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AMD Joins Intel's MeeGo OS Effort
angry tapir writes "In an effort to expand software compatibility for its upcoming Fusion chips, AMD has joined rival Intel's efforts to develop the open-source MeeGo OS. AMD 'will provide engineering expertise intended to help establish the technical foundations for next-generation mobile platforms and embedded devices,' the company said in a blog post on its website."
I love me some AMD, but this is just confirmation that mobile is where the money is at, and Intel and AMD are both out of the running compared to ARM-class chips (power usage), and are struggling to keep relevant.
Specifically the "iPad cannibalization" meme is probably scaring the pants off the x86 chipmakers, who hope to stave off (or take relevant share) of the nascent tablet invasion.
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The only expertise AMD is offer to the OS is to be a comic relief by Intel's continued mockery. After all, the Intel-AMD 2010 settlement does not ban Intel from crippling AMD in Intel Compiler, it only requires Intel to honestly gloat how it screws AMD.[1]
[1] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20012610-38.html
Now they can call it, wait for it........ WeeGO!
Time to build a huge bonfire and call the ghostbusters, because gozer is coming again.
Actually Meego is ARM ready so I don't think this is a case of x86 doing catch up, More like joining forces in order to make a viable competition. JMHO
> Intel and AMD are both out of the running compared to ARM-class chips (power usage), and are struggling to keep relevant
Are you sure about that?
http://fusion.amd.com/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20101010112734_AMD_Fusion_is_Going_to_Be_Unlike_Everything_We_Have_Seen_Before.html#
According to AMD, their upcoming Fusion family APUs are actually the reason why AMD has joined Meego.
http://blogs.amd.com/press/2010/11/15/amd-joins-meego-linux-open-source-linux-project-for-next-generation-mobile-embedded-platforms/
Apparently the lowest-power end of the AMD Fusion APU is a combined CPU + GPU (on the one die) with a TPD of 1 watt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Fusion
Sorry, too much marketing speak.
Maybe AMD is getting involved because one, it can. It's pretty much the only real open source project for mobile that is being worked on. They don't really have to work spend a lot of cash on contractual obligations to get involved. And two, because err...well, related to number one. It works on netbooks too. It's not tied to mobile chips. They're definitely targeting mobile, but the stuff will work on just about anything. Netbooks, embedded, cell phones, etc. There's nothing stopping them from including x86. That might be what brought AMD to the table.
I love me some AMD, but this is just confirmation that mobile is where the money is at,
Of course that's where the money is at, they've pretty much saturated the developed world at the desktop level, any further growth will be slow and steady, not rapid and profitable.
I suppose they could go for the undeveloped world, but wait, won't mobile computers be desirable there too?
Seems like it.
If power was the be all and end all then explain all the Nvidia Tegra 2 powered tablets coming out? Not to mention there's still the HTPC and STB market like GoogleTV to fill up with a chip like the Fuzion. Also in the mobile space there's companies like Qualcomm with their Snapgragon processor and the integration of all the diverse cellular standards in one chip.
Yea, I know. I think The Register covered it a lot.
> That might be what brought AMD to the table.
The Meego project is hosted by the Linux Foundation.
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/5887
AMD is a gold member of the linux Foundation, and it has a seat on the board of the Linux Foundation.
AMD has released programming specifications for its GPUs so that open source drivers could be written.
www.x.org/docs/AMD/
Open source driver for Linux have indeed been written for Linux for AMD/ATI GPUs. The have existed now for a couple of years.
AMD are about to enter the low-power embedded and mobile space in a big way with their Fusion family of APUs ... which are chips with a GPU and a CPU together on the one die. Perfect for the low power mobile space.
All things considered, Meego and the mobile space is a very good fit with the future directions of AMD/ATI and Fusion APUs.
This is what brought AMD to the table.
They have to because we're going mobile with or without them. This much has been clear for years. They're trying to come up to speed, and Fusion looks like a credible effort but it's not going to be under anyone's tree this year - and iPads and iPhones and Android phones and tablets on ARM will be. Oak Trail from Intel looks promising but we'll need actual power and performance figures to know for sure.
Windows? It's not coming with us. It will wither slowly in the first world. It has a long tail. Familiarity is important. But the next billion users? Almost all of them will come online having never used it, or a machine that can use it - and they'll do fine.
