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Curious NASA Pre-Announcement

CrtxReavr was one of a small avalanche of readers to let us know about a press conference NASA scheduled for Thursday at 2pm to discuss an "astrobiology finding that will impact the search for evidence of extraterrestrial life." I've heard rumors ranging from "proof of life on Titan" to "first contact," depending on how optimistic/crazy you are.

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  1. Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Methinks you might want to expand your range at the bottom a bit. I suspect it will be something along the lines of "We've discovered evidence that some precursor to life may have been present on this extraterrestrial body--or may not, depending heavily on your interpretation of some very ambiguous data."

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    1. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by geegel · · Score: 4, Funny

      You just had to ruin it, didn't you?

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    2. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      Way to blow your shot at FR1ST CN0TACT post. Nice going.

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    3. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Informative

      It probably has to do with the recent discovery of oxygen on Saturn's moon Rhea.

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    4. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by durrr · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's the classic, "amino acid X found in space", that comet they swooshed by recently would be a good target for announcing "amino acid y found on comet".

      Then again it's too classic, so it definitely have to be MASS RELAY FOUND IN PLUTONIAN ORBIT!

    5. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by F34nor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am hoping for a GCU so I can get my god damn drug glands.

    6. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "NASA finds extraterrestrials...Little Grey Men With Probes," Says Slashdot Poster RsG!

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    7. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by durrr · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am hoping for a GCU so I can have sex with a spaceship.

    8. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...no, this does not mean little grey men with probes.

      You mean, the TSA? (Sorry, I just couldn't resist the opportunity!)

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    9. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by UID30 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meh. CommanderTaco made first contact with Uranus years ago. BAZINGA!

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    10. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not unlike like the whole Apple/Beatles thing. What was so disappointing about that?

      If you didn't already have better copies of the Beatles music before it was available in the iTunes store, and wanted a few obscure tracks that weren't available on any of the "hits" collections, then maybe that was an exciting announcement.

      But, based on the sales figures, it looks like converting your own CDs to MP3 for your music player isn't as easy as I thought it was, as millions of people in the US wanted Beatles music but had been waiting 20+ years for somebody to convert the files for them.

    11. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by Nocuous · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ooh! Ooh! If it's a GCU I hope it's Gray Area (aka Meatfucker).

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    12. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by Sulphur · · Score: 3, Funny

      My guess is that it's more like "We are the extra terrestrials. Pay no attention to wikileaks."

      Just wait till Wikileaks dumps extra terrestrials data.

    13. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by pz · · Score: 4, Informative

      It probably has to do with the recent discovery of oxygen on saturn's moon Rhea.

      Doubtful, for two reasons: (a) that has already been announced, and (b) the oxygen there has a plausible nonbiological origin (energetic particles in Saturn's magnetic field interacting with water ice on the surface).

      The smart money says this press announcement will be disappointing to most people. Not unlike like the whole Apple/Beatles thing.

      Extra doubtful that it's about Rhea because Carolyn Porco, the head of the Cassini project, isn't on the list of participants.

      Doing a few minutes' worth of work in Google comes to the following information about the listed participants in the press conference:

      Mary Voytek -- director, NASA Astrobiology program
      Felisa Wolfe-Simon -- evolutionary biology including metallic enzymes, specifically the potential role of arsenic in DNA
      Pamela Conrad -- biogeochemistry and organic chemical signatures of extremophiles
      Steven Benner -- geobiology of RNA, including detection of DNA and RNA
      James Elser -- the influence of nitrogen and phosphorus in biological processes including ecosystems, speciation and RNA

      Since the announcement of the press conference says that the finding will impact the "search for evidence of extraterrestrial life," chances are they've found some potential signature of a metabolic process. Notwithstanding what I said above about Carolyn Porco, Cassini flew within 100 km of Rhea earlier this year (March) to "determine what is coming off Rhea" according to NASA's site on the flyby. The timing (March to December) fits well with the amount of time it takes to do data analysis, write a paper, and have it accepted for publication for something that gets fast-tracked. Science is published on Fridays. Nature is published on Thursdays. It would seem like the paper is going to appear in Nature no matter what the exact announcement is.
       

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    14. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since the announcement of the press conference says that the finding will impact the "search for evidence of extraterrestrial life," chances are they've found some potential signature of a metabolic process.

      Hmmm... taking what you said about the lack of the Cassini project lead to heart, and noting a lack of anyone attached to any particular observatory project in that list... Is it possible that the announcement won't actually be about a particular astronomical observation at all?

