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GNU/Linux and Enlightenment Running On a Fridge

k-s writes "Linux, the GNU userland and Enlightenment and its foundation libraries (EFL) are known for their resource efficiency and flexibility, key components for embedded products. Today it was announced that such features led them to be used in a fridge that runs Linux and X11 with EFL. The Freescale i.MX25 based fridge by Electrolux (Frigidaire) provides the expected bits such as temperature controls and pre-set modes (vacation, party) as well as a special purpose drawer that cools your drinks and food with a beautiful UI. It also ships with handful applications for contacts, calendar, reminder, digital picture frame and even an illustrated recipe book from a famous Brazilian magazine."

222 comments

  1. Beer by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, Linux can now keep my beer cold, but can it bring me a cold beer?

    1. Re:Beer by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      So now we can have our free as in beer and drink it too!

    2. Re:Beer by edcs · · Score: 1

      So, Linux can now keep my beer cold, but can it bring me a cold beer?

      In only 200 lines.

    3. Re:Beer by rvw · · Score: 1

      So, Linux can now keep my beer cold, but can it bring me a cold beer?

      This is the fridge that makes the blitz! Think of all the girls!!! They will bring it to you!!! It's just about the girls man!!!

    4. Re:Beer by Mr+Thinly+Sliced · · Score: 3, Funny

      And it seems their beta-testers have been using the calendar function to plan interesting things:

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/54577173@N04/5054479509/in/photostream/

      (See top left)

    5. Re:Beer by sharkey · · Score: 1

      That's a whole different appliance.

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    6. Re:Beer by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You have to use sudo for that.

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    7. Re:Beer by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It can if you build a robot and use Linux as its OS.

    8. Re:Beer by menkhaura · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Sex" is the three-letter abbreviation of "Sexta-feira", Portuguese for Friday. Yeah, I love to ruin everyone's party.

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    9. Re:Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for clarification:
      sex is a shortening of "sexta-feira" or, in English, friday.

    10. Re:Beer by genkaos · · Score: 1

      Good one, but unfortunately it's the abbreviation of Sexta-Feira (January 1st 2010 is friday). Dammed portuguese!

    11. Re:Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "sex" is short for "sexta-feira" (Wednesday).

    12. Re:Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sex" is the short for "sexta-feira", which means Friday in Portuguese.

    13. Re:Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      omg! how did they miss that!

    14. Re:Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Took me a couple seconds to get the joke, probably because I was thinking in portuguese... "sex" there means sexta-feira, friday.

    15. Re:Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, Linux can now keep my beer cold, but can it bring me a cold beer?

      *sudo* bring me a beer.

    16. Re:Beer by deek · · Score: 1

      Yet another reason to love Fridays, especially those with Portuguese partners.

    17. Re:Beer by Squeeonline · · Score: 1

      Say sudo!

    18. Re:Beer by nspyraishn · · Score: 1

      So, Linux can now keep my beer cold, but can it bring me a cold beer?

      Hey! "...not free as in 'free beer'...", Remember?!? Although they do have free (open-source) beer now...

    19. Re:Beer by nspyraishn · · Score: 1

      In only 200 lines.

      The last time they said "In only 200 lines", kernel developers had a hissy fit and several killjoys pointed out you could get better performance with two commands and 4 lines of .bashrc code.

    20. Re:Beer by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      No, "sex" is Friday.

      However, according to a friend who used to live in Cologne, Wednesday is for the other kind of sex ...

  2. Cool..... by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

    It's cold out here all alone at the top with a nice UI.

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    1. Re:Cool..... by ranulf · · Score: 1
      I think it's cool from a geek point of view, but totally unnecessary.

      Apart from the first couple of days of owning the fridge to set the temperature to something sensible, in the last 6 years, the controls I've wanted to use are "defrost" (once). I can also see the use for the "just got home from supermarket, chill a bit more please" button, but it's not something I need as I'm close enough to the supermarket that my food is still cold when I get it gome.

    2. Re:Cool..... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apart from the first couple of days of owning the fridge to set the temperature to something sensible, in the last 6 years, the controls I've wanted to use are "defrost" (once). I can also see the use for the "just got home from supermarket, chill a bit more please" button, but it's not something I need as I'm close enough to the supermarket that my food is still cold when I get it gome.

      Just wait until they start putting RFID or something similar on food packages - then it'll be easy to patch in a "take inventory" mode, and have it tell you what you're out of.

      Or for some of us, maybe a "time in fridge" monitor to warn us when something has passed "somewhat stale" and is heading towards "biohazard"...

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    3. Re:Cool..... by callmebill · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Problem with the inventory mode is that containers remain in the fridge until they are empty. E.g., even though I have about half a glass of milk left in the bottle, by my fridge's estimation I still have "one bottle of milk". And what about produce! I think it's a novelty for people with disposable income. Even having a browser or a cookbook on there... Do you want to stand in front of the fridge and read? No. Bust out Joy of Cooking and leave it open on the counter. Maybe the most useful thing would be web radio.... my fridge would need integrated speakers, though.

    4. Re:Cool..... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      ...my fridge would need integrated speakers, though.

      I'm sure with enough tech thrown at it, the doors themselves would make good enough speakers.

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    5. Re:Cool..... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'd like to have a fridge with hoses that run outside, bringing cold air into the fridge in the winter, and piping the hot air from the condensers outside in the summer. That would reduce electric and heating costs, and also reduce the power plant emissions.

      It doesn't seem like it would take very complex engineering to do, either. A couple of digital thermometers (one in the freezer, one in the fridge, one outside ), electric shutters, and a simple computer to control it.

      Oh, if someone tries to patent this, PRIOR ART! Free to the world (you're welcome).

    6. Re:Cool..... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I think it's a novelty for people with disposable income. Even having a browser or a cookbook on there... Do you want to stand in front of the fridge and read? No. Bust out Joy of Cooking and leave it open on the counter. Maybe the most useful thing would be web radio.... my fridge would need integrated speakers, though."

      Don't most people by this day in age, just have a spare laptop in their kitchens for looking up recipes, etc?

      And tunes? Well, I have a small HD tv in there that I can watch cable, or hook my iPod up to for videos...or just tunes with the computer speakers I have hooked to it.

      When I get my own house..I'll have a more custom kitchen, with large LCD tv hung up higher, and maybe some Klipsch shelf speakers for tunes. Cooking is fun for me...so, I like to have a few drinks and crank up the entertainment while chopping and cooking.

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    7. Re:Cool..... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't know if slashdot has suddenly been taken over by catering students or something, but I know that I can get a full overview of my fridge's inventory in less than five seconds by opening the fucking door and looking.

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    8. Re:Cool..... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Don't most people by this day in age, just have a spare laptop in their kitchens for looking up recipes, etc?

      Only on slashdot...

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    9. Re:Cool..... by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      People already do this stuff, though then again, much of what gets patented in tech these days has also already been done but goes unnoticed by the USPTO.

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    10. Re:Cool..... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Don't most people by this day in age, just have a spare laptop in their kitchens for looking up recipes, etc?

      Where? Outside the cooker hob, sink and drainer, I have approximately 1.5 sq.m of counter space containing about 0.4sq.m of dishwasher, kettle, microwave and food containers. I could prepare vegetables or read something from a laptop.

      There's a reason that I print recipes and have fridge magnets. It gives me somewhere to hang the recipe while I'm cooking.

      Tunes? What's wrong with leaving the door open so that you can hear the system in the living room next door? It's not like you ever close that door anyway.

      Oh, I see. You use the laptop as a cutting board. Ingenious.

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    11. Re:Cool..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "just got home from supermarket, chill a bit more please"

      The thermostat does that. The machine only has two modes of operation: on or off. If the air is above the set point, it is on. If not, it is off. It doesn't need to know why it needs to turn on, only that it does. And you don't want it to adjust its set point any lower because that would freeze the milk.

      Now, the fridge is a great place for a computer like this, because it is a fairly central point that most everyone sees on a daily basis. That's why god invented magnets, after all. And a computer-like thing can imporve on this usage.

      But you don't want that combined with the actual system running the refrigeration. We have already lost the "it just works" battle with TVs and phones, now we are going to have to reboot our fridge once a week to update its kernel so a [whatever] exploit won't freeze our milk solid, or a runaway process causes our compressor to short cycle because it isn't getting fed the right data at the right time. I mean, didn't Toyota have some kind of problem with over-computerizing things? If they can't manage to get it right with the spectre of car accidents to motivate them, I can't imagine how awful these systems will be. "Oh, your cheese went bad? Yeah, that's a bug we found where if you schedule an event at 3:30pm on the fifth Friday of the month it changes the setpoint to 48. We'll fix than in the next update after the guy in Sweden who owns the temperature control source tree gets back from vacation and commits the bugfix."

      The only added benefit that a microcontroller *might* add is to allow for more accurate temperature control. You can set it at 34 and be a little more assured it will stay there, unlike mechanical thermostats that can get jostled or just not work right due to wear and whatnot. It might also eliminate failures in mechanical controls,

  3. Imagine... by Dynetrekk · · Score: 0

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of those! The cooling needs should be taken care of quite nicely...

    1. Re:Imagine... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      The computer must be terribly overclocked, judging from the big cooling system they added.