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I doubt AMD or Intel feel much of a sting from the 4-5 million iPad units sold this year, but strategically, this is an area where both AMD and Intel have to start worrying about. There are a ton of low-end consumer spec devices growing rapidly in a highly volatile market of mobile phones and personal computing devices. This is an area where X86 systems have fared poorly. Intel and AMD need to find some magic to get themselves through the door before the market is so tight upon ARM arch that there's no hope for penetration.
How did they get here:
1. Intel blew their early adopter chances here when they dropped StrongArm/XScale years back. Maybe the licensing and profits were bad then, but it makes it a lot harder now to claw back into the sector
2. Intel bought into Atom big time, which combined with Windows put the chill on Linux/ARM based netbooks before it got enough traction to become 'a threat' to the status quo, though I doubt Intel makes nearly as much as it does when compared to a standard Notebook computer, residuals are better than nothing, though its yet to be seen just how low end (power and affordability) that Intel can scale down the chip line.
3. Both AMD and Intel are not seeing gigantic sales growth in PC CPU's or GPU's, so they need to look at other areas to continue to grow their businesses
4. With supporting Meego, at least AMD will gain compatibility for free instead of say investing in OHSA requiring the native pieces to be ported from ARM7 to X86
5. Nokia has been supporting Maemo as an also run Windows mobile type smart phone OS for a long time, and having iPhone, Android, WebOS, and WP7 absolutely blow their offerings out of the water means that something had to change with them. I'm not sure why they just can't pull something compelling together, but its hurting the company until they work on getting something. I personally think that bringing in Qt was a bad decision which has at least in a small part hindered efforts to get product to market.
Why this probably doesn't matter to consumers in the long run:
1. We have three large companies (AMD, Intel, Nokia) that are all considered dinosaurs of their industries who have very little impact on the software development or OS space to make me think that they can pull off a win in both areas of the scale needed for this product to do well
2. They have a large hurdle in getting X86 capable of competing on mobile computer-type devices at the same power efficiency that ARM chips seem to get for a lot less effort. They could license ARM which gets them part of the way, but then they get bit with higher royalties
3. In 2 years when the 'tablet computing' fad has largely blown off, Intel and AMD will realize that its just not that important to keep pushing down their marginal revenues until its just not worth the investment to keep with it. Nokia will either keep with Meego (and hopefully for them) make something substantial out of it for their phone platforms or just fumble along as they have with efforts like Symbian and further reduce their mind share and eventually their revenues
Bye!
MeeGo is a linux distribution optimised for low power mobile devices.
No one would be surprised if the title read "AMD Joins Mobile Linux OS efforts" which is what is going on. It is an open source project, and the only real contender for mobile at the moment.
Of course AMD want to play in the mobile space and to do this they need an OS. Their alternative is to roll their own or form another equivalent partnership like MeeGo that aims to achieve the exact same thing.
This is the only sensible move they could make.
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Anything which brings more openness to the mobile GPU space is a good thing (right now everyone, Intel included, is using closed GPUs from the likes of NVIDIA and PowerVR)
3. In 2 years when the 'tablet computing' fad has largely blown off, Intel and AMD will realize that its just not that important to keep pushing down their marginal revenues until its just not worth the investment to keep with it.
I just don't agree that 'tablet computing' is a fad. Bill Gates was definitely correct that this form factor held lots of promise but Microsoft just could not untether themselves from the Windows gravy-train and thus constantly missed the mark with their tablet OS (not to mention pricing put it well out of the general consumer market). Intel got lucky in an emergency conspiracy with Microsoft to kill the netbook market but the tablet market is out of their control (with upcoming wave: Google/Android, HP/Palm, and RIM/BlackberryOS will put a permanent dent in PC sales). I bet both Intel and AMD are pretty disappointed in Microsoft's lack of real competitive OS here and have no "in" with the tablet players of today.
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Intel bought into Atom big time, which combined with Windows put the chill on Linux/ARM based netbooks before it got enough traction to become 'a threat' to the status quo, though I doubt Intel makes nearly as much as it does when compared to a standard Notebook computer, residuals are better than nothing, though its yet to be seen just how low end (power and affordability) that Intel can scale down the chip line.
As I understand it, margins on Atoms are pretty good, and an Atom-based netbook usually uses Intel chipset hardware so I suspect they're making a decent profit on the overall system.
I'm sure they'd prefer to be selling i7 laptops, but I doubt they're too upset about selling millions of netbooks.
