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FCC Commissioner Blasts Verizon On Net Neutrality

destinyland writes "FCC chairman Julius Genachowski says that net neutrality rules 'will happen,' promising the FCC 'will make sure that we get the rules right... to make sure that what we do maximizes innovation and investment across the ecosystem.' But the same week, FCC Commissioner Michael Copps announced that the public should not stand for deals 'that exchange Internet freedom for bloated profits,' mocking the tiered-data plans of the 'Verizon-Google gaggle' and accusing them of wanting 'gated communities for the affluent.' Speaking at a New Mexico hearing, the commissioner warned the audience against proposals that would 'vastly diminish' the Internet's importance, blasting 'special interests and gatekeepers and toll-booth collectors who will short-circuit what this great new technology can do for our country.' (The text of his speech is available as a PDF file at FCC.gov.) He concludes by acknowledging that 'you can't blame companies for seeking to protect their own interests. But you can blame policy-makers if we let them get away with it!'"

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  1. Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tsk America. How on earth did this guy slip through the net? Isn't the name a bloody clue this is a pinko who will undermine your countries economy... oh wait... to late.

    On a more serious note, novel way to resign. I wonder how many policy-makers choked on their breakfast or had to have it explained to them that some people think that it is not their job to protect the interests of companies at the expense of everything else.

    Brave guy, but somehow I feel any praise I write is like writing a eulogy.

    1. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is this modded troll? It's completely accurate. Net Neutrality will never happen in the US for two reasons:

      1. The Republicans are against any regulation of companies at all, so they'll never support it.

      2. The Democrats want to censor the Internet in the name of reducing piracy/protecting children from "cyber bullying." Anything called "Net Neutrality" that comes from a D will actually be a way to censor "unpopular" thought from the 'net (read: anything remotely conservative), along with massive fines for anyone caught "pirating" data.

      As long as either of those parties are involved, net neutrality will never happen.

    2. Re:Oh boy by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Democrats want to censor the Internet in the name of reducing piracy

      I'm pretty sure the Republicans are right there with them on that one.

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    3. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, those Democrats sure do want to discourage people from having conservative thoughts. That's why they have a 24 hour media machine that scares the bejesus out of people, claiming that sinister conservatives are destroying the fabric of America, building a knee-jerk association in peoples' heads between "conservative" and "anti-American traitor," selectively editing out-of-context video footage to make people from groups that liberals don't like look bad...

      No, wait, those are the OTHER guys. I know Slashdot has been getting somewhat more paranoid and wingnutty, but seriously. Have you LOOKED at the Democrats, who couldn't even "suppress the conservative thought" inside their own damn caucus for two years? Breathe, come back from conspiracytown, and join us back in the real world.

    4. Re:Oh boy by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>pinko who will undermine your countries economy...

      The local internet, by definition, is not a free market. It's a monopoly just like the phone and electric monopolies and needs to be regulated the same way. IMHO rather discuss net neutrality, the FCC should just impose the same Common carrier rules the phone company must follow, where they are required to handle all calls equally regardless of content.

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    5. Re:Oh boy by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, those Democrats sure do want to discourage people from having conservative thoughts. That's why they have a 24 hour media machine that scares the bejesus out of people, claiming that sinister conservatives are destroying the fabric of America, building a knee-jerk association in peoples' heads between "conservative" and "anti-American traitor," selectively editing out-of-context video footage to make people from groups that liberals don't like look bad...

      No, wait, those are the OTHER guys. I know Slashdot has been getting somewhat more paranoid and wingnutty, but seriously. Have you LOOKED at the Democrats, who couldn't even "suppress the conservative thought" inside their own damn caucus for two years? Breathe, come back from conspiracytown, and join us back in the real world.

      Have you LOOKED at MSNBC? Were you not watching CNN when a reporter called a giant Hitler at a protest a George Bush "look-alike".

      I understand that it's hard to recognize bias when it's bias you agree with, but seriously man, open your eyes! Say what you will about Bill O'Reilly, but I've never seen a conservative on Olbermann's show.

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    6. Re:Oh boy by Pojut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Say what you will about Bill O'Reilly, but I've never seen a conservative on Olbermann's show.

