Slashdot Mirror


The Software That Failed To Compete With Windows

harrymcc writes "When Microsoft shipped Windows 1.0 back in November 1985 — it turned 25 on Saturday — it wasn't clear that its much-delayed windowing add-on for DOS was going to succeed. After all, it was a late arrival to a market that was already teeming with ambitious competitors. A quarter-century later, it's worth remembering the early Windows rivals that didn't make it: Visi On, Top View, GEM, DESQview, and more."

15 of 347 comments (clear)

  1. OS/2 by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They left out the most viable competitor.

    1. Re:OS/2 by VGPowerlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They left out the most viable competitor.

      Given that this is a list of "Windows' Failed Rivals", OS/2 rightfully isn't on that list... IBM continued to release new OS/2 versions for nearly a decade after its initial release.

      --
      GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
    2. Re:OS/2 by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article: "I considered only environments which were designed to run on IBM-compatible PCs, and which (like pre-1995 versions of Windows) ran on top of DOS rather than replaced it. (That's why the Mac OS and OS/2, for instance, aren't here.)"

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    3. Re:OS/2 by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Funny

      OS/2 rightfully isn't on that list...

      ...but then, of course, OS/2 was 1/2 of an operating system.

  2. Hard to forget hell. by pugugly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Twenty-five years and two days later, it’s not just hard to remember an era in which Windows wasn’t everywhere"

    Bullshit - As a C64 and Atari ST veteran, twenty-five years later it's painful to remember the extraordinary effort it took to lose to windows. I had better graphics playing Neuromancer on the C64 than windows managed for a decade, and let's not even talk about comparing Star Flight on the ST vs the DOS version.

    Jack Tramiel should be strung up for crimes against computing.

    {sigh} - Pug

    --
    An Invisible Entity of Vast Power whose existence must be taken on faith alone: Liberal Media
  3. Desqview by TheDarkener · · Score: 4, Interesting

    was awesome. I used it to run multiple nodes on my Renegade BBS. Of course, back then nothing was truly multitasking, but this was pretty darn stable for its time. We moved to Windows '95 when we were told that it would provide better multitasking abilities.

    It was at that point I started truly despising Windows/Microsoft. "What are all of these files in my root directory?" I remember exclaiming. I always kept a very organized filesystem, and now my operating system was telling me I couldn't do that anymore.

    It was all pretty much downhill from there.

    --
    It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
    1. Re:Desqview by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      Of course, back then nothing was truly multitasking, but this was pretty darn stable for its time.

      Well, except for UNIX and a couple of others. There was real multi-tasking in 1985, don't let anybody tell you that Windows '95 was first with it.

      MS was actually late to the game when it came to multi-tasking.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    2. Re:DESQview by Tanktalus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I started running my BBS under DESQview. However, I then wanted to learn to program C++, and went out and bought Borland C++ for Windows. Silly me. At least it was the student edition (read: cheap). So I thought, well, Windows 3.1 claims to multitask DOS apps, so why not try it? Well, just running the single DOS app under Windows, not even having anything else loaded, on a 486dx2/66 w/16MB RAM, resulted in users complaining about speed - on their 2400 baud modems. So I knew that was a no-go.

      Then, someone at work (I was a co-op student at the time) suggested OS/2. After buying a student copy of that, too, I installed it. I could run two nodes of the BBS at 33.6kbps PLUS compile under Windows, or I could run one node AND use the other modem to connect to the internet via the university, and load up a web browser and do all of that stuff while the DOS BBS continued to run just fine.

      Later I switched from Renegade to Maximus which had a native OS/2 version. Used a lot less resource that way, but even then, Renegade for DOS still *worked* under OS/2, which is more than I could say for the same machine running DOS 5.0 / Windows 3.1.

      I continued with OS/2 for years, and avoid Windows still, just because it has never, in my estimation, been able to handle what I threw at OS/2, or now throw at Linux. I still miss the OO desktop OS/2 had, that and the Extended Attributes. They were really really useful things - metadata attached to a file that when you removed the file, the metadata automatically went away. Brilliance. Copy the file, the metadata copies along. Move the file, the metadata moves with it. Absolute brilliance. The 64KB limit might have been a bit low to continue on into today, but the idea was still awesome.

    3. Re:Desqview by radish · · Score: 4, Informative

      Preemptive vs co-operative. In early multitasking setups (Win 3, MacOS, etc) each task had to cede control of the CPU itself so that the OS could schedule the next process - a badly behaved app could fail to do so and thus take over the whole system. Preemptive multitasking puts the OS in control so that it can decide how much CPU time each process gets.

