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Traffic Jams In Your Brain

An anonymous reader writes "Carl Zimmer's latest foray into neuroscience examines why the brain can get jammed up by a simple math problem: 'Its trillions of connections let it carry out all sorts of sophisticated computations in very little time. You can scan a crowded lobby and pick out a familiar face in a fraction of a second, a task that pushes even today's best computers to their limit. Yet multiplying 357 by 289, a task that demands a puny amount of processing, leaves most of us struggling.' Some scientists think mental tasks can get stuck in bottlenecks because everything has to go through a certain neural network they call 'the router.'"

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  1. Router eh? by MrQuacker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have they tried unplugging it, waiting 30 seconds, and plugging it back in?

  2. Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by Securityemo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Couldn't it just be that we do not really have direct access to the raw computational capacity of the brain? There are savants and people who have trained themselves tremendously who can do arithmetric like this, using memory tricks and such. Wouldn't that be more like a hack to "reach down" to utilize the low-level capacity of the brain? The brain is nothing like a man-made computer, but doesn't the "layers of abstraction" still apply? The brain can calculate 357 by 289, but it does not naturally "understand" what 357 or 289 is, or for that matter what the high-level instruction from "me" to "multiply" is.

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    1. Re:Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it's processing power or inability at all. I thnk it's lack of working memory. We can all work out 357 multiplied by 289 easily with pencil and paper. Very easily. And we could do it in our heads just as well if we could casually remember all the intermediary stages: e.g. 9 times 7 is 63, 9 times 50 is 450, 9 times 300 is 2,700, sum all three numbers and remember the result, now begin with 80 times... etc. But it's not easy for most people to do that. The computation is easy. But we need more registers.

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    2. Re:Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Couldn't it just be that we do not really have direct access to the raw computational capacity of the brain?

      Probably. You can scan a crowd because you have a hardware-level implementation for that; you can't multiply efficiently because that has to go through multiple levels of emulation, at least one of which has a severe lack of reliable memory.

      We shouldn't forget that abstract thought is actually a very new evolutionary hack; we've only had a real culture for a 10,000 years or so. Before that, it was cave paintings for a 100,000 years. You can't expect a very experimental feature to be thoroughly optimized, yet.

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    3. Re:Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by satuon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it is because the brain is at heart an analog instead of digital machine. Multiplying integer numbers however isn't a task well suited for analog machines.

    4. Re:Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny

      The brain arguably is man-made.

      I think you'll find there's usually a woman involved in the process too. :)

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    5. Re:Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Try being a Canadian. We're caught between you guys and the rest of the world. So while my drivers license has my height in metres and my weight in kilograms, I honestly can't think of anyone (myself included) who uses those units in real life. When the newscasts give reports on a person of interest, it's always given in feet and pounds, because most people have no clue what a 1.75m, 80kg man looks like (but they can quite quickly imagine someone 5 foot 9, 176lbs). Yet small measurements of weight (for example, at any grocery store i've ever seen in Canada) are typically in grams or kilograms. Speed and distance are usually given in kilometres (/per hour), but older and/or rural folk still use miles because the entire township/rangeroad grid is still based on miles. So you have to know that driving 6 miles down the road is going to read as 10km on your odometer. But go to the drag strip and trap speeds are all given in mph. Volume is usually in litres, but due to the US being our largest trading partner, many industries still use gallons too (especially in bulk). When I worked for an oil distributor this was always something we had to watch out for, because our holding tanks were marked in litres, but everything we ordered from the US came in gallons. It was an important concept to understand when trying to calculate how many 20,000 gallon rail-cars of oil were needed to fill three 50,000 litre storage tanks. Oh and temperatures are mostly in celcius, but a good portion of the population (especially older people) have something of a working knowledge of fahrenheit. Typically, people know room temperature is about 72 (~23C) and that anything over 100 is "damn hot" (38C), usually from/for travel. Interestingly, one of the places this all gets REALLY frustrating is in cooking. While I just stated that temperature is usually in celcius, almost everyone I know gives oven temperatures in fahrenheit, which is funny because cooking always sounds really-really-hot: a 300 degree oven sounds like a LOT, but in celcius its only 150 - actually fairly cold to cook with. This is because so much of our media (like cooking shows, books, magazines, etc) is shared. Yet so few of our small measurements are, so many recipes are given in units people don't always have a lot of experience with. I cannot count how many times i've been at the grocery store looking for an 8fl-oz can of something, and I have to stand there and scratch my head to rough it in mililitres. Oh, and a quarter-pounder here is still a quarter-pounder - come to think of it, all the burger commercials i've ever seen have been in pounds. So much for small measurements in kilo/grams.

      Anyways, the TLDR version is that Canada has the most screwed up measurement conventions of any country on the planet, hands down.
      The day the US switches to metric will be a very, very happy one for all Canadians. Not that i'm holding my breath. ;)

    6. Re:Pulling it between layers of abstraction. by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The imperial units are usually more divisible by 3 and 4, something metrics suck at. 12 is a better base than 10 for most uses. God fscked up when he made our hand.

  3. Pseudoscience? by contra_mundi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about 357 * 289 being hard is because 7 is the average size of the short term memory, and you need to remember more numbers than that to arrive at 103,173?

  4. The way math is taught... by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the way math developed and was taught is not the only way to teach "math", this is one thing that I've learned as I've grown up. And I'm still doing much research in this area.