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  4. Interesting use of Linux by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    Whereas most of the implementations of Linux out in the market are either invisible (routers) or phones or Android implementations, this is one of the first commercial applications that I've seen that really takes advantage of the flexibility of the OS. Of course Linux has a great kernel and network stack, but it also has good graphics and peripheral support.

    It's pushing into an area where (strangely enough) Windows CE would have traditionally have dominance. Many "panel" devices on the market are WinCE based because of the synergy between the embedded OS and the desktop OS. But that synergy is a lot of hype, when you get down to it. Support for standards like TCP/IP is enough to connect two devices nowadays. Given that the fridge is always powered, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to have it run a webserver and service requests from DLNA devices around the house.

    The built in applications here are interesting, but once true connectivity is achieved, that's when I think we will see the benefits of Linux as the base OS really shine.

    1. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to have it run a webserver and service requests from DLNA devices around the house."

      Oh please. This is sounding like one of those ridiculous Kitchen-Of-The-Future scenarios dreamt up by Honeywell or whoever in the 70s where we'd all be eating food cooked for us by a house robot, just updated for the 21st century. Networked hi-tech white goods may appeal to a small subsection of technology fans in their 20s but most people just want a toaster to be a toaster, an oven to be an oven and a fridge to be a fridge.

    2. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Haedrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And this is why this is posted in /.

      We're not "most people".

    3. Re:Interesting use of Linux by ledow · · Score: 1

      Then you're even sadder than most of the crowd here. You think that the guy that deals with stupid users and tech support all day long WANTS to come home and have to reboot his fridge? Or check the event logs to see why it didn't stay cold? Or have to fix it after the kids prod too hard / manage to crash the damn thing?

      Not all techies want to live their live in a bad 1960's sci-fi movie. I'm quite happy to have a fridge be a fridge. Hell, my last model was the first that was auto-defrosting and that never works as advertised anyway. Sod having to come home to a flooded, smelly, damp kitchen because the damn fridge crashed because it was 2038.

    4. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Haedrian · · Score: 1

      Your argument seems to be along the lines of "If a fridge gets more complicated - then it'll stop being able to peform its duties as a 'keeping-cold' device". I would think (hope?) that:

      1. The software is tested (or formally proven) - there are very little inputs to account for anyway
      2. There is a backup in terms of a thermostat or a FLC (in fact, I'm 101% sure that you could do the 'different modes' using a FLC with a number of different rules depending on the mode chosen).

      I'm pretty sure I'd prefer to check event logs then to just guess that the little piece of metal which is meant to keep my fridge at the right temperature failed to break the circuit because it broke, or got too cold and snapped or whatever.

    5. Re:Interesting use of Linux by IronSight · · Score: 1

      Sod having to come home to a flooded, smelly, damp kitchen because the damn fridge crashed because it was 2038.

      You are acting like this machine runs windows 95 xD Not sure here, but I am guessing even if the kernel crashed the designers would be smart enough to setup the fridge portion of the machine to stay on. And I'm sure it was stress tested before the release. But I could be wrong. Since the gui on the screen *isn't* playing games or running web servers or running wine, you *really* shouldn't have to worry about any crashes. Most linux desktops these days are pretty hard to crash if you keep it simple as I suspect the design is.

    6. Re:Interesting use of Linux by ledow · · Score: 1

      Going by things I've seen and bought myself, from just about every major manufacturer and every product type I've ever used, I'd guess that the designers *weren't* that smart. If anything, I bet it goes into a default mode but removes all control (i.e. you can no longer control the thermostat) if it goes wrong. I'm not saying that's certain, or that it's the way to design such a fridge, but it's several hundred layers of unnecessary bullshit in order to keep your food cool.

      Hell, we don't even know if the thing actually keeps on working if that machine crashes - nowhere does it give anywhere near enough details to discern that, or exactly what it *does* control. What's the life on a touchscreen? What's the life of an ARM embedded thing running Linux? What's the life of whatever storage medium it uses to do all that fancy stuff (e.g. write cycles)? What's the replacement cost of that part if it fails? What's the cost price of the unit? What's the warranty on those parts?

      Now, does it run for 15+ years like every refrigerator I've ever seen / bought / used? I've yet to throw away a non-working fridge, or to have to perform more than trivial maintenance on one. Throwing technology at something like this doesn't make it better. This is a classic example of good advertising - people like you will buy it when in fact a much cheaper, much more reliable fridge is available in any second-hand electrical shop for much less than the price of other gadgets that replace EVERY function it has and more. Please don't cry when you have to buy another one after two years.

    7. Re:Interesting use of Linux by MadnessASAP · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whats a Fridge? By the sounds of the previous comments it sounds like my icebox, you know the thing that I put the big block of ice in to keep my food cold for a few weeks? Dunno about this whole fridge thing, sounds kinda flaky and unnecessary I mean you can't go wrong with an icebox can you? It's a box with a bit of ice. Nice, easy simple. And well we're on the subject you can keep your electricity and indoor plumbing, who wants to live in a house that can spontaneously catch fire or flood? Not me that's for sure.

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    8. Re:Interesting use of Linux by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      Looking at the photos on the Electrolux Flickr page, I'm going to agree with you that the implementation leaves much to be desired.

      They provide apps like "photos" and "orkut" and other things that really don't belong on a refrigerator *in that form* because the refrigerator has a very short use case duration.

      However, that doesn't mean the general concept is bad. Connectivity is a good thing, though I think most people get hung up on the concept of "the refrigerator will track my purchases and tell me when stuff goes bad". And that's a pretty lame use case. But there are others that do make sense, such as dynamic energy usage, remote power management, system status self-report, among others that would typically be relatively invisible to the user.

      The only time you would use these features is when you need them, such as turning off the refrigerator when on vacation (and having it override you if there is anything likely to spoil).

      It can't do this without network connectivity, and if it intends to provide a service outward and to grow in features, a server of some sort is a necessary feature.

      The obvious and visible features are what we see first, but the real benefits are in the ones that blend in as natural features.

    9. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Nice try with the analogy. Didn't work though. Ice boxes failed when the ice melted so it was an imperfect solution. A fridge however carries out its design task perfectly.

    10. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "The software is tested (or formally proven) "

      Believe me , *no one* is going to spend HUGE amounts of money formally proving software for a fridge that sells for $400.

      Anyway , just reduce the chances of software failure to zero - don't use any. Which is the situation we have at the moment.

    11. Re:Interesting use of Linux by profplump · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A) Many modern fridges do have software, they just don't have much of a GUI. It's cheaper, more durable, and more energy efficient to build real controls instead of thermo-electro-mechanical systems.
      B) You have to control the fridge with something. If you don't use software you need to use some equivalent piece of hardware that can break in new and exciting ways and is subject to the same sorts of design flaws. Plus it's really hard to apply a patch to your mechanical thermostat if it does turn out of to be flawed.

    12. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proving the software is largely worthless when it runs on a massive operating system such as Linux. Look at Android, which should have been a simple platform... only that because of its foundation, each new release exposes dozens of bizarre kernel related problems. And then some modder ports the latest kernel version over, and history repeats itself.

      It's a lot like when some application or computer game requires external scripting support, so the programmers decide to use Python. Only that, because Python is an incredibly complicated language best used for systems development, this inevitably backfires in some way, and the support issues are only worked out long after. Yeah, it's nice to have that power within reach, but it comes at a cost.

      I don't think I've ever seen Linux 'done right' on embedded systems (e.g. check out OpenWrt, which is a great effort but quite alarming on several levels).

    13. Re:Interesting use of Linux by dbIII · · Score: 1

      C) Shiny stuff sells. If you think about it a cold water dispenser on the front of a fridge is a mostly pointless way to save five seconds but it looks impressive. A pretty GUI helps
      D) The original market for the internet fridge or similar converged devices is yuppies in small inner city apartments with spare cash. It's only really as silly as putting a pile of different functions on a telephone or those LCD photo frames that somebody must be buying.

    14. Re:Interesting use of Linux by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Hey! What's wrong with digital photo frames? : )

    15. Re:Interesting use of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. The software is tested (or formally proven) - there are very little inputs to account for anyway

      Not much point in proving the application when you can't even think about proving the OS. If this were a twenty-line program running directly on a controller (no OS, no libraries) proving it might be viable and worthwhile.

    16. Re:Interesting use of Linux by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Or have to fix it after the kids prod too hard / manage to crash the damn thing?

      That's why they use Linux instead of Windows.

      Not all techies want to live their live in a bad 1960's sci-fi movie.

      I already do, having been a teenager in the 1960s. Your cell phone, PDA, PC, CDs, DVDs, eye implants and other medical marvels, flat screen TVs, VCRs and DVRs, microwave ovens, etc were science fiction when I was a kid, and some of them weren't even concieved of by the science fiction writers I read.

    17. Re:Interesting use of Linux by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Being different does not always mean you're better.

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    18. Re:Interesting use of Linux by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you think about it a cold water dispenser on the front of a fridge is a mostly pointless way to save five seconds but it looks impressive

      No, it's a lot easier to press a button and get ice/water rather than faff around with tap water and banging out ice cubes from trays.

      Especially if you've got kids - have you ever seen a six year old try to carry a brimming tray of replacement ice-cube water?

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    19. Re:Interesting use of Linux by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The only time you would use these features is when you need them, such as turning off the refrigerator when on vacation

      Yes, I can't even count the number of times my holidays have been ruined because on the second day I suddenly remember "OMG I forgot to turn my fridge off, I can't relax thinking of the tens of pennies of electricity I must have wasted".