      Would you really want to? Have you ever seen a left-winger on a fox news show? What happens? They get shouted down/talked to like they're five. I'd imagine the same thing would happen should a right-winger appear on MSNBC.

      The REAL question is, why are you watching the big news services? You realize they're nothing more than fear, polarization, and embellishment, packaged to sell advertisements...right?

    7. Re:Oh boy by LaissezFaire · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's only a monopoly if a government has forbidden another company to enter that market. Don't confuse the costs of the last mile with government intervention and restriction of the market.

    8. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Holy shit. I guess I'm done with Slashdot. I hadn't realized the demographic had become filled with such idiots. This comment and its +5 moderation is the intellectual equivalent of canceling real programming to show Ghost Hunters. This comment is ridiculous on several levels:

      1. That only liberals who "deserve it" are shouted down on Fox News.
      2. That any reasonable discourse on anything involves shouting down.
      3. That somehow this got modded up.

      I have always been used to swimming in a sea of Libertarians on Slashdot in the 12+ years I have been reading, but I have never seen such blatant lunacy modded up to a +5. Time to jump ship.

  2. Would those rules be complex? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fail to see where does the complexity of those rules lay. It seems that the only need for complexity starts exactly where net neutrality ends.

    1. Re:Would those rules be complex? by aaribaud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All right. This appears simple. Now *is* it simple, i.e., how do you go about implementing this in practice?

    2. Re:Would those rules be complex? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unhindered in this sense is defined as not prioritising or retarding progress of a packet based upon content, including destination and source. The only factors which should influence the delivery speed of the packet is the time the packet was sent, and network congestion. Packet B before C, packet A first, and the only difference between them as far as prioritising is concerned is that A arrived before B before C.

      The question was to define the concept of network neutrality, not come up with an implementation. How ISPs go about this is something they need to work on.

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    3. Re:Would those rules be complex? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Net neutrality is the belief that any and all data on the network should be treated identically. You may as well be asking what racial equality is, barring universals and ambiguity.

      Unless you're a specialist in sociology, employment law, and politics, I don't think you can comment on racial equality except in universals and ambiguous terms. The same applies to networking engineers commenting on network neutrality. However, both can agree that having a general concept of either is a Good Thing, and can probably agree on the basics of each.

      Leave the technical details to the specialists; I simply wanted to put the concept into simple terms anyone could understand.

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    4. Re:Would those rules be complex? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The solution is simple; Broadband as a utility. Nationalise the network hardware, allow private companies to provide service over it.

      Works for the power grid.

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  3. I'll believe it when I see it... by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Policymakers are great about talking up justice for everyone and saying no to special interests until thy actually have to put pen to paper. The FCC can make all the noise they want, but until this Net Neutrality is actually on the books and being enforced call me skeptical at best.

  4. Can't blame them? by julioody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely you can blame then when, in the course of protecting their interests, they bribe and corrupt a system designed to protect the interests of the majority, in order to create blockades that add no value whatsoever to a product that got paid for with tax money.

    1. Re:Can't blame them? by Lothar+0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. When everyone expects human greed and disregard for the public good to rule businesses, then businesses will meet that expectation. Public policy is supposed to be a check on that, but the first line of defense consists of decision-makers in business remembering back to some very basic lessons they were taught in the home and in kindergarten; the "sharing is good" and "be nice to others who aren't like you" kind.

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  5. Easy peasy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    unhindered: when you get a packet, move it on when you can.

    when you ask for 300GB/sec it won't be in one packet, so you ask for a packet and get a packet back. Over a 100GB/sec pipe, you can't ask for 300GB/sec so no hindrance in effect

    Keep going? On what?

    Net Neutrality is WHAT YOU HAD ALREADY. These laws, unlike most (because, probably, they don't serve commercial interests but the american people) had a sunset clause and the clause ended recently.

    You know, all those companies and innovation and money and increased revenue you had in the 70's to 2000? Under Net Neutrality.

    But COMPLAINTS about Net Neutrality? Now THERE'S a money-to-lawyers scheme...