I don't know. I think it's more bandwagon jumping than "joining forces."
I think this is a case of AMD knowing what side it's bread is buttered on. If they can drum up more business through direct sales because linux now works as well or better than a competitor(like say, intel, or ARM)'s product, and the cost is a few dozen engineers on a crazy fun short term amount of time spent kernel hacking, I'd say it's worth it.
From what it sounds like, MeeGo might be a less than stellar MID or phone OS compared to say, Android, but, MeeGo's probably my first choice if I had to design a DVR set top box, or a kiosk that would be shipped to thousands and thousands of locations.
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Nokia has been supporting Maemo as an also run Windows mobile type smart phone OS for a long time, and having iPhone, Android, WebOS, and WP7 absolutely blow their offerings out of the water means that something had to change with them. I'm not sure why they just can't pull something compelling together, but its hurting the company until they work on getting something. I personally think that bringing in Qt was a bad decision which has at least in a small part hindered efforts to get product to market.
I agree with everything else but this. Have you used an N900? Maemo is the most capable of the mobile OS's and it's a solid progression from the previous versions. The interface is slick - four desktops with useful widgets, combined IM/SMS/SIP "conversations", nice view of multiple running apps and more. The reasons it's niche is because Nokia has not aimed Maemo at the general public, but instead has targeted a small geek market. In fact the N900 is marketed as a mobile computer, not a phone. I'll bet their next Maemo or Meego offering will be a smart phone.
Qt has long surpassed GTK and since Nokia owns the company they'd be nuts not to use it. From what I can tell they've done a fine job of transitioning developers.
Qt has long surpassed GTK
Um, I think the words you're looking for is "GTK has never caught up to Qt". Qt was first, GTK was a crappy response to it by a panicked FSF.
There's nothing particularly for or against either in terms of being a capable OS for those purposes. MeeGo mostly defines a framework and APIs, whether it works well in those roles is heavily dependent on the device vendor stepping up to the task of providing a good UI.
I thought GTK was simply an outgrowth of GIMP?
Are you referring to the reference to falcon, which was cancelled and replaced with swift (5 Watt), which was then cancelled and replaced with bobcat (9 Watt)?
I look forward to it (9 Watt including a gpu that's good enough (today's low mid range, in 6 months)), but it is not the super mobile chip they were hoping for.
It will find a place under my TV if the lnux support for h.264 is there (allegedly it will be)
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*puts on anti-Nokia troll hat*
I don't know about hats, but it sure sounds like you're trolling!
What's stopping Google from using code in the MeeGo base?
MeeGo uses a (somewhat) stock kernel, I believe. Android puts in all kinds of special sauce not in mainline like wake-locks.
Drivers written for Android aren't necessarily going to just work in MeeGo, unless you add all that additional stuff (cruft?) to the kernel, etc...
Like most popular distros, MeeGo uses the standard GNU userland; Android uses their own, non-GPL userland.
we'll probably see a lot of cross contamination between Android and MeeGo kernel code.
Sure, anything that's from upstream.
(I suspect that since Android's source is completely open, there would be no...
Android, like MeeGo is largely open. But there are certain things that are not released under a FOSS license (e.g. some drivers, particularly power-related and graphics-related drivers).
On Android, I believe that all of Google's core applications are completely closed-source. What's more, it's non-trivial to set up the phone to sync with non-Google servers.
Nokia would steal Google's UI code and Dalvik
I don't think that Android's UI is particularly better or worse than MeeGo's.
And Dalvik? That's like asking the MeeGo folks to go stick their hand in a beehive filled with thousands of tiny little Larry Ellisons with stingers. Surely, you must be joking!
Google would steal their best threading, i/o, and whatever other code is probably superior in MeeGo that isn't probably going to wind up in the base kernel trunk
Part of the whole point with MeeGo is to try to get as much stuff pushed up into upstream projects as is possible. If there's some good threading or i/o improvements to be made to the kernel, it seems reasonable that the MeeGo kernel devs will work hard to get it into mainline. From my perspective, Android has an "after the fact" attitude towards kernel development, whereas MeeGo has more of a "let's cooperate with upstream" attitude.
I don't know if ARM is working directly on the Linux kernel/Android or not
Sure. One of the projects they sponsor is Linaro. Linaro is a projects tasked with making it easier to deploy Linux-based systems on top of ARM: http://www.linaro.org/
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I thought GTK was simply an outgrowth of GIMP?