      --

      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

  4. DESQview by elbobo · · Score: 4, Informative

    DESQview was brilliant. It was completely workable on the hardware of the time, functional, did what the box said, fast... It was the right solution for the time. It just happened that hardware moved on and left the phase in time that DESQview occupied behind.

    I was running multinode BBSes under DESQview back in the day and getting fantastic performance. None of the graphical competitors were in any way workable alternatives for that sort of performance on the hardware available.

  5. Windows did fail... Totally. by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows 1.0 was a total failure. Nobody used it. I worked at a computer store at the time and people would ask us to take it off the drives of the compter because they had no use for it.
    Windows 2.0 was also a total failure.
    Only when Windows 386 and WIndows 3.0 came out was Windows usable. Even then most people didn't use it. It just slowed down their dos programs.
    Only when Windows 3.11 came out did WIndows become popular. Mostly to run DOS apps. Windows won because Microsoft just gave it away for the longest time. Almost nobody would have paid for it. That is why all the others failed. Most people wouldn't pay for a program to run programs!
    Microsoft used the drug dealer method to win market share. But to call any version of Windows before 3.0 as not a failure is just not valid.

    --
    See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
  6. OK. I'll speak the truth and take the hit. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These are not examples of technologies that Windows beat. They are example of companies, many of whom had superior products, that never made it due to Gates' underhanded business practices.

    --
    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  7. Re:So ... by mikael · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thought it was more the "lock-in" provided by the Window API. Microsoft didn't conquer the workstation market until around 1995 with Windows NT/95. One by one they got the workstation vendors to replace their UNIX OS's with Windows NT using a "UNIX is LEGACY" advertising campaign; DEC, Digital, then HP and SGI caved in, as application developers could really only support the three most popular OS's that their customers use. As Windows NT took over one vendor after another, they gradually reached No.1 position and forced customers and vendors to use Windows.

    UNIX competitors didn't help themselves by charging "UNIX" prices for components like monitors and RS232 cables as well as having totally different API's for everything - remnants of this can be seen when reading Linux man pages - there will be references to POSIX behavior, parameters or result codes.

    At this time, Microsoft Mail was the dominant E-mail server software, but even they had to adopt "sockets" in order to connect to web servers. Sun came out with this little PC on a board solution that ran a Windows desktop in a window in order to allow users to use Microsoft Office, before buying up StarOffice (renamed to OpenOffice) and released it to break the Microsoft stranglehold, then went on to provide JAVA as a rival to MFC, .NET and C#

    You can stand up to Microsoft, but only through co-operation, quality and reliability. Make sure that whatever you develop is to an internationally agreed standard that literally leaves no bit unspecified (even in an API function call). Otherwise, Microsoft will just find a way of embracing, extending and extinguishing that specification through a patent on the use of that single bit. Similarly with "extension" based API's and formats.
    Tie down every single bit and avoid any sort of "extension format"

    --
    Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
  8. According to MS, Win temporary, OS/2 + PM future by perpenso · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I believe Windows 1.0 predates OS/2 by a bit."

    You're right, but OS/2 is worth mentioning anyway. I tried it back in the day, and really liked it. It was a 32 bit os when Windows was still only 16 bit ...

    OS/2 2.0 was 32 bit but OS/2 1.0 was a 16-bit protected mode text based replacement for DOS. OS/2 1 eventually had a GUI called Presentation Manager, the API was very similar to MS Windows. I think OS/2 1 + PM is the actual first competitor to WIndows, not OS/2 2.

    In the early MS Windows 3 era MS told developers that Windows was just a temporary GUI for DOS to satisfy existing installations that will eventually be migrated to OS/2 1 + Presentation Manager. They emphasized how source compatible WIndows and Presentation Manager were and that porting would not be a major issue.

    IBM and MS were partners in OS/2. IBM was developing OS/2 2.0 while MS was developing OS/2 NT in parallel. While both were 32-bit and GUI based, OS/2 2 was the more expedient reworking of OS/2 1 and ran only on x86 CPUs. OS/2 NT was to be to the complete rewrite that would run on various CPUs. At some point MS decided to ditch IBM and renamed OS/2 NT to Windows NT. Its interesting to note that Windows NT offered OS/2 1 support.

  9. Re:X-Windows? by mozumder · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is slashdot.

    If slashdot users are using it, then it failed in the real world.