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The Software That Failed To Compete With Windows

harrymcc writes "When Microsoft shipped Windows 1.0 back in November 1985 — it turned 25 on Saturday — it wasn't clear that its much-delayed windowing add-on for DOS was going to succeed. After all, it was a late arrival to a market that was already teeming with ambitious competitors. A quarter-century later, it's worth remembering the early Windows rivals that didn't make it: Visi On, Top View, GEM, DESQview, and more."

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  1. OS/2 by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They left out the most viable competitor.

    1. Re:OS/2 by VGPowerlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They left out the most viable competitor.

      Given that this is a list of "Windows' Failed Rivals", OS/2 rightfully isn't on that list... IBM continued to release new OS/2 versions for nearly a decade after its initial release.

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    2. Re:OS/2 by interval1066 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I believe Windows 1.0 predates OS/2 by a bit."

      You're right, but OS/2 is worth mentioning anyway. I tried it back in the day, and really liked it. It was a 32 bit os when Windows was still only 16 bit and REXX was a really powerful shell language, much more so than Batch. I'm really sorry it couldn't survive. Although it gave it quite a go. I think I've read comments from /. readers who still use it.

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  2. Hard to forget hell. by pugugly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Twenty-five years and two days later, it’s not just hard to remember an era in which Windows wasn’t everywhere"

    Bullshit - As a C64 and Atari ST veteran, twenty-five years later it's painful to remember the extraordinary effort it took to lose to windows. I had better graphics playing Neuromancer on the C64 than windows managed for a decade, and let's not even talk about comparing Star Flight on the ST vs the DOS version.

    Jack Tramiel should be strung up for crimes against computing.

    {sigh} - Pug

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    1. Re:Hard to forget hell. by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So many people have posted that what you need to succeed against Microsoft is simply greed. I think Jack Tramiel is evidence that this is not true. Greed != Business Acumen.

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    2. Re:Hard to forget hell. by Angst+Badger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit - As a C64 and Atari ST veteran, twenty-five years later it's painful to remember the extraordinary effort it took to lose to windows. I had better graphics playing Neuromancer on the C64 than windows managed for a decade, and let's not even talk about comparing Star Flight on the ST vs the DOS version.

      Seriously. I never had one -- I was an Apple II fanatic for reasons (obviously) unrelated to its graphics capabilities -- but the Atari ST was an amazing piece of hardware, way ahead of its time, and in retrospect, I can see that it was clearly the best of the 8-bit era. This was a machine with three microprocessors: one general purpose CPU and separate processors for both sound and video. And it was cheaper than most of its competitors. It probably would have been vastly successful if the Atari name hadn't been so firmly associated with games.

      I wonder how old the author of TFA is. It's not hard to remember life before Windows at all. I remember life before DOS, back when the first pull-down menus were implemented in WordStar -- a text editor by today's standards -- solely as an aid to learning the key commands.

      Hardware and software have come a long way since then, but it came at the expense of losing the rich variety of the early personal computer era, to the point that people now have passionate arguments about the barely perceptible differences between Mac and PC GUIs.

      Hm, if I'm not mistaken, this is where I should tell someone to get off my lawn. ;)

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  3. Windows did fail... Totally. by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows 1.0 was a total failure. Nobody used it. I worked at a computer store at the time and people would ask us to take it off the drives of the compter because they had no use for it.
    Windows 2.0 was also a total failure.
    Only when Windows 386 and WIndows 3.0 came out was Windows usable. Even then most people didn't use it. It just slowed down their dos programs.
    Only when Windows 3.11 came out did WIndows become popular. Mostly to run DOS apps. Windows won because Microsoft just gave it away for the longest time. Almost nobody would have paid for it. That is why all the others failed. Most people wouldn't pay for a program to run programs!
    Microsoft used the drug dealer method to win market share. But to call any version of Windows before 3.0 as not a failure is just not valid.

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  4. Re:Desqview by elbobo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Same experience here. Nothing at the time other than DESQview was offering decent multitasking for tasks like BBSes. Windows was a joke in comparison.

    Eventually I gave up DESQview, but it was a painful transition and I bitterly resented Microsoft for winning in the market with their inferior product.

  5. OK. I'll speak the truth and take the hit. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These are not examples of technologies that Windows beat. They are example of companies, many of whom had superior products, that never made it due to Gates' underhanded business practices.

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  6. Re:OK. I'll speak the truth and take the hit. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, your post erroneously assumes that the answer to the question: "When will Linux be ready for the desktop?" is not "It has been ready for years.". You also are overlooking all the lies told, the FUD sold, the standards committee tampering, and the Halloween Documents that prove that Microsoft indeed cheated, even though it still didn't win (though their customers have certainly lost.)

    The question I want answered is "When will Windows be ready for the desktop?", because I guarantee you my Linux box blows the doors of of any Windows machine hands down, and does it all without being a Malware fest.

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  7. Re:Deskmate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " TSR...hacks to make your machine use memory above 640k..."
    " It is hard for people to understand just how messy things were in those days..."

    No, things were NOT that messy in those days. They were that messy in the DOS/Windows world.

    Other systems of the time had device drivers that abstracted printing details from apps. They had no 640K barriers. They had preemptive multitasking. They had device independent APIs, and abstracted container file formats.

    Don't confuse the mess that was DOS and early Windows with the state of the industry as a whole. It was not that bad, it's just that for whatever reason, everyone chose to support the system that was an architectural clusterfuck.