What we know today as GTK (actually GTK+) has little resemblance to what was originally written for GIMP, and never would have become anything remotely like what it is except the FSF decided they just _had_ to do something about Qt once KDE became popular. It's a "growth" of the GIMP toolkit in much the same way as a brain tumor is a "growth" of your own cells.
You really need to get your hands on one of the tablet flops coming out with Android to understand just how bad android can be. Even established makers like Toshiba have a 80%+ return rate. It just goes to show that you need proper UE and proper testing and proper development to create something even if you start with a "ready" OS.
In any case, MeeGo is geared not just towards the phone and Tablet market. All those STBs, media SoCs in TVs using bespoke builds are ripe for the picking and make a much easier target. It is also a market where Intel has some clout as their media processor + Atom combination delivers same or better performance and price/performance than the incumbent (predominantly MIPS) offerings from Pace and the like.
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The one piece I've noticed a lot of geeks miss about OSes is that UI is a really, *REALLY* important piece, particularly when you're targeting Apple, in the mobile sphere. It's not about just good, it's also about consistent.
If Nokia wants me to build Qt framework applications, they need to get UIs consistent and in order, particularly if they want me to be able to develop from anything from a netbook, to a MID to an STB.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
From what I understand about Qt's place as an application framework, it's really lacking in scope as also a UI framework.
I think that Android tablets DO fail based on UE and UI concerns, but, I think unlike MeeGo's, the APIs need to be just simply fixed, not built from the non-existant ground up.
(Although this is advantageous if I'm building an environment where a custom UI, building general purpose applications would be a hassle at best, and nightmare at worst.
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This.
Meego defines the OS, but there's nothing saying an implementation of it has to be ugly. Nokia, please for the love of silicon,
-get rid of those "laughing amigos". They might look cute to (some) geeks, but to no one else.
-get some artists to create some nice icons, you know antialiased, glossy, shiny stuff. Not the pathetic 2D ugly colored ones you have now.
-either depreciate the name of the OS, or you should have picked a better name (Amigo woudn't have been bad)
http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots
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nokia hired peter skillman - designer of palm pre - as UX designer of meego (or meego based nokia products).
Maybe I'm missing something, but by going with Meego, which features C++ APIs, devs have to recompile for every different processor line.
How does this help the desire of Meego partners to have a single large Meego app store?
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Android's a good idea because it's a mobile phone _platform_ based on a Linux kernel.
Meego is a bad idea because it's basically "let's run Linux on a phone!". You're going to get all kinds of shitty looking apps using different conventions. Qt gives you just too many ways to develop your app. That's why all the successful phone implementations are moving towards a platform where you can't just willy nilly throw shit up on the screen - you have layout constraints and don't just develop the app the way you would on a 800x480 screen on a desktop - it's a different world.
That said - I'd be down for one, but I'm a nerd. Most people are just going to see the complete lack of polish (which Meego will always have) compared to iPhone and even Android, whose polish is improving steadily.
When is Nokia getting its own icon? They are quite a big (understatement of the year) player in the daily lives of us Mobile devs.
Please note that the "amigos" are the reference UI graphics -- i.e., placeholders. The least a device vendor should be bothered to do is to provide their own visual style definitions and gfx to customize the platform before shipping products to customers...
It seems as if ARM will be doing to Intel and AMD what they themselves did to the traditional high end RISC architectures...
General mass market devices will end up going ARM, because ARM chips now offer enough performance for most peoples day to day computing needs while offering low power consumption (and the things that go along with it such as low noise, low heat output, long battery life and low running costs)... Intel and AMD will be pushed upmarket into highend workstations, highend servers and other areas where performance matters more than cost or power usage.
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Apparently the lowest-power end of the AMD Fusion APU is a combined CPU + GPU (on the one die) with a TPD of 1 watt.
TDP isn't a great metric by itself, you need to consider the amount of computation that is actually being done in exchange for that peak thermal energy, and, more importantly, what the power consumption for real world usage patterns is. Intel's Atom similarly promised a revolution, with a minimum TDP of 0.65W, and whilst it has been successful in the netbook market, it hasn't challenged ARM in the lower arenas of cell phones etc.
I wonder how much those returns have to do with either build quality or the lack of android market (fuck you google!). Or perhaps some parent getting talked into buying it by some buttery sales person making the claim that it is like the ipad, only cheaper. Then the return comes when the spawn of said parent throws a hissy fit...