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    20. Re:Interesting use of Linux by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Nice try with the analogy. Didn't work though. Ice boxes failed when the ice melted so it was an imperfect solution. A fridge however carries out its design task perfectly.

      Unless you have a power failure. In that case, the ice box has an advantage. :-)

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    21. Re:Interesting use of Linux by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      The hell an icebox didn't carry it's design task perfectly, an icebox was designed to keep items cool and fresh so long as it's provided with a regular supply of ice, which was available year round via delivery, a fridge is designed to keep items cool and fresh so long as it's provided with a regular supply of electricity. This new fancy fridge is designed to keep items cool and fresh AND provide an in kitchen computer interface to various applications so long as it's prerequisites are met and I'm sure that it will carry out said task perfectly (or as close to perfect as can be reasonably achieved).

      Do not assume that just because you cannot imagine a future world or do not like the future world you imagine, that everyone else is equally handicapped.

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    22. Re:Interesting use of Linux by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      It's only really as silly as putting a pile of different functions on a telephone

      Why is that silly? This allows you to take a snapshot if you see anything funny while on the road, or to browse you e-mail or play a game when bored in the middle of nowhere (or just in your dentist's waiting room). Or to quickly show off how you can crash the windows box over there with a carefully crafted packet. Or to easily settle a bar bet while still finishing your beer. Or to not miss any appointments thanks to the built-in calendar. Or to easily take down notes about some interesting gadget you see at the supermarket.

      or those LCD photo frames that somebody must be buying.

      They make great gifts for aging parents. Easy to personalize by putting whatever photos on it that you like. And some can even be remotely updated, so that you can send your holidays pick directly to them, while still on the road.

    23. Re:Interesting use of Linux by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      ... and candles can set a house on fire perfectly well too. Actually, a lot more easily than faulty wiring.

  5. Electrotux? by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...

    1. Re:Electrotux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should use IceWM. Tsk. Unless Enlightenment is planned to work when the door is opened... B^]

    2. Re:Electrotux? by silverglade00 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget tuxonice.

  6. its first command by nthwaver · · Score: 5, Funny

    sudo make me a sandwich

    1. Re:its first command by TheCreeep · · Score: 3, Funny

      *Bzzzt* There. You are a sandwich.

    2. Re:its first command by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      sudo make -k me a sandwich

      FTFY. Must continue despite errors. Wouldn't want to not have any sandwich at all, just because you're missing the pickle.

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    3. Re:its first command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a coincidence. That was the first command I *tried* using on my wife after we got married.

    4. Re:its first command by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 1

      Strange name for a woman, Sudo, she a foreigner?

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    5. Re:its first command by Narpak · · Score: 1

      It might be safe to predefine the acceptable range of such errors though. Getting a sandwich without the pickle might be alright. However having to deal with some sort of biohazard scenario due to the manufacturing process having spun out of control, might ruin your day to a far greater degree than missing one sandwich.

    6. Re:its first command by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      cd ~/sandwich
      ./configure
      make
      sudo make install

      At least that's what I've been told is the magic sequence.

    7. Re:its first command by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I guess the answered: "Password?"

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  7. I always said... by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    ...linux is cool.

    Yes I know, painful. I'm sorry.

    1. Re:I always said... by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      No need to apologise. Chill.

    2. Re:I always said... by Haedrian · · Score: 1

      (continued)

      Lets hope they continue development for this - I wouldn't like for this branch to be frozen.

      *tap tap* Is this thing on?

  8. Much as I love Linux .... by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .... really , this is just crazy technology for its own sake. All I want from a fridge is to keep stuff cool. Thats it. I don't need a multitasking operating system to do that or any operating system at all in fact and nor do I need a fridge to tell me when I'm running out of milk - I can usually see that for myself thanks - or re-order stuff for me since I might not want the same things again the following week thanks.

    A fridge IMO is one of the white goods in which the KISS principal definately should apply.

    1. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Pflipp · · Score: 1

      > All I want from a fridge is to keep stuff cool.

      Adding linux makes it 100% cooler.

      Plus, the fridge obviously keeps the computer cool. Win-win. Help global warming!

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    2. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by nickruiz · · Score: 1

      A fridge IMO is one of the white goods in which the KISS principal definitely should apply.

      But what if your fridge could eventually adjust its temperature, based on the contents inside? Assuming that the fridge could have regulated compartments, you would no longer have to worry about your vegetables freezing while you're trying to keep your beer cold. Or, alternatively, maybe your beer doesn't have to be so cold when you're on vacation. One more way to help the average consumer save on energy costs.

    3. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I find this kinda fun:

      "the Infinity I-Kitchen provides the user with unparalleled control over his refrigerator"

      I don't know about that. Unparalleled control? How? Already I can open fridge, close fridge, put in and remove stuff from fridge. Oh and set the temperature. That's about how much I wish to care about my fridge.

    4. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by ledow · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's called a thermostat. Or possibly, if you want to get REALLY advanced, a couple of them. As would be required for any computer-controlled system too.

      Other than that, you've just complicated a mechanical problem to that of a fridge that occasionally requires rebooting, that the kids will crash and that won't perform any better than a non-techy fridge.

    5. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean there could be vegetables and beer in a fridge at the same time? That's preposterous!

    6. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The digital air conditioning units shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan have a slight problem. They were not tested in that environment so the electronics would die. The units have no backup. You can't just hack something up due to the way it's designed. So they are pilled up waiting on parts that the vendor does seem interested in sending since they're too busy sending more units that will break.

      The people who repair these have been forced to give up the ultra reliable ac units so they've been stripping everything off them except the serial number and turning the remains in. Then they use those parts to repair units that they can keep or build units from scratch. These have parts that can be repaired in the field up to and including had rewiring and hand making contacts for the contactors and other interesting hacks.

      The joy of open source sustainable hardware versus the hell of single source supplier.

    7. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I find this kinda fun:

      "the Infinity I-Kitchen provides the user with unparalleled control over his refrigerator"

      I don't know about that. Unparalleled control? How? Already I can open fridge, close fridge, put in and remove stuff from fridge. Oh and set the temperature. That's about how much I wish to care about my fridge.

      That just reminded me of this......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ

    8. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For my current fridge, due to failures in the control panel circuit, the control panel was replaced, the entire fridge was replaced and the control panel on the replacement was replaced and this is for a much simpler control unit. This is unnecessary complexity. If you need a kitchen computer, buy a kitchen computer.

    9. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by houghi · · Score: 1

      There are already compartments in my fridge for that purpose. Regulation is done by standard mechanics and if I go on a holiday, I just either turn the fridge down by hand or off (and open) if it is a longer vacation.

      Do I think it is fun to have a fridge running Linux with a nice GUI? Yes. Would I buy one? Most likely not.

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    10. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Relax dude, these complicated new fangled horseless carriages also won't ever succeed...

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    11. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      Yeah, who buys vegetables? Now steak & beer, that's a whole different story.

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    12. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      If horses could already do 70mph , run for hours without a stop and be refilled in minutes they wouldn't have done. If you've already got something that works fine why replace it with something that is more complicated, probably more expensive and doesn't do a better job?

    13. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A fridge IMO is one of the white goods in which the KISS principal definately should apply.

      Hell, I want my stove to not even have a clock. It's just one more device that I need to reset after DST or a power outage, but units won't shut up about setting the time after a reset.

      I mean really, how many people have actually used the timer functionality to automatically turn /on/ a roast at a certain time? What I'd want is perhaps a countdown timer, but /that/ feature isn't on any stove that I'm aware of.

    14. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by merdaccia · · Score: 1
      None of us on /. need a fridge to tell us we're running out of milk. None of us have milk, you insensitive clod.

      PS. Don't kiss your principal.

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    15. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by vandan · · Score: 1

      :) Was thinking something very similar, just as I came to your post.

    16. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by profplump · · Score: 1

      Horseless carriages are more complicated, more expensive, and for the kinds of transport people were already doing with horses, typically not any better.

      You're letting your lack of imagination get the better of you. Currently your fridge doesn't do anything except regulate the interior to some specific temperature. But imagine any of these improvements, which didn't take me 3 whole minutes to concoct, and which are entirely within the limits of current, consumer-priced electronics and computing capabilities:

      A) Better energy efficiency by tracking usage patterns and adjusting the cooling cycles to match -- if it's 5 PM and nearing the setpoint maybe we let it warm up another 4 degrees because you're likely to open the door in the next 30 minutes. Maybe at night we run longer, more widely spaced cooling cycles because we know the door rarely opens to lose our cold air. Maybe we coordinate with the A/C to not run at the same time to limit overall household current draw. Or any of 45 other improvements related just to when and how you do cooling control that are impractical with simplistic control mechanisms.

      B) How about version 2.0 of this that includes a handful of force gauges on the shelves. Now I can take out some food and have the fridge automatically track my serving size, emailing it to my desktop for us in tracking my diet. Or the next version after that, that integrates a camera so I can read UPCs and track weights. And now that I know what items are in the fridge and how quickly they're being used, I can let the fridge build a shopping list. Or I can connect to it from the office and ask it if there's any milk left.