      Could it be that these scientists have discovered a plausible biological reaction which could take place in different extraterrestrial environments that simply gives them something new to look for in the future? That would count as an astrobiological finding, and would certainly impact the search for evidence of life.

      But would be liable to be even more disappointing to many people. :)

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    15. Re:Ranging from proof of life to first contact? by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Informative

      The version on iTunes are MP3s made from the 24-bit, 44KHz remaster from last year. Like every remaster for the past 15 years or so, it has dynamic range compression applied.

      This results in several things:

      • People notice sounds they never heard before, because the quiet parts of the songs are now 3-8dB louder than before. Almost every review comments on being able to hear things they couldn't before. In general, you will never hear anything "new" in a remaster that uses the same master tapes (as this one did) that you couldn't have heard before by turning up the volume.
      • The relative loudness of songs on the same album is messed up. For example, on Sgt. Pepper, "Fixing a Hole" now has peaks about 3-4dB louder than before, while other songs have peaks where they have always been. This is because of the "Loudness War" mentioned in another post. Despite the fact that it's supposed to be a quiet song, quiet songs are now "bad". "Blackbird" from the White Album suffers a similar fate.
      • Sounds that are supposed to be "big" just don't feel that way. For example, the hammer "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" doesn't stand out as much...it doesn't have as much impact, because it's not as much louder than the rest of the song as it should be. The classic example for this is Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight". Compressed on radio or the latest CD releases, the drum solo has very little impact.
  2. Mmmmm. Seafood. by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Funny

    If there is life swimming in a big ocean under the ice of Europa, the question becomes: how does it taste?

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    1. Re:Mmmmm. Seafood. by Americano · · Score: 2, Funny

      It tastes the same as anything else: like chicken.

    2. Re:Mmmmm. Seafood. by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      It tastes Europaean.

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    3. Re:Mmmmm. Seafood. by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Funny

      These days, even chicken doesn't taste like chicken.

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    4. Re:Mmmmm. Seafood. by Americano · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure it does. You just have to adjust your expectations for what chicken tastes like.

    5. Re:Mmmmm. Seafood. by krou · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's the matter Colonel Sanders? Chicken?

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    6. Re:Mmmmm. Seafood. by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      African or Europaean swallow?

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  3. they found that the astrobiology budget was cut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they found that the astrobiology budget was cut

    1. Re:they found that the astrobiology budget was cut by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      This does meet all the criteria.

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  4. Titan seems plausible by bl8n8r · · Score: 5, Informative

    "NASA believes it has found vital clues that alien life does indeed exist on Titan, "
    http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978743812

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  5. Did they find the ancient gene? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did they find the ancient gene?

    1. Re:Did they find the ancient gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please leave KISS out of this.

  6. It's smoke and mirrors by drumcat · · Score: 3, Funny

    They want you talking about aliens instead of TSA Gate Rape and Wikileaks. Simple as that.

  7. ya? by nege · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am totally jaded. When I see something like this I read it as "NASA calls press conference to remind government and people they are still here and need money, because what they do is really, really cool". Of course, I agree too, but I would be surprised if there was really any kind of life found. Prove me wrong NASA! I, for one, would welcome our new alien-insect overlords!

    1. Re:ya? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NASA Administrator: We're putting a man on Mars!
      Reporter: When?
      NASA Administrator: 2055!
      Reporter: Long after your administration is gone and no longer around to be held accountable for any long-forgotten promises?
      NASA Administrator Yep!
      Reporter: What if 2055 comes along and we're no closer then to Mars than now?
      NASA Administrator: Well, you'll have to ask the NASA administrator about it then.
      Reporter: What if you're still alive and we ask you?
      NASA Administrator: I'll blame him.
      Reporter: Do you have anything to offer besides vague promises today?
      NASA Administrator: I have this cool animation.
      Reporter: Ooh, pretty.
      NASA Administrator: In conclusion, keep giving us money.

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    2. Re:ya? by tsm_sf · · Score: 2

      Who cares about the piddly amounts drained by NASA when we've got the cavernous sinkhole of our military sucking up every available resource.

      Fuck, just make NASA a branch of the military and you assholes will salute every wheelbarrow of cash that trundles past.

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  8. Amazing news by Quato · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of the NASA guys got laid!