  6. Re:no solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You think at X gig per month people will put up with bloated pages, flash, ads all over hell?

    From the very same companys selling X gig per month?

    I don't think so.

  7. Re:Projecting again, kid by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, he's not stupid. Rather he has indeed defined in unambiguous terms how to do this.

    Layers 2&3 of the ISO/OSI stack (International Standards Organization, a body the US contributes to and uses for referential standards) refer to the transport and routing of information. Service neutrality is easily defined. It doesn't exist today on many US ISPs. Between deep packet inspection and service throttling, we lost net neutrality (if we indeed ever really had it) a few years ago.

    Every word doesn't have to be defined clearly. Please stop drinking so much coffee before you hit 'submit'. Your anger and argumentative posture do nothing to quell the biases, especially the network biases under consideration here. Name calling and intimidation is characteristic of the insecure.

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  8. Oh dear, yet another one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The laws already existed. ISPF already defined which connection. BGP routing already defines what interface and route.

    "The 1000000 gigabit/nanosecond pipe for the paying content providers (Disney, etc)"

    If it's Disney's ISP then they already pay for which connection, just like your business defines the connection as DS3 or OC192 or whatever.

    But Disney doesn't pay for MY connection, *I* pay for it.

    "Clever networks WILL intentionally route traffic they don't want over too congested a connection "

    And such clever networks will be spotted and it can hardly be explained away as "we didn't know" since such shenanigans aren't available without explicit instruction.

    " Keep going? On what?

    Plenty."

    No, the rant of the idiot ended there.

    Plenty of NOTHING.

    "If you are going to define how network providers are going to route traffic"

    ISPF and BGP define it.

    "Doing this in a manner with no loopholes is REALLY hard."

    Same as any law. This doesn't stop law being written. Why should it in this case? Because money is involved. Money in gouging the content creators that make the ISP worth paying and gouging the customers AT THE SAME TIME.

    "You're also going to have to define how it will be monitored, what will be monitored, what the consequences are for violating the rules"

    These laws were already in place when the internet took off.

    You're like someone saying "Heavier than air flight is impossible and even if it happens, how do you define the safety standards and consequences for breaking the law" AFTER being shown Quantas Airlines.

    It's a challenge that has already been met.

  9. Please Read The Fucking Article by openfrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should there not be words of support on Slashdot for such a clear and unambiguous stand from the FCC Commissioner and the FCC Chairman? This is exactly what we need to begin turning the tide.

    Look at the discussion below: sidetracked in a shouting match and out of topic all the way down (at least at the time I write this...).

    Please!

    1. Re:Please Read The Fucking Article by Cwix · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your RIGHT!! We need more corporate overlords, shipping our jobs over seas and charging us double for something we already get!!

      Fuck off.

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    2. Re:Please Read The Fucking Article by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its funny, but I think this troll feeding brings up a real question here for me... why is it that we can only discuss this as an "either/or"?

      Why is every argument about regulation reduced to "more government vs more corporate overlords"?

      I think that both sides really do have points here.

      It isn't hard to dislike the FCC. Even if you, as I do, admit that they were started for fairly valid reasons. They have, as is the nature of political beasts, been pushed by vocal minorities to impose censorship of content, and to actually enforce it.

      That said, its easy to dislike companies on this net neutrality issue. My ISP is going to take my money for providing service, and then sell my network performance to third parties? They already sold it to me, now they are going to let someone else pay to make it better?

      I can understand the need to shape traffic, or outright limit bandwidth. That I am ok with, what I am not ok with is other companies being given the option to bribe my ISP to affect my service. Even more so, that my ISP would, essentially, want to use it as a form of blackmail. "We have X users, we will degrade all of their traffic to your site unless you pay us". As a paying customer, I resent being used in such a way, especially in such a way as to mean that my service, which I paid for, is going to be degraded for the scheme. Its one thing to offer less, or degrade service to capacity reasons, but... just to blackmail other companies? Its my service, the service which I pay for shouldn't make any distinctions about what I want to connect to.

      Of course, we have that problem of, many agree that something should be done. This move by the FCC is something. It doesn't really follow that that makes it the right thing.

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