    17. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by profplump · · Score: 1

      Instead couldn't you have a network-connected clock that didn't need setting? And now that you've got a network connection, wouldn't it be handy to leave a roast in the oven and turn it on an hour before you head home from work? Or to have your desktop notice that your phone is out-of-range and put the entire kitchen in "away" mode to ensure you didn't leave the stove or coffee pot on? Or to have your freezer scan the UPC of the pizza you're removing and signal the oven with the correct temperature and cooking duration, so you can just hit "start" instead of manually entering the data? Or have the oven reduce the cooling sensitivity of the local climate control system to avoid over-cooling while it's throwing out heat?

      "Simple" is a matter of perspective. Today you've got a whole slew of manual steps that could be completed automated. The devices would be more complicated internally, but most people would consider them easier to use once they got used to the transition. Consider today's cars vs. those from the 70s. Today's cars are certainly more complicated, but they also go longer between regular maintinance, have more and better failsafe/limp-home modes, and provide significantly more self-diagnostic information to facilitate repairs. Which version better adheres to the KISS principal?

    18. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Maybe at night we run longer, more widely spaced cooling cycles because we know the door rarely opens to lose our cold air.

      You know that fridges only run the compressor when they warm up inside, right? So if you don't open the door, they don't warm up as frequently and the compressor stays off.

    19. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Think of it like this. You have metric ass-tons of money. Your counter-tops cost $20k. The floors another $10k. You have a cook, a housekeeper. Your cupboards are filled with food imported from all over the world. Now you need a fridge... The biggest thing in your kitchen is going to be the least expensive? Are you going to go to bestbuy to pick it out? No. So there are these sorts of appliances that seem crazy to a normal person but really are just and excuse to pour money into a device so it doesn't devalue the room in which it resides.

    20. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      A fridge IMO is one of the white goods in which the KISS principal definately should apply.

      Ah, yes, like Apple products.

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    21. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "Horseless carriages are more complicated, more expensive, and for the kinds of transport people were already doing with horses, typically not any better."

      Horses need to be fed and watered often, tire relatively quickly, tend to shit everywhere, arn't particularly comfortable to sit on and generally can only take a max of 2 people. Not problems you usually get with cars.

      Other than that, no , horseless carraiges are no better.

    22. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by tresstatus · · Score: 1

      .... really , this is just crazy technology for its own sake. All I want from a fridge is to keep stuff cool. Thats it. I don't need a multitasking operating system to do that or any operating system at all in fact and nor do I need a fridge to tell me when I'm running out of milk - I can usually see that for myself thanks - or re-order stuff for me since I might not want the same things again the following week thanks.

      A fridge IMO is one of the white goods in which the KISS principal definately should apply.

      Good thing they still sell fridges that just cool things...... you can go stand in front of your fridge that only cools things and talk on your cell phone that only makes phone calls. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/11/17/1922208/Anti-Smartphone-Phone-Launched-For-Technophobes

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    23. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wanted it to be 100% cooler, I'd put it in the freezer.

    24. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by kangsterizer · · Score: 1, Interesting

      if it does the above tasks well i don't see why not. it's not like if it was going to force reordering of what you need. But i'd like if it told me "eggs u put there 1 week ago are going to be bad tomorrow if u dont make them today" cause hey, we don't all always remember that stuff.
      I'm not saying i'd pay extra for it, but if it's there (and will eventually be there) then why not. Can always open the fridge and check everything inside if you prefer that.

    25. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add a barcode scanner and some open-source inventory management software with a web portal -- let it send you an email while your shopping to remind you what to bring home. Connect it to Facebook (to see who you are dating) and Netflicks and when you buy those wine coolers it could go ahead and cue up some date movies. Have it yell at you when you try to get a midnight snack?

      The possibilities are endless!

    26. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If horses could already do 70mph , run for hours without a stop and be refilled in minutes they wouldn't have done. If you've already got something that works fine why replace it with something that is more complicated, probably more expensive and doesn't do a better job?

      There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.
      — Ken Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

      We don't know what people will "need" or want until we build it and show it around. You could say the same thing about putting computer chips in coffee makers, but we now have (semi-)automatic espresso / late / etc. machines that allows anyone to make drinks easier. We have chips in stoves, washing machines, microwaves, etc.

      Why not put some in a fridge to see what happens? Let people tinker in peace.

    27. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      If horses could already do 70mph , run for hours without a stop and be refilled in minutes they wouldn't have done. If you've already got something that works fine why replace it with something that is more complicated, probably more expensive and doesn't do a better job?

      WTF? Have you SEEN an early car? You'd be lucky to get them up to 15 km/h, let alone 70 mph. They were loud, inconvenient, overly complex contraptions which spent more time in the shop than they did on the road. A horse was a thousand times better. If we had stuck with your mentality nobody would have ever bothered developing the automobile to the point where they're actually useful. Luckily for man-kind, there have always been geeks who are willing to put up with all sorts of inconveniences and headaches just so they can play with the newest gadget. Without them we'd still be sitting in a cave eating our meat raw, because it's "good enough".

    28. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Horses need to be fed and watered often

      Cars need to be refuelled and maintained often.

      tire relatively quickly, tend to shit everywhere

      overheat, pollute

      arn't particularly comfortable to sit on and generally can only take a max of 2 people.

      You know, there's a reason that cars were called "horseless carriages", Einstein. The name implies the existence of a carriage WITH a horse.

    29. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Arlet · · Score: 1

      wouldn't it be handy to leave a roast in the oven and turn it on an hour before you head home from work?

      I'm not really in the mood to prep a roast in the morning before I leave for work. I'll just make one in the weekend.

    30. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Plus, the fridge obviously keeps the computer cool.

      The fridge uses an energy-efficient, cool-running ARM CPU, so that's not much of an issue. Computers can be very energy efficient when they don't need to do something quickly / run Windows / play Crysis. A modern smartphone is more than powerful enough to be a home server - until a few months ago my PDA was more powerful than my home server. I could live with a laptop powered by a Marvell Armada 628, I'd love to have one in my PDA.

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    31. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "And now that you've got a network connection, wouldn't it be..." ... a real bitch of someone hacked your fancy networked oven and your roast went up in flames along with your house.

      "more self-diagnostic information to facilitate repairs. Which version better adheres to the KISS principal?"

      You ever tried repairing a modern car yourself?

      And all the diagnostics has led to is a breed of idiot at the local repairer who couldn't tell a spark plug from an injector pump without help from his computer and if the computer claim's there nothing wrong - even if the engine is belching black smoke - then he has no idea what to do.

    32. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You sound like an Apple user.

      So you want to find out if you're out of milk so you know if you need to pick some up on the way home from work, but since you're human you can't remember. You don't know if you need eggs either.

      With a computerized fridge you could find out. It could also track it's own performance and tell you if something is wrong, rather than just seeing the difference on your electricity bill. It doesn't need to have a screen or a keypad, it could look like a regular fridge, but a little barcode scanner, internal webcam and power + temperature monitoring could make it much more useful.

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    33. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .... really , this is just crazy technology for its own sake. All I want from a television is a black and white picture that tells me of interesting current events. I don't need this 'colorized vision' to do that or any sort of gadgetry at all and nor do I need a television to have a remote control - I can get up and change the channel myself, thanks.

      REPENT, LUDDITE! REPENT IN THE FACE OF THE ONWARD MARCH OF TECHNOLOGY.

    34. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Maybe so, but to justify an expensive fridge's price tag by slapping on a calendar+digital frame+recipe book shows a disappointing lack of imagination.

      If I were a billionaire geek, I wouldn't spend extra $$$ just so my fridge gets a stupid calendar.

      I'd add better materials and functionally _related_ features.

      Each of my fridges (hey why not have more than one right?) would have aerogel insulation, better door seals, and shelves+walls made of better and tougher material.

      And add a bunch of air jets, thermal cameras to the fridge interior, and a computer. So if you put something warm in the fridge, the fridge can target it and cool it down to the desired temperature ASAP.

      Also a special rapid chiller section to cool things down really fast without freezing. Put in an item then the self cleaning and sanitizing walls will inflate/move to contact the item(s) to be chilled, then quick chilling proceeds by having a very rapidly circulating liquid at "just above freezing temp" flowing in the flexible walls (think "wind chill" but faster and only to just above freezing). You could have a combined rapid chilling and rinsing section/mode for water proof items- stick a can in, close the door and rapidly flowing cold purified water will be used to quickly chill the can.

      Similar for the oven(s). Aerogel insulated, very well controlled jets of air - in terms of speed, direction and temperature, to ensure that heating is quick, even, and to the right temperature. After all say you want to heat something up to X degrees C but no more than that, and want to do it quick. A conventional oven wouldn't be able to do it that easily.

      I'd also have a few food grade thermal immersion circulators[1] for sous-vide and similar style cooking for temperature ranges boiling and below.

      And "will it blend" class blenders ;).

      Heck if you were insanely rich and kitchen obsessed, why not have an oven with a built-in MRI so that the oven's computer can guess what you've put in, how to cook it, and during the cooking figure out how cooked different parts are :).

      [1] something like this: http://sousvideaustralia.com/products/polyscience-immersion-circulators/
      But better of course (the water flow rate appears rather slow ;) ) if you a billionaire geek who wants an expensive high tech kitchen :).

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    35. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      One more way to help the average consumer save on energy costs.

