that say "The Federal Government is afraid of me" or "The government thinks I'm a terrorist."

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  10. Re:The privacy/security scale tips again. by h00manist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm willing to bet there are no terrorists whatsoever, this is all just mass hysteria, induced by opportunistic politics, grabbing of attention and votes, selling tons of security equipment, services, jobs, contracts, news, etc. And much of the world is just laughing or terrified of the dangers of the spiraling growth of such mass insanity, based on mass fear, encouraging state violence, the erosion of rights, and reactionary, aggressive politcs on all levels and numerous countries. I left the US, and although I miss many things, the news often reminds me I am relieved to be far from this utter madness.

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  11. Yep, there are four things to do by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Stop flying. I realize this may be hard, but in most cases it is possible. If it is truly impossible, like your work requires it, ok fine but then you just kinda have to roll with what happens. However for just about anyone else you can stop flying. Doesn't mean you can't vacation or visit family, just means you will have to drive. It'll work, really it will. When I was a kid, my parents almost always drove us out to the grandparents place because of cost. I didn't enjoy it, but it was fine.

    2) Let the airlines know you have stopped flying, and why. You may have noticed the government thinks the airline industry is rather important. They have bailed them out in the past. This could be because they consider it of strategic importance, could be because the airlines have good lobbyists, etc. Whatever the reason or combination of reasons, they listen and that's what matters. So if you make it clear to them that you are refusing to fly because of the TSA, they'll take notice. One person won't do anything alone, but if more than a few do it, they'll care. Make sure to include things like your frequent flier number and dates you traveled last year so they know you do use their service, and can see you aren't.

    3) Write your senators and representative and let them know you find this unacceptable, and that this is an issue that will decide your vote. Write a well reasoned letter explaining why this is not ok, and ask what they intend to do about it. You will very likely get a reply (from a staffer of course but it is still their position). Again, what one person says doesn't matter a whole lot but a bunch of people will make them take notice since politicians have to care about being reelected first and foremost and if their constituency is pissed, they have to deal with it. Goes double if they have pressure from the airlines as well.

    4) Actually vote on it. If your representatives say "We think the TSA is fine we aren't doing anything," vote for their challenger. Perhaps when they are running even make a campaign contribution, doesn't have to be large $20 should suffice, along with a letter expressing your support for them so long as they will work to fix/get rid of the TSA.

    You cannot expect change over night. However if people who are pissed off start doing this, change will come, one way or another. The TSA gets away with its stupidity due to apathy more or less. People just go along with their shit so it is an issue congress doesn't have to care about. If people tell congress it is a problem, then it will become a problem for congress.

  12. Re:The privacy/security scale tips again. by naz404 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Congratulations, America.

    Osama Bin Laden has won.

    Read the ridiculous treatment of this upstanding citizen who stood up to the TSA. He wrote a very interesting account of the abuse the TSA is doing.

    An excerpt: 'I looked him straight in the eye and said, "if you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested."'

  13. The pilot thing shows how stupid it really is by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see why there is a security check for pilots at all. I mean we want to carefully check their identity, we want to make sure that they are who they say they are of course. However after their ID has been established, they should be allowed to go on about their business with no more check. Why? Because such a check is totally worthless. Pilots have hands on the controls of the aircraft, they could crash it and kill all aboard if they wanted. Further, many of them have guns that they carry. Since 9/11 they have been allowed to get certified and have a gun in the cockpit. Many opt to because you get paid a bit extra if you do.

    You have to trust the pilots, that is just how it goes. As such once you've identified them as the pilots who should be on the flight, other security checks are worthless.

    That pilots are subject to the same arduous security checks as passengers just proves that it is security theater, and nothing that is really useful. They aren't concerned with actual security, just a theater that justifies their jobs, and that they like being the tough guys who get to be in charge.

  14. But how would that matter? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a terrorist successfully impersonates a pilot, they don't need to have anything on their person. They have hands on the flight controls and thus can crash the plane. Your life is, in a very real way, in the hands of the pilots on a plane. If they steer the plane to crash, it'll crash the automated systems can't override them. As such it doesn't matter if they also have a knife or something like that because they have control of the plane anyhow.

    So the security check for pilots isn't the same as regular people. For them it is an identity check, you need to make sure they are who they claim they are. That makes sense, and is done as far as I know, probably by the airlines themselves. However once identity is established, further checks are stupid.

    It would be like the Secret Service checking the Marine guards for weapons. Of COURSE they have weapons, that's the point. What you check isn't if they have a gun, you check to make sure they are who they are supposed to be.

    So check the pilot's identity in any way useful, do whatever is needed to make sure they are the person they claim to be. However don't be stupid about the rest. They are the pilot, you have to trust them. If they cannot be trusted, I don't want their hands on the yoke no matter how sure you are they don't have nail clippers or shampoo on their person.