    There are better ways to teach people how to do those computations but it requires a conceptual understanding that there is not a "Set" way of thinking about "numbers" (really our alphabet for communicating distinction and differences) linking the way we naturally think with foreign languages developed by a narrow set of minds. see: Mayan numerals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals

    Notice how mayan numerals rerepsent themelves as geometric objects that are easily discerned at a glance versus our our highly compressed representational notation (1,2,3,4). Mayans knew that all numbers are made of distinct geometric distinctions and hence they used simple uniform geometric objects as representation to communicate numbers "at a glance", representation _matters_ to how we think about concepts and how we can use them and map them between systems of thinking that only SEEM different on the surface.

    You have to understand the numbers can be rethought as natural ratio of shape and size in the real world, when we measure things in the real world we use arbitrary ratios of an object in regards to our own visual system.

    For instance 357 by 289 can be broken down to

    3.57 x 2.89

    What you're trying to do is limited the # of elements by changing the ratio you have to see "lots of things" as merely representations of smaller scale things and things get a lot easier once you understand this principle.

    The whole way math is taught is really fucked up and made for a narrow range of particular minds that function and "Get" how our mathematical system developed. If you begin studying the history of math, you realize that representation and HOW YOU THINK about how we mathematize nature matters a hell of a lot more then just throwing stuff other people figured out at kids in a symbolic format developed for a narrow subset of human minds.

    Math is just a symbolic language to communicate our observation of distinctions and differences in regards to space, matter and time in the world.

  5. Re:That was easy! by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My grandmother, while she still was alive, could do these kinds of tricks in her head in a few seconds. She could multiply 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 digit numbers, divide and even take roots. All in her head. The day she finished high school the war started, so instead of becoming a teacher she was making tank gun rounds and then after the war worked as a food store clerk and then an accountant and the head accountant for a number of stores at the same time (this was the old USSR). Most of her life she was around numbers. So in the stores even until 1980s they didn't calculators or electronic machines, they used abacus. She calculated everything in her head in seconds and told the result, the buyers would not believe her and ask her to show them on the abacus, so she did. I cannot say that I ever heard her being wrong about calculations.

    I believe she remembered a lot of the calcuations ahead of time, so she nearly knew the results (pre-cached the results) and then worked the small differences out. I don't have that cache of numbers, but 2 and 3 digit numbers I can do fairly quickly.

    289 and 357 to me is (3570 - 357) + (35700 - 3570 * 2) + 35700 * 2. So the only difficulty here is making sure I don't screw up the subtractions, and those are just a matter of paying attention.

  6. An analogy by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's an analogy to illustrate the category error people make when comparing the human brain to a computer:

    "A Sony Walkman can record and play music in realtime, fast-forward and rewind, and store an hour's worth of music. These tasks require a 75 Mhz processor and 100 megabytes of memory on an iPod Shuffle. Therefore, a Sony Walkman has a 75 Mhz processor and 100 megabytes of memory."

  7. Knowing by Sanat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We had a family friend (he has passed now) who could go to a railroad crossing with a train going 60 miles per hour down the track and correctly add the 7 digit (or more sometimes) numbers on each train car as the train passed.

    He said that he would not "add" the numbers but allow for them thus coming up with a total more through allowing the right answer than by math manipulation like we would have to do consciously.

    The whole thing was sort of spooky to behold... here we were writing down the numbers of each car and he effortlessly knew the running total. It was if he allowed his unconscious part of his brain to observe the number, add it to the running total without interfering with the process mentally and then his conscious mind would retrieve the answer from the unconscious mind at the end of the train or after 20 cars have passed or other terminating choice.

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  8. Re:That was easy! by MDillenbeck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think I saw the PBS special that covered what was mentioned. There is a school in Asia (Japan? China? India? Don't remember, it has been a while since I saw the special) where the students are started at a young age using an abacus. They learn to do complex calculations quickly. Once they read a high speed, they take away the abacus and let the students use an imaginary one. Stage 3? They begin limiting the finger twitching until the abacus exists only in the visuospacial sketchpad and "muscle memory". Although more challenging for an adult learner, with enough years even an adult could learn this method. The advantage of the abacus is manipulating larger numbers than some of the "finger" tricks - but essentially these schools reduce them to just that, minor finger twitches that trigger a mental image of an abacus.

    Chunking to optimize usage of working memory is pretty impressive. Think about how we teach kids to decompose the problem of 289 * 357. We essentially tell them to break it into 4 problems x = 289 * 7, y = 289 * 5 * 10, z = 289 * 3 * 100, and x + y + z. However, we then teach student to do the same with each of the 3 subproblems of 4 calculations (289 * 7 is a = 9 * 7, b = 8 * 7 * 10, c = 2 * 7 * 100 and so on). Thus we have 13 problems to solve while the typical range of items in working memory is 5-9. By creating the mental abacus, the person conducting the calculation now has it fit inside the limits of the working memory.

    I could not do the problem mentally. However, when I looked at it I said 289 * 357 is about 300 * 350, or just under 105000 ( 11 overestimation is greater than the 7 underestimation of two similarly sized numbers, so I would expect to be over slightly in my estimate). For most cases where mental calculation is needed, an approximate 3% error isn't too bad.