      Except you pay for it in maintenance fees, not to mention up-front cost. I recently had a problem with my gas heater - the 'starter' went out. Since when do gas heaters have starters? The repair man said it was to save on energy. Okay, but what do I now have to pay him for replacing something I otherwise could have fixed with a match?

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    36. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "Cars need to be refuelled and maintained often."

      Try finding a horse that can run for 3 hours without stopping.

      "overheat, pollute"

      I haven't had a car overheat on me in 20 years.

      "You know, there's a reason that cars were called "horseless carriages", Einstein. The name implies the existence of a carriage WITH a horse."

      And your point being? Most people who travelled by horse rode ON the horse because carraiges were fucking expensive for your average peasent.

    37. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spelt 'peasant', vulgar churl.

    38. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you've never lived as a guest in a household that stocks up 2 months ahead (seems to be typical here) or lived on a diet other than steak and beer and morning cereal. The dorm icebox would suit your needs well, no need to upgrade.

    39. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, it's actually slightly more complicated than you think. Most people here are probably too young to remember defrosting a refrigerator, but back in the day you had to periodically unplug the fridge and remove all the food so all the ice from condensation could melt. This condensation occurs because when you open the fridge door, warm moist air enters the box and condenses on the cooling element.

      Modern refrigerators periodically heat the cooling element to remove the accumulated ice. Older frost free systems ran the heater on a fixed timer, but in *newer* systems the timer adapts to refrigerator use by only advancing when the compressor runs. Since the compressor running is correlated to how often you open the door and introduce warm moist air into the box, this saves energy and reduces spoilage by keeping the box cooler.

      So it's quite reasonable to take the next logical step and adjust the operation of the fridge based on how often you actually open the door. It might even figure out that you are doing something that has you opening the door frequently (e.g. during a party) and run both the compressor and defroster aggressively. Alternatively it can notice that nobody has opened the door in in the last several days and go into an energy saving mode.

      Of course, this is all for marginal benefits. A standard modern refrigerator does a pretty good job using simple rules of thumb. But this is the endgame for Moore's law we all imagined a decade or two ago, when computing power had become so cheap it was ubiquitous. It doesn't cost any more to install a microcontroller into a fridge than some clever analog control circuitry, and it's feasible on a high appliance to install a fairly sophisticated computer.

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    40. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Or, alternatively, maybe your beer doesn't have to be so cold when you're on vacation

      Or, alternatively, maybe you don't need beer to be maintained at a chilled temperature when you're not even there to drink it, which could be achieved by, for example, not leaving it in the fucking fridge.

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    41. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      I know that "simple" electrical system on my fridge failed, and turned on the auto-defrost continuously, melting everything in the freezer, spoiling milk etc $5 sensor, $60 damage. A look online shows it as a common failure of this thermostat. If the fridge would have been loaded with $600+ worth of food, like it is today, and I was away for the weekend I would have really appreciated a system that could send a text message alert (so would those expecting to show up on T-Day for a meal, to find I had gone to KFC instead. Of course the smart fridge would have noticed it was still defrosting before a hour had elapsed, and 4 of the 5 sensors were in agreement, and thrown a fault on the 5th bad sensor, and continued running with just a approximation of what temperature my beer was.

      Sure it is 5* more likely to have some failure with a proper smart system. It is also 5* less likely for the fridge to become a oven.

    42. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      their are other advantages to not having a pilot light on 24/7. We have a propane fireplace with a pilot, the GF was doing crafts inside with some spray on glue this week, that warned to turn off pilot lights. Luckily the smell had her open the windows, and turn down the thermostat, but the pilot was still at the ready had the concentration reached the "right" mix. At least with the igniter the heat would have had to actually turn on with the concentration already correct. It does also have a "oxygen sensor" that would shut down the fire, not sure what it triggers on, or if it kills the pilot also.

    43. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by cb88 · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Motor_Carriage_Company "A Stanley Steamer set the world record for the fastest mile in an automobile (28.2 seconds) in 1906." .... they held the record for the fastest steam powered vehicle record untill just a few years ago. The founders of the company often got tickets for exceding 60Mhp (in reverse even) on production cars... and steam cars are inherently quite and the stanley models used a direct drive meaning no shifting of the transmission leading to a ride similar to what you might have in a prius (CVT transmission) The primary drawback to the stanley steam car was the requirement that you heat it up for a few minutes before leaving.... apparently White one of their competitor reduce the startup time to about a minute... though the stanley cars were probably simpler and safer in design.

    44. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by dwinks616 · · Score: 1

      It takes an almost imperceptible amount of water flow to achieve maximum convection. All you need to do is ensure there isn't a "pocket" of warm/cold air/water/other fluid next to the object and that's it. Try it sometime with some frozen steaks or something. Put one under the tap, turn it on halfway with cold water and time how long it takes to thaw, then do it again with the water on a tiny trickle. Sure, full on it will be faster, but only marginally, and at the cost of using 100x or more water.

    45. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      What I was talking about was the difference between a $500 fridge and a $5000 fridge. What you're talking about is a $10,000,000 prototype that you'd spend several years developing and have no support for when the MRI pulls the fillings out of your wifes head.

    46. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I do. You don't want a nice baked potato and salad with your steak?

    47. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_automobile "The history of the automobile begins as early as 1769, with the creation of steam-powered automobiles capable of human transport.[1]"

      I said "Have you seen an early car?". A vehicle made 150 years after the invention of the automobile doesn't exactly qualify. In another 150 years, I'm sure the average fridge will look rather different than today.

      Here's a better example:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benz_Patent_Motorwagen

      "The Karl Benz Patent-Motorwagen (or motorcar), built in 1885, is widely regarded as the first automobile, that is, a vehicle designed to be propelled by a motor."

      "Benz later built more models of the Motorwagen, model number 2 boasting 1.5 hp (1.1 kW), and model number 3 with 2 hp (1.5 kW), allowing the vehicle to reach a maximum speed of approximately 10 miles per hour (16 km/h)."

    48. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      And your point being? Most people who travelled by horse rode ON the horse because carraiges were fucking expensive for your average peasent.

      But your average peasant could afford a horseless-carriage quite easily!

      The problem here is that you apparently think that modern vehicles were available back when almost everyone still depended on horses, at a price that they could actually afford. Everything you've said depends on that faulty assumption. As soon as you realize that cars back then were so shit that even a half-dead mule was preferable, your entire rant ceases to make any sense whatsoever.

    49. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Hey he was talking about spending money :). It'll still be faster, and you don't have to use 100x the water - just recirculate it.

      This calculator seems to give a heat transfer change of about 10x every time you speed/slow the fluid by 100x

      http://www.efunda.com/formulae/heat_transfer/convection_forced/calc_lamflow_isothermalplate.cfm#calc

      You have to fill in the water characteristics yourself though. I used 0.001, 0.010 and 0.100 metres per sec. plate at 4 C, fluid at 60 C

      So say at 10cm per second you get 1200 watts transfer, at 0.1cm per sec you get 120 watts transfer. Seems significant enough to me, assuming the calculator works for that range, and I put in the right values :).

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    50. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      that you'd spend several years developing and have no support for when the MRI pulls the fillings out of your wifes head.

      Depending on the details, that might actually save a hypothetical geek billionaire some money even after deducting the 10 million ;).

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    51. Re:Much as I love Linux .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the computer is inside the fridge? Interesting... wold be a bit awkward to have to open the door to the compartment in order to use it.

  9. Sirius Cybernetics Corporation by tancque · · Score: 1

    Have they been programmed with a cheerful and sunny disposition?
    If so... no thanks.

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  10. Phone call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello, there's a Penguin in my refrigerator!

    1. Re:Phone call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it taste like chicken?

  11. Linux on a fridge by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    thats cool!

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  12. Mass quantities of Bass Ale by koekepeer · · Score: 1

    E16 used to check for 'mass quantities of bass ale in fridge'... has this now become reality? I'm impressed

    1. Re:Mass quantities of Bass Ale by Lennie · · Score: 1

      It's E17 actually.

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    2. Re:Mass quantities of Bass Ale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and Bass is always best from the pub, served at a proper temperature (i.e. "warm" to former colonials and former prime ministers).

  13. Call me by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    Call me when it uses *less* power than a regular fridge.

    1. Re:Call me by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Sure I'll call you when the first computerized fridge that monitors it's own temperature and power usage to detect air leaks and mechanical trouble is produced.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  14. Possible uses... by IronSight · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, it would be cool to have a list of contents with the date they were put in so you can keep track of things that need to be thrown out (useful for foodservice industry to keep only fresh foods on hand). A timer app to beep when you need to pull the turkey out in case your stove doesn't have a timer (I know my gas stove doesn't). Of course the recipe app they mentioned is a good idea. Temp contols aswell. An app that checks the compressor status and other things (like those industrial air conditioners they use in server rooms to track humidity and such) with suggestions for optimal performance at low power cost for your fridge like, "Hey don't hold the door open kid!" for my son when it detects the door has been sitting there open for 2 minutes. A passworded door lock so your kids don't try to climb in playing "hide and seek" or try to take a beer out when you go outside for 2 minutes. Any other cool ideas?

    1. Re:Possible uses... by ledow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Well, it would be cool to have a list of contents with the date they were put in so you can keep track of things that need to be thrown out (useful for foodservice industry to keep only fresh foods on hand)."

