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US Robots Win Big Down Under

An anonymous reader writes "US teams dominated the MAGIC 2010 autonomous robotics competition, mapping and neutralizing simulated bombs at the 250,000 sq. meter Royal Showgrounds in Adelaide, Australia. Leading the pack with a team of fourteen robots was Team Michigan, principally from the University of Michigan, followed by the University of Pennsylvania, and RASR. This contest marks the beginning of practical robots that not only think for themselves, but also actively coordinate with a human commander."

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  1. No wonder the US robots won by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the Australian robots realised they were in Adelaide and were quite happy to let the place get blown to bits.

    1. Re:No wonder the US robots won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah yes Adelaide, the only place a bomb would do $5,000,000 worth of improvements.

    2. Re:No wonder the US robots won by davidbofinger · · Score: 4, Funny

      All the Australian robots realised they were in Adelaide and were quite happy to let the place get blown to bits.

      Nonsense! Robots love Adelaide. You didn't think the place was designed for humans, did you? The city's laid out in a nice rational square, the nasty rust-making river is damn-near non-existent and nothing ever happens. It's the sort of place an AI can sit back, chill out and let its hard drive spin down because it knows it won't be needing to make note of anything.

    3. Re:No wonder the US robots won by spacemort · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Turkey showed up and put on quite a show. However, there was a Japanese team that did not show.

  2. I love robots by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone remember the early 80s where there were basic video games, calculators in the department stores, and computers were terribly expensive? You think to yourself,"Maybe someday there will be more computers and video games around." And before that computers were rarer still and more basic. And now we're living in a world where computers are everywhere and are pretty satisfactory. You gotta think maybe in 30 years the world will be populated with decent AI robots of various types. Just like I couldn't conceive of all the types of video games possible in the future then, I can't conceive of all the types of robots possible in the future now. This feeling of,"Anything is possible in the future" brings a warm feeling into my heart. I just hope robots don't become cheap soldiers that any rich guy can own his personal army.

    1. Re:I love robots by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I just hope robots don't become cheap soldiers that any rich guy can own his personal army."

      They probably will be used for war if they become somewhat useful. That's the most important thing ever, right?

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    2. Re:I love robots by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think robots are nice and have loads of practical uses, but honestly I'm just waiting for something like LCARS to be practical. Integrated compute control of all the major systems in the house, etc.

      The only thing that never really made sense to me were typing things out. In Enterprise they had a keyboard of sorts but there weren't nearly enough keys to cover most of the major symbols.

      I suppose I'm just in love with the general concept of it.

      I just hope robots don't become cheap soldiers that any rich guy can own his personal army.

      I imagine eventually the UN is going to draw a line between remote-controlled drones (UAVs like the Predator) and AI bots and forbid AI bots from being used, at the very least, in direct combat. Besides, there are a lot of issues at hand with bots; EMPS, for one. Robots won't be nearly as agile and fast as a human running for his life can be, so I imagine they would be far more vulnerable to specialized weaponry designed to counteract them (or hell, even conventional "big bang" weaponry like grenade launchers, rockets, missiles, etc.) Robots can be hacked and reprogrammed, soldiers cannot so easily. It would be a P.R. disaster if an Army Combat bot is seized by an enemy combatant with off-the-shelf gear and turned on its own soldiers.

      I don't believe that robots will be practical enough (cost-wise) to be used as soldiers for at least 20-30 years (if we and/or the international community would even allow such a thing to happen).

    3. Re:I love robots by Peeteriz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not US soldiers - the Afgan and Iraqi army troops trained by us.
      http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=afghan+army+defect+insurgents - the top link refers to an unit defecting just two weeks ago.

    4. Re:I love robots by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Robots won't be nearly as agile and fast as a human running for his life can be

      You can outrun a motorcycle when you're on foot? Robots don't have to be anthropomorphic, and usually aren't.

  3. Congratulations... by Willbur · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Congrats to the teams that did well. I know a bunch of Australian teams that looked into entering and decided not to because:

        a) It was an engineering challenge more than a research challenge,
        b) It was closer to that ethical line of making killer robots than, say, the DARPA Grand Challenge autonomous vehicle competition,
        c) There was an extremely compressed timeline to actually make anything, and
        d) The prize is mostly prestige. i.e. It wouldn't come anywhere near the development costs even for the teams that won.

    So, it was a less than perfect competition. But that also means that the teams that did well in it did well under difficult conditions, so good for them. :)

  4. Kinect vs. $5k Hokuyo UTM-30LX Laser RangeFinder by PatPending · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They used the Hokuyo UTM-30LX Laser RangeFinder (LIDAR) which has a MSRP of $5,600 and a 30m range (270 degree FOV). I wonder if the Kinect would be a low-cost/low-resolution alternative in some environments (e.g., urban)? And at $150 each, one could use three or four Kinects for a wide field of view.

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  5. Misread title by EricX2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I read the title as US Robotics and thought it had to do with the modem company winning a lawsuit in Australia. I guess I've been reading slashdot too much lately that I always assume somebody is being sued in the stories.

  6. Re:mapping and neutralizing simulated bombs... by PatPending · · Score: 2, Informative

    All the taxpayers money seem to be destined to blow things up.

    Please see this chart which shows Defense as 23% of taxpayer's money.

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  7. Re:Kinect vs. $5k Hokuyo UTM-30LX Laser RangeFinde by getto+man+d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting idea, however, using a lower resolution sensor leads to a more complicated model. SLAM and other mapping techniques are generally probabilistic based. It depends whether or not they have the processing power and energy to find a viable solution using the Kinect or other visual senors.

    There is a large subset of the SLAM community devoted to this, Visual-SLAM; check it out.

  8. Re:Kinect vs. $5k Hokuyo UTM-30LX Laser RangeFinde by chardson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Odds that the Kinect will work outdoors should be quite low, as it relies on an array-based infrared system. Alternatively, a laser range finder uses a highly focused pulse of light at (nearly) a single point, which performs better in natural sunlight. It seems quite likely that Kinect will be popular in the near future for indoor robotics and robotics education, but indoor/outdoor robustness is strongly desired these days and scanning LIDARs won't disappear until robust Flash LADAR becomes common

  9. Re:Kinect vs. $5k Hokuyo UTM-30LX Laser RangeFinde by Missing.Matter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Laser range finders are a must for accurate mapping and localization. I work with the UTM and other LIDARS on my robots, and the maps the produce are extremely accurate. Vision based navigation is possible, but it takes a lot of computation, and a lot of work to account for the uncertainty introduced. I'd say if you have the money, use both. Kinect might work well in a crunch, but as of now vision based SLAM is still in its infancy.

  10. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON! by definate · · Score: 3, Funny

    So that's what was fucking going on!

    You dick heads, I was doing exams, and all I could hear were planes and all sorts of shit happening in the background.

    Nice and considerate!

    For those not students of Adelaide University or UniSA, we do exams in the Showgrounds pavilions. No wonder we weren't allowed in the Wayville pavilion which is what we usually use. I did notice and odd amount of military personnel around the exams, I just assumed they were taking cheating seriously... real seriously.

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