    1. Re:Amazing news by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

      NASA astronomer finds extramarital life

    2. Re:Amazing news by LoudMusic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is a film I don't want to see at 11.

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    3. Re:Amazing news by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      "...explore strange new worlds"

  9. Oh, I know by bhcompy · · Score: 3, Funny

    They found Jita, but their probe got ganked trying to dock with the docking station. $300m in PLEX were lost

  10. My guess by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Spectroscopy showing a celestial body (or bodies) is in a state of chemical disequilibrium considered to be suggestive of life.

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  11. Frungy Frungy Frungy by Caerdwyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    They found Fwiffo on Pluto.

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  12. Re:Taking a page from Apple? by Zocalo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh yeah, because that's one sure fire way of getting along with the stellar neighbours. Send them some "free" music today then, in a few weeks time, the RIAA sends in the lawyers and all their base belong to us...

    Um, 3 - profit???

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  13. Just idle speculation by Snowblindeye · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's funny how quick idle speculation turns into news. Apparently it all started with this blog post.

    He's now updated his post with a tweet from someone at Nasa that the press conference is not about proof of life:

    I'm sad to quell some of the @kottke-induced excitement about possible extraterrestrial life. I've seen the Science paper. It's not that

  14. Please please please by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please let it be a black monolith on the moon. We're only nine years late.

  15. Re:Taking a page from Apple? by zenjah · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps the Beatles will finally be available on the International Space Station?

  16. Maybe Titan...Maybe Earth's Shadow Biosphere. by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some word out on the web, including NASA funded astrobiology teams (there are fourteen), seem to indicate the possibility of them finding something strange here on Mother Earth, probably something in or around Mono Lake according to some people and its arsenic based life forms. Since the major announcement last June by NASA concerning 'Titan and the Case of the Missing Hydrogen'. In fact one of the ladies on the panel this Thursday is in fact the researcher who is studying possible arsenic based life forms in Mono Lake. I'd say that she found something. One thing for certain, with the embargo we won't know for sure until Thursday. :)

    1. Re:Maybe Titan...Maybe Earth's Shadow Biosphere. by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think we have a winner here. The article you linked mentions that she expects to see results over the next several months and was written slightly more than a year ago. That gives enough time to get results, tweak the experiment, analyze the results, even completely re-run the experiment if you think the results are ground breaking enough. The time span seems right, the other speakers are in related fields, it has direct influence on astrobiology. Specifically, it makes Titan a very interesting place to start looking for microbial, extra-terrestrial life.

  17. Fresh frozen waterworld food. by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I only deal with meta-chicken. Not a metaphor, but instead, meta-fried.

    Once, there was a murder of crows who were harassing some horses in the paddock near my barn. I yelled at them, told them that corral-ation wasn't caws-ation, but apparently they thought I was simply winging it.

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    And Windows is forking not.

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    If you need your code
    To go down both roads
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    Then Linux is better
    The one to get her
    Forking day and night

    Fork, fork, fork, fork
    Fork, fork, fork, fork
    Forkety-fork
    Fork-fork-fork.

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  18. WikiLeaks? by Scratch+McGoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a sneaking suspicion that this newly scheduled announcement is in some way related to the latest WikiLeaks release. Is NASA trying to get ahead of some potential situation with this announcement?

  19. Documents by spitzak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not only alien life, they have a trove of hundreds of thousands of documents from the alien government! Describing advanced graft and corruption abilities that are centuries beyond our own!

  20. A few clues.... by TomRC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you look at the list of participants, it may provide a clue:

    Participants are:
    - Mary Voytek, director, Astrobiology Program, NASA Headquarters, Washington
    - Felisa Wolfe-Simon, NASA astrobiology research fellow, U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, Calif.
    - Pamela Conrad, astrobiologist, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
    - Steven Benner, distinguished fellow, Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution, Gainesville, Fla.
    - James Elser, professor, Arizona State University, Tempe

    If you follow up the connection of James Elser to NASA, it turns out to be a project called "Follow the Elements"

    http://astrobiology.asu.edu/Astrobiology/Home/Home.html

    So I'm guessing that they've found certain exo-planets in the Goldilocks zone that have the right balance of precursor elements/molecules for life.

  21. Dr Felisa Wolfe-Simon's work. by anzha · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the individuals in the scheduled press announcement has a website and based on her work my bet is that they may have found some indications that there is life on earth that uses arsenic instead of phosphorus.

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  22. I wonder if it's big enough to. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if this will be big enough news to distract people from the scandals arising from the Wikileaks thing.

    Also, look for Octo-Moms to lead police on high-speed chases in Black SUVs over the coming days. Down a well.

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