      So you want to sit and enter a date for every item you ever put into your fridge? As far as I know, no barcode contains data about expiry dates. If you did, you'd need one on every product. Then you (and your kids) would need to scan everything in and out in order for it to be anywhere near accurate. I'd predict about a month before you got bored and never used that facility ever again, or before you got tired of starting to cook and then realising your son ate your cheese without scanning it out.

      "A timer app to beep when you need to pull the turkey out in case your stove doesn't have a timer (I know my gas stove doesn't)."

      Buy a 50p kitchen timer.

      "Of course the recipe app they mentioned is a good idea."

      Wanna have to keep running to the fridge to read the next line of the recipe? Need to keep updating those recipes every week or so? Much simpler to print them out from the net, buy a recipe book and / or buy a cheap device that can display PDF. Not to mention having to buy the damn recipes in the first place.

      "Temp contols aswell."

      Really? Because fridges don't have those already?

      "An app that checks the compressor status and other things (like those industrial air conditioners they use in server rooms to track humidity and such)"

      So you can micromanage an environment that you will actually see no advantage to just setting it to a half-decent setting on any modern fridge? I have other things to spend my time on than micro-managing my fridge's environment. Hell, I don't even manage the server rooms in work to this level of detail. So long as it's not an oven in there, with alarms going off, I don't really care. Same for my fridge - no frost, not hot, that'll do. It's not like there's much you can *do* about it even if it is overly humid, etc.

      ""Hey don't hold the door open kid!" for my son when it detects the door has been sitting there open for 2 minutes."

      Educate your son. Get a modern fridge that has a timer with beep-warning. Fit one of those 50p reed-switch sensors you can get to protect doors and windows and set it to a 10 second timer. None of it will stop your son doing that (in fact, for the first few months, he'll do it deliberately to make it talk to him!).

      "A passworded door lock so your kids don't try to climb in playing "hide and seek" or try to take a beer out when you go outside for 2 minutes."

      You need to supervise your kids better. If they're really that much trouble, a 50p child lock on the fridge will tend to take care of them (higher the better). Don't buy fridges that lock their doors (silly American idea? I don't know but ours are just magnetic catches and they work just fine - even my 2-year-old can open it). And if your kids are stealing your beer, that's not a problem that a gadget on a fridge should be solving.

      "Any other cool ideas?"

      Yeah, stop over-thinking a household appliance. Yes I *can* connect my toaster to the Internet. There's not a single practical reason why I would ever want to and all the good reasons are actually better done by other methods (and almost infinitely cheaper).

      To quote XKCD: God, I'd like to file a bug report....

    2. Re:Possible uses... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      I just want to know if it has an RJ45-connector. :-)

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    3. Re:Possible uses... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      I guess I mean socket.

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    4. Re:Possible uses... by Alarindris · · Score: 0, Troll

      Woah, someone didn't get take their nap today.

    5. Re:Possible uses... by IronSight · · Score: 1

      Those are some good points there. And I'm not saying my kids are jumping into refridgerators or stealing beer, or standing in front of the fridge for an hour, but I am just trying to think of practical uses for such a thing on a fridge. They aren't great examples I know, but it was more of an attempt to make people really think of what real use in the kitchen would a computerized fridge really be. Personally I have an older fridge that came with the apartment, that I wish the landlord would replace for a more energy efficient one to save a little on the power bill and I would be happy.

    6. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wanna have to keep running to the fridge to read the next line of the recipe? Need to keep updating those recipes every week or so? Much simpler to print them out from the net, buy a recipe book and / or buy a cheap device that can display PDF. Not to mention having to buy the damn recipes in the first place.

      Well... actually, I use a netbook for all my recipe needs in the kitchen. Much easier than getting the book out, looking for the specific recipe, etc.
      Additionally I can cross-reference multiple recipes and check which one suits my own tastes best by simply opening multiple tabs in my browser, instead of littering the (rather constrained) work area in my kitchen with multiple recipe books...

    7. Re:Possible uses... by profplump · · Score: 1

      Apparently it's inconcievable in your world for your fridge to scan the UPC to determine the content of the container and assume a typical expiry period based on the product type and an assumption that the first time it is scanned is within the first day or three of the product's life.

      As for tracking, things with UPCs could be easily tracked with no modification of user behavior. Even things that lose their UPC with use could be tracked -- cheese is scanned when first put into fridge with intact UPC. Cheese is removed, item with no UPC but with similar but slightly less weight and size is replaced in the next couple of minutes, assume it's the same item even without a scan unless there's conflicting data. And the inventory system doesn't need to be 100% accurate to be useful -- as long as you're aware that it can only reliably track things with UPCs you will know to only ask it about such things.

      Your lack of imagination also shows in control automation. There are lots of things you could do to automatically optimize energy usage/etc. well beyond what it possible with a passive feedback loop without any manual intervention on the part of the user. You could also provide a degree of control to someone who is interested in managing your fridge -- the power company for example. You might let them adjust your regulation setpoint up a few degrees on high-load days in exchange for a better energy rate. Or they could lower the setpoint a few degrees overnight when more energy is available in preparation of an expected high-usage day -- having a lower morning temperature means you fridge would run less during the day. Or if you're running on solar or battery or some other limited-power system you could have the fridge coordinate with other appliances to ensure your instantanious load is not too high without the need to manually coordinate all the different devices in your home.

      It's frankly absurd to extend your viewpoint to "all reasonable people" just because you can't be bothered to imagine uses for products beyond your traditional experience. People had exactly the same arguments against cars and electricity -- they couldn't immediately understand how it would fit into their existing lifestyle, so they dismissed it as useless and impractical technology of the sake of technology. Don't be that guy. Particularly not in writing on a technology forum.

      We don't need networked kitchen appliances. But we don't need trains either. That doesn't mean there's no practical use for them.

    8. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, you can always get a 50p dumbass opinion on slashdot.

    9. Re:Possible uses... by Arlet · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a lot of work, even when it works perfectly. I just scan articles with my nose whenever I doubt the freshness.

    10. Re:Possible uses... by callmebill · · Score: 0

      It has an OJ-45 connector.

    11. Re:Possible uses... by ledow · · Score: 1

      I disagree with almost everything in that post.

      I didn't say the UPC thing *can't* be done. I said it *wouldn't* be done as a matter of course or be accurate enough to rely on. You're still gonna have to check if you have cheese before you go to the shops. And the plain assumption of an expiry date is actually pretty much a lawsuit waiting to happen so you won't see that, or it'll be a build-it-yourself thing.

      Optimising energy usage? I agree you could do a lot. But then cutting out the display would probably save more energy use over the product's lifetime (even just manufacture!) than would be saved in an average household versus, say, a simple thermostat or interface-less embedded device. If you wanted to save energy, there's also little point in buying probably the world's most expensive household fridge in order to do so.

      The energy company controlling my power? No thanks. That's just the sort of automation that I'm against. And why would a company based entirely on profit from selling you energy want to turn your fridge off (and risk lawsuits as soon as such things because popular because of accidental errors in such commands) when they could just charge you more? The infrastructure and legal system for this does not exist in anything but a lab yet, so it's pie-in-the-sky until it does. Plus, when they make a mistake, you can be sure that I don't want to have a lawsuit over who froze my quiche or let my ice cream melt.

      And people didn't have the same arguments against cars or electricity. Both were labour-saving devices where the only big controversies were potential safety issues (e.g. speed / electrocution), at least one of which was driven by the arguments between the two main introducers of electricity (Is DC or AC "safer"? Let's electrocute an elephant!). Nobody was burning electrical plugs at the stake and saying we should all stick to candles (but I'm sure the atmosphere would be comparatively cleaner if we had!). We don't need networked kitchen appliances, but we do need kitchen appliances. We *do* need trains. Hell, my workplace is 50 miles from my house and I either "need" trains or cars to do it (you could run it or cycle it but it would entirely impractical to work that far away then), so I "need" trains in order to provide adequate assurance. Picking random examples of successful technologies and claiming everyone argued against them on the same basis is a pretty poor argument, especially when it's not true. You could probably have brought up the Internet and been a thousand times closer to a successful analogy. But we don't "need" driverless trains, to pick up on your examples and make them more relevant - the Docklands Light Railway in London has no better or worse an accident / incident / delay rate than any other London Underground line and has zero human control on the train. What did they use for the Overground lines that they built years afterwards? Human driven trains.

      This is an unnecessary tech, mostly because all the elements it consists of already exist in much simpler, cheaper fashion. Someone's conjoined several general-purpose devices into one single-purpose, locked-down device that doesn't actually provide any advantages that the average people would use (except for gimmick value the first few times) and slapped a large pricetag on it. It's the phone-that's-also-a-calculator-and-stopwatch of the fridge world - chances are nobody would ever use that device for those facilities and/or would be better off buying simpler items instead.

      This isn't an "invention" either - it's basically a conglomeration of several decades-old inventions into one device You could probably patent a couple of the ideas but it's basically a "fridge with a computer in it". It's not electricity or even the invention of a mobile phone itself. It's just a fridge with a computer in place of the screen that you get on some high-end fridges (and have for years). Next up, a wardrobe with an electronic lock.

      I'm very forward-looking and whenever I lo

    12. Re:Possible uses... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      Don't buy fridges that lock their doors (silly American idea? I don't know but ours are just magnetic catches and they work just fine - even my 2-year-old can open it).