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You don't need antialiasing at these high pixel densities. Modern Cellphones are not crappy 72dpi desktop machines.
This.
Meego defines the OS, but there's nothing saying an implementation of it has to be ugly. Nokia, please for the love of silicon,
-get rid of those "laughing amigos". They might look cute to (some) geeks, but to no one else.
-get some artists to create some nice icohttp://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869804&cid=34239488#ns, you know antialiased, glossy, shiny stuff. Not the pathetic 2D ugly colored ones you have now.
-either depreciate the name of the OS, or you should have picked a better name (Amigo woudn't have been bad)
http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots
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I will agree, the cartoon things look stupid. But I'm smart enough not to care. You can make any theme you want once it is finished.
Why should they take even a second away from development work to please the fashionistas and marketing slobs?
Let me get this straight: couple of biggest hardware manufacturers are putting their effort to bring full-blown GPL-licensed Linux distro on mobile devices, and you guys don't seem to care? I would imagine geeks all over the world would be jerking off on their monitors upon hearing this news...
Am I missing something?
It's interesting that while preaching "consistency" and "good UI", your examples are about gloss and marketing.
I am quite capable of not getting it on my monitors, thank you very much!
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Yeah, Qt is great. I'm surprised nobody has tried building a decent desktop environment with it.
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From what it sounds like, MeeGo might be a less than stellar MID or phone OS compared to say, Android,
If MeeGo can match or beat its predecessor, it will be better than Android.
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Not only are they reference graphics, they're reference graphics being used as a desktop background. They could have used a plain blue screen or the infamous old goatshit brown Ubuntu background just as easily in their mockups.
Those screenshots look very similar to Maemo's Hildon desktop - I hope they don't change to a "scrolling" task manager though, kinetic scrolling's novelty was dead to me after about 5 minutes, luckily kinetic scrolling menus also support "type to filter" or they would drive me insane.
Kinetic scrolling is a dumb piece of eye candy, it needs to die now, let's go back to scroll bars, kthxbye.
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Android was designed as a smartphone OS - It is very specifically not designed to work on large screens, and is very specifically designed to work well on small ones ...
So it not having a nice friendly interface on a tablet is not surprising at all ...
The advantage Apple has is that iOS is a scaled down full desktop OS designed for a mini-tablet that is also a phone, not an OS re-designed for a phone that has been scaled up to use on a tablet ...
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...some graphics drivers for Linux from AMD. Last 4 years has been a nightmare if your laptop was born with an ATI card.
Linux is a server OS that has been migrated to desktops, cell phones, set-top boxes, and tons of other devices. Frankly I don't think there's anything wrong with Android. The primary issue is that most manufacturers can't put together a decent hardware/UI package. I had an opportunity to play with a soon-to-be released Android tablet device and I was taken aback at how atrocious the feedback was on the touchscreen. I thought the iPad was horrible with being responsive to touch/slides but wow. Is that Google/Android's fault? No, it's the touchscreen manufacturer's fault.
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The primary issue is that most manufacturers can't put together a decent hardware/UI package.
Exactly. Windows has made most of the established ones forget how to do it. None of the "stablished" PC players remembers how to do this any more. At the same time the phone players do not know how to do a bigger screen and a more PC like experience with some productivity apps that re not toys and get actual use. There are some examples here - Samsung, Archos and Sony come to mind, but that is about it. The rest of the industry has relied on someone else doing the UI for so long that they do not know how to do it. When you look at what Toshiba and HP have tried to ship it is frankly not even funny.
So not surprisingly it is being returned and Apple continues to laugh all the way to the bank.
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There are some examples - meant to say "exemptions", not examples. Should use preview next time... Sigh...
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Is MeeGo increasing the robustness of mobile devices by offering variety? Or is it splitting the developer and consumer activity in mobile between MeeGo and Android, and so slowing down the pace and survival strength of mobile development?
Both are happening. Which is stronger than the other?
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I love me some AMD, but this is just confirmation that mobile is where the money is at, and Intel and AMD are both out of the running compared to ARM-class chips (power usage), and are struggling to keep relevant.
Specifically the "iPad cannibalization" meme is probably scaring the pants off the x86 chipmakers, who hope to stave off (or take relevant share) of the nascent tablet invasion.
Bingo. Specifically, AMD and Intel are taking a competitive stance against Apple and Google. And all are doing their damdest to promote Linux! Who woulda thunkit.