      Try every refrigerator before 1956 when the American Congress passed the Refrigerator Safety Act. Of course, to be fair in-home refrigerators did start here, so we should be responsible for fixing them up, even though I'm sure a locking door was good enough for your grandparents and they didn't need some new-fangled magnetic gasket, by golly.

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    13. Re:Possible uses... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Hey this guy with a bitchin' beard ran up to me and said he needs your help raising a barn, might want to see what that was about.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    14. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So you want to sit and enter a date for every item you ever put into your fridge? As far as I know, no barcode contains data about expiry dates. If you did, you'd need
      > one on every product. Then you (and your kids) would need to scan everything in and out in order for it to be anywhere near accurate. I'd predict about a month before
      > you got bored and never used that facility ever again, or before you got tired of starting to cook and then realising your son ate your cheese without scanning it out.

      RFID

    15. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want to sit and enter a date for every item you ever put into your fridge? As far as I know, no barcode contains data about expiry dates. If you did, you'd need one on every product. Then you (and your kids) would need to scan everything in and out in order for it to be anywhere near accurate.

      Or you use RFID and let it happen automatically.

      You could then have your tablet computer, running the "How to Cook Everything" or "Cook's Illustrated" apps query the fridge (and your pantry/cupboards) to see which ingredients you have. Whatever you don't have is generated into a shopping list, which is incorporated into your TODO list or can be e-mailed to your SO for them to pick up on their way home.

      As you purchase and throw things out, the price of each is reconciled against your receipts by Quicken or other financial program, and you have a running cash flow analysis on how much you're spending on food to help with your finances. By saving the recipe you use on each day in your calendar, you can incorporate that with your GPS jogging watching data to see how many calories you're burning to help you lose weight and get in shape for the charity half-marathon you signed up for. Optionally you can send this data to your doctor / dietian to help them keep track in reducing your hypertension.

      Of course all of this is optional, and you can just buy a "regular" fridge if you don't want to use your imagination.

    16. Re:Possible uses... by ledow · · Score: 1

      Does the regular fridge come with the cash equivalent of the various subscriptions, packages and price increases involved in your rendition of putting some cheese in my fridge and writing down my weekly shop on a Post-it? Does it not involve my doctor having any insight at all into my private life other than what I tell them? Cool. Sign me up, if so. One regular fridge and a stackful of cash to buy stuff with.

      Though I like the emailing of the SO to get stuff for you, it's easier just to let her do all that herself.

    17. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No silly, you just have a barcode scanner on the fridge.

      You buy groceries, tell the fridge you are in 'loading mode' scan the items as they go in.

      Then when you are in 'check mode' you can scan the item again and it will tell you when you put it in the fridge. Obviously wont work for things where you get them often (if you buy milk before you run out for instance), but still would be great for that container of whatever that got pushed to the back of the fridge/freezer.

    18. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Well, it would be cool to have a list of contents with the date they were put in so you can keep track of things that need to be thrown out (useful for foodservice industry to keep only fresh foods on hand)."

      So you want to sit and enter a date for every item you ever put into your fridge? As far as I know, no barcode contains data about expiry dates. If you did, you'd need one on every product.

      And this is what RFID tags on food packaging would be good for. The tags can encode the expiration date of the perishable foodstuff. Read the whole fridge once an hour, and when something is past its date, pop up a warning.

    19. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This could actually be useful for notifications of foods freshness.

      Just last week we noticed that the temperature was getting warmer in our fridge and couldn't see why. Adjusting the thermostat cooled made icing on the inner walls but strangely the food was not getting any cooler.
      Turned out that the light in the fridge did not turn off due to the door being 3mm skewed (had to do some hard hack leveling on that one) so the bulb actually got hotter and hotter and the fridge tried to compensate for it.

      This linux driven screen could have warned me about it saving me $100 worth of food replacements.

    20. Re:Possible uses... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Is this needed? No we have lived without it for a long time.
      Could this be useful?
      I think so. I would add wifi to it so it could sync with my smart phone and other systems but yes it could be useful.
      Think of the other uses that a modern fridge is used for.
      With a good screen and interface it could.
      1. Sync with your calendar. Most friges I know have a calendar on them.
      2. Used to display notes.
      3. Keep track of your shopping list. Yes you could scan the milk when you are getting low or maybe use a voice interface to add. Get milk to your shopping list.
      4. Streaming media player
      5. YAC Yet another clock.
      6. Weather widget.
      7, Digital picture frame.
      8. Interface to smart home.

      Yes every task can be done in other ways but that is also true about MP3 players, smart phones, and even PCs. We all lived just fine without those things.
      Take the notes for example. You could check them with your smart phone or PC and or update them.
      Or the shopping list. Maybe you get off a bit early so you decide to go to the store but you left you list on the fridge. With this you can get it with your smart phone.
      Same thing with the calendar and so on. Required? No. Useful? maybe.

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    21. Re:Possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes I *can* connect my toaster to the Internet."

      From the rest of your post, I seriously doubt that is a true statement.

      -- Every time you hate on technology for being new, a lolcat gets posted.

  15. But does it run Linux... by definate · · Score: 1

    But does it run Lin.... oh it does? Carry on then.

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    1. Re:But does it run Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it runs linux, but it ran netbsd at least 5 years before anyone knew it was going to be made :-p

  16. *yawn* by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    So what? Over a decade ago we had washing machines and fridges whose GUI was written in Java.

    1. Re:*yawn* by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      Now the two machines can communicate and provide useful feedback.

      Washing machine: I'm sensing higher than normal levels of nitrates
      Refrigerator: This may be related to the recent purchase of bacon
      Scale: User's weight not significantly changed in last 2 weeks
      Refrigerator: Bacon is most likely culprit
      Cashier: I'm sorry, sir. Your credit card has disallowed the purchase of bacon, hot dogs, and Spam. It suggests bottled water and cranberry juice.

      Automatic update to your medical records could work too.

    2. Re:*yawn* by Lennie · · Score: 1

      But this has effects from Enlightenment, which makes it so much better. :-)

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    3. Re:*yawn* by Haedrian · · Score: 1

      AKA "The little light in the fridge that goes on when you open the door"

    4. Re:*yawn* by asvravi · · Score: 1

      Over two decades ago I had a fridge whose internals had Coffee.

  17. Security updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean that I have to download regular security updates for my fridge?

  18. Just watch this... by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    It'll get pwn3d soon enough, and some poor sod will wonder why he suddenly has 200 kilos of sardines in his fridge....

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    C|N>K
  19. Dialing it in by RenHoek · · Score: 3, Funny

    *ring ring*
    "Yes hello?"
    "Excuse me, is your fridge running?"
    "Yes, it has an uptime of over 3 months now."
    "..."
    *click*

    I think I'm doing something wrong here..

  20. Most likely not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, you're hoping you'll strike it rich?

  21. Pictures! by jovetoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can find pictures here... http://www.electrolux.com.br/ikitchen_ra/

    1. Re:Pictures! by IronSight · · Score: 1

      Very cool looking. A part of the ikitchen, wonder if Apple is going to hop on them for that name?

    2. Re:Pictures! by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      If it becomes any sort of successful, with both feet I'm sure.

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    3. Re:Pictures! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then take a patent out on the fridge design, and sue Electrolux for looking like an iFridge.

  22. Re:Possible use: cold war by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    Shall we play a game?

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  23. GNU/Linux and Enlightenment Running On a Fridge by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 1

    Cool!

  24. Good thing it runs enlightenment by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

    If it had KDE, you'd need a 3GHz i7 and a NVidia GTX480 just to open the fridge in less than a minute.

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    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:Good thing it runs enlightenment by JamesP · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if it was Gnome there wouldn't be a 'getting cold' functionality as it's for 'advanced users only'

      *ducks*

      --
      how long until /. fixes commenting on Chrome?
  25. "The Cramps" . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    It's amazing how Slashdot can give me an oblique reference to a song, that no folks on Slashdot are old enough to have heard:

    The Cramps Tv set Lyrics:

    oh baby i see you on my tv set yeah baby i see you on my tv set i cut your head off and put it in my tv set

    i use your eyeballs for dials on my tv set

    i watch tv i watch tv

    since i put you in my tv set

    oh baby i hear you on my radio yeah baby i hear you on my radio you know i flip flip flip for my radio you're going drip drip drip on my radio am radio pm radio since i tuned you inside my radio... like this!

    oh baby i see you in my frigidaire yeah baby i see you in my frigidaire behind the mayonnaise, way in the back i'm gonna see you tonight for a midnight snack but though

    it's cold you won't get old 'cause you're well preserved in my frigidaire yahhhhhhh.

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  26. Big question by harris+s+newman · · Score: 1

    I went to the site but couldn't find the source code. Where is the source code?

    1. Re:Big question by ledow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just trolling?

      Source code for anything GPL isn't required to be given to anyone other than those who have a product containing it. If you bought a fridge, then you are entitled to the source to it. Seeing as I don't think they are even on sale yet, it'd be difficult for you to obtain the source code you desire. Even then, it'll only be an ARM linux kernel with some desktop widgets and a closed-source application for doing anything interesting - it's a bit pointless to even *ask* for it, to be honest. TomTom do the same - but they are generous enough to post the source for *anyone* to download, which they aren't required to do - and it's basically an ARM kernel and some open-source projects. Nothing vaguely interesting that we don't already have because that's all contained in a closed-source app that actually does the things like read maps and draw them.

    2. Re:Big question by k-s · · Score: 1

      Should be in their website (electrolux.com.br) when the product hits the streets. Even the source code for BSD components will be there.

    3. Re:Big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was just trolling. E17 is licensed under BSD.

  27. But does it run... by eggman9713 · · Score: 1

    But does it run....oh wait. Never mind.

  28. Interesting, but... by Zedrick · · Score: 3, Funny

    How does price/performance compare to a toaster running NetBSD?

    1. Re:Interesting, but... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      It's getting warm.

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  29. useful by tjk94943 · · Score: 0

    Thank you for sharing this. It was a very useful technique, in my günstig online, you can use it freely

  30. All of this... by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

    ... and yet, the clock probably still looses time when the power fails

    1. Re:All of this... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      and yet, the clock probably still looses time when the power fails

      If you loose your money you're unwise. If you lose your money you're unlucky.

    2. Re:All of this... by silverglade00 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but once the power is restored, ntpd will fix the time for ya.

    3. Re:All of this... by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      English isn't my native tongue

    4. Re:All of this... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Then, you're welcome!

  31. How about some real news on Enlightenment ... by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... like 'Enlightenment 17 Final released'.

    After all, it's only been in development for, what, 9 years or so?
    That better be one helluva desktop enviroment when they declare final release. :-)

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:How about some real news on Enlightenment ... by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is and has been for a long time, download it and give it a try. Features such as being able to get into the desktop menus from anywhere on the desktop instead of only a "start" menu are useful. Even 0.16 which I use at work and hasn't had much but bugfixes since about 2000 is very impressive. It had little thumbnail pictures of app windows for icons just like win7 only back before slashdot existed.

    2. Re:How about some real news on Enlightenment ... by nu1x · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, if you're using anything like debian unstable, you can apt-get the 16.999 build, which is pretty stable, despite some really annoying bugs and quirks, and shows off the capabilities pretty well.

      --
      I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
  32. question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is cpu cooled?

  33. the Infinity I-Kitchen provides the user by wiredog · · Score: 1

    with unparalleled control over his refrigerator,

    How much control does a fridge need?

    1. Re:the Infinity I-Kitchen provides the user by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      with unparalleled control over his refrigerator,

      How much control does a fridge need?

      Only serial control. You don't need parallel control, therefore they only support unparalleled support.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  34. Sounds like a fridge from outer space to me by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 1

    "The Freescale i.MX25 based fridge by Electrolux (Frigidaire) provides the expected bits such as temperature controls and pre-set modes (vacation, party)"
    Expected bits? Preset modes? Pardon? Submitter must be from an altogether other planet where all the fridges hum cheerfull songs and do your groceries for you. My fridges, on the other hand, comes with a knob that reads 1-5 and controls the temperature. When I go on a long vacation, I pull the plug and jam the door with a stone so it won't stink when I return.

    " as well as a special purpose drawer that cools your drinks and food with a beautiful UI."
    I knew enlightenment was cool, but I now realise this is not only in a figure of speech kind of way. Frightening! Will it 'cool' my processor too?

    "It also ships with handful applications for contacts, calendar, reminder, digital picture frame and even an illustrated recipe book from a famous Brazilian magazine."
    Nifty! Nice recipes in Brazilian Portugese!

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    "The chances of a demonic possession spreading are remote -- relax."
  35. Photos/blurb of fridge by SirGarlon · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://profusion.mobi/first_product_of_profusion_and_electrolux_partnership This fridge looks bigger than my car. Clearly it is a high-end "prestige" product. I think it is a bit silly myself, but whatever.

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    [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
  36. slashvertisment by tenco · · Score: 1

    tagging's borken

  37. Frigid by iamamoose · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nice pic of the GUI on Flickr

    Looks like this appliance can do more than cool your food (see top left of image)

    1. Re:Frigid by slashdime · · Score: 1

      Why does it say SEX on the upper left hand corner? *Busts out the credit card*

    2. Re:Frigid by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      It's got "sex" written in the upper-left corner on the pic you linked. WTH? And no, I'm not even going to try to Google for what sex means in Portuguese while I'm at work...

    3. Re:Frigid by asr_br · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why does it say SEX on the upper left hand corner? *Busts out the credit card*

      It's a callendar application and "Sex" comes from "Sexta-feira", which translated to English would be "Friday". In other words, whenever you use "Fri" in your callendar, we use "Sex". :P That said, as a Brazilian, I never, ever, had noticed that or associated our Friday with sex. :-)

    4. Re:Frigid by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      It means six. In this context it's relating to the sixth day of the week, i.e. Friday.

  38. Free as in Beer? by mlush · · Score: 1

    Does that mean it contains free beer??

  39. This matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux has been around for over a decade. It can do a lot of stuff really well. This is not news. Getting drivers in order, now that's news. Or, would be.

  40. Obligatory xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://xkcd.com/824

    Could you help me building this sandwich for me? I ran "./configure --no-mayo; make; " several times but it's returning errors. Hams and cheeses are stacking up... oh, wait, I think I can eat them with fork() with no problem.

  41. GNU/MIT/BSD/Apache/Linux by samkass · · Score: 0

    Linux, the GNU userland and Enlightenment and its foundation libraries (EFL) are known for their resource efficiency and flexibility

    This article seems to go out of its way to give GNU undue credit for the Linux environment... can we stop with the blatant GNU plugs and just talk about the technology? Unless you want to start calling Linux "GNU/MIT/BSD/Apache/Linux", let's just stick to the technology.

    --
    E pluribus unum
  42. Apps by kbdd · · Score: 1

    Does the fridge have an app store? I would not want of a fridge that does not have one...

  43. I for one, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome our chilly overlords.

  44. where's the old standby comment by si3n4 · · Score: 1

    okay , I carefully read all the posts and am deeply disappointed - not one comment about needing network connections so someone can get a bunch of these and build a Beowulf cluster. Missing the old Slashdot standby comment. Clearly the next step is to put biological sensors in the fridge to tell you when the spore count is spiking and identify the most probable substrate.

  45. When linux will be installed in the whole kitchen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just remember to add

    cat milk eggs flour > /dev/pancake

    to your crontab, to have your breakfast ready in due time.

  46. My Lawn Mower Runs MS Windows ... by srobert · · Score: 1

    ... It stops for now reason and needs frequent rebooting.

    1. Re:My Lawn Mower Runs MS Windows ... by srobert · · Score: 1

      now = no

  47. Age old questions... by s0litaire · · Score: 1

    ...does en'light'enment stay on when the doors closed? ...does the CPU use the fridge's cooling or does it have its own? ...do you have to use sudo when you go for 'Root beer'?

    --
    Laters Sol "Have you found the secrets of the universe? Asked Zebade "I'm sure I left them here somewhere"
  48. GNU? On a fridge? by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

    How much of the "userland" experience has anything at all to do with GNU? Other than the GPL, are there any GNU utilities that are used in the day-to-day operation of this system?

    Really, on a command-line GNU utilities are common; but in the GUI, most GNU utilities go completely unused. Especially with a custom GUI like this.

    --
    Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
    The purpose of that site was not known.
  49. Re:GNU? On a fridge? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

    How much of the "userland" experience has anything at all to do with GNU? Other than the GPL, are there any GNU utilities that are used in the day-to-day operation of this system?

    Really, on a command-line GNU utilities are common; but in the GUI, most GNU utilities go completely unused. Especially with a custom GUI like this.

    Perhaps, in this context, "user" in "userland" means "running in user mode rather than kernel mode", rather than "directly run by the end user". Think GNU libc, not GNU grep.

  50. Dear nya-nyah Slashdot crtitics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure you don't think anybody will need one. So stop thinking of it as a refrigerator with an overthought piece of gee whiz gadgetry.

    Think of it as a water-cooled, 24/7 uptime always-on touchscreen computer that you can keep humming in the kitchen

  51. Not older than Slashdot. by Xenex · · Score: 1

    "Even 0.16 which I use at work and hasn't had much but bugfixes since about 2000 is very impressive. It had little thumbnail pictures of app windows for icons just like win7 only back before slashdot existed."

    Slashdot has been around longer than E16. For instance, here's the Enlightenment 0.15 announcement.

    It's amusing that nowadays E is considered lightweight, but back in that thread from 1999 people were complaining about its performance.

  52. Parsing problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Yes, but E has had those little icons I was talking about longer than this site has existed. Rob Malda used to have an enlightenment themes site and a cool application called eplus before slashdot.
    The default theme for enlightenment back then had all of the features turned on to show it off - different backgrounds on each desktop, animations, transparancy etc. That made it use more memory than the default for other window managers. With a fairly lightweight theme I was using it on a pentium 60 without much memory and a crappy video card.
    Now the default has less "bling" so uses less memory.

  53. Gitesh by Gitesh · · Score: 1

    With that much cooling behind it, you'd think they could go with a faster processor.

    1. Re:Gitesh by gbl08ma · · Score: 1

      ...so it could cool things faster, yeah...
      You can always overclock the CPU and then put it in the fridge... oh, wait...

      --
      http://gbl08ma.com
  54. Version 1 is indeed coming !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fear not. Version 1 is coming.

    EFL is in Beta 2 now.

    http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&newsid=25