And there is another big theme here: anti-Java, pro native. Java on cell phones is just, in a word, idiocy. It introduces startup lag which people don't want, sucks more battery to do the same job, and has legal problems. This new situation should help Google get a clue and offer a proper native environment for Android development, as opposed to that weird malformed JNI silliness. With JNI you can in theory write native apps but they use Java as a launcher which introduces nasty startup latency, and its far harder to debug JNI apps than native. Plus the JNI interface is just sickening to work with.
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Linux is a server OS that has been migrated to desktops, cell phones, set-top boxes, and tons of other devices. Frankly I don't think there's anything wrong with Android. The primary issue is that most manufacturers can't put together a decent hardware/UI package. I had an opportunity to play with a soon-to-be released Android tablet device and I was taken aback at how atrocious the feedback was on the touchscreen. I thought the iPad was horrible with being responsive to touch/slides but wow. Is that Google/Android's fault? No, it's the touchscreen manufacturer's fault.
No so. Linux is a terminal emulator that has migrated not just to desktops and servers, but practically every other kind of machine that can think, with the possible exception of pen clocks.
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Maybe AMD is getting involved because one, it can. It's pretty much the only real open source project for mobile that is being worked on.
Wow, mod insightful! Indeed, because of open source AMD can invite itself to the party. It's amazing how open source can get the bitterest enemies to cooperate. This also happens in the film business where the competing studios all contribute to key production tools running linux. And incidentally, also run Linux on their IT servers and artists desktops (PHBs still run window$).
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No so. Linux is a terminal emulator that has migrated not just to desktops and servers, but practically every other kind of machine that can think, with the possible exception of pen clocks.
Good point. I guess that's one market space NetBSD still owns. That and toasters.
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You've never had to scroll through a poorly thought out webform drop down list with 300 elements have you?
Kinetic scrolling at that point made absolutely perfect sense.
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Yes, it is. My wife has used my N900 a bit since last Christmas - to text and call while traveling, to play Angry Birds, etc. Last night she updated her Motorola Cliq to from Android 1.6 to 2.1, and her first comment was, "Oh, look! I can put useful widgets on my desktop now, too!" And not long after, "Hey! I can play Angry Birds on my own phone now!"
Give them time, and they'll catch up to Maemo... :-D
So we know that Nokia's version of MeeGo is going to have an absolutely shitty UI ... Useful info.
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Wonder when you'll realize that 'four desktops' on a 'phone' is retarded.
Its not target at the general market because no normal intelligent person would try to do the things you think makes the N900 rock on a phone, they'd use a full size device.
Stop thinking the way to win the phone/tablet wars is to make a fully functional desktop computer out of them and realize that they have a place beside the desktop, not in place of the desktop.
Why the fuck would I want to work on a 2-3" or 10" screen when I have a laptop that bearly consumes any more space than a tablet and is actually a real machine with a real OS that doesn't have to run cut down versions of apps.
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I'm all for getting rid of x86 if it is a poor, power-hungry standard, but standards are still very relevant. When I can go download Meego or Android from their website for say ARM or whatever other major arches there are out there, and install it on a wide variety of device models and types, let me know, because waiting for a specific build for a specific device is ridiculous and should not be needed. Normal Linux distros do a great job of detecting existing hardware and having drivers for everything, so this desperately needs to occur on smaller devices like "phones".
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Linux is a server OS that has been migrated to desktops, cell phones, set-top boxes, and tons of other devices.
Linux is just an operating system kernel, it is often customised for the target platform. It is not explicitly for Servers, Desktops, Mobile or Embedded devices.
From what it sounds like, MeeGo might be a less than stellar MID or phone OS compared to say, Android,
If MeeGo can match or beat its predecessor, it will be better than Android.
- Maemo user
MeeGo needs to improve upon Maemo's basic functionality of supporting applications. Modest is just not good and the Application Manager is WAY too slow. I really like Maemo but the fact that some basic functionality lacks polish means widespread adoption is difficult to achieve.
TDP isn't a great metric unless your power budget is 4 watts. And then every solution that doesn't run in 4 watts is out of scope.
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Android is a mobile phone OS that runs partly on Linux, partly on Dalvik (Java)
Linux works fine on Tablets - Android does not ...
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Isn't KDE built on qt? It sure counts as "tried" and many will call it decent.