Why We Shouldn't Begrudge Commercial Open Source Companies

Thinkcloud writes with a followup to recent news that Mozilla is once again looking into a do-not-track mechanism after having previously killed a similar tool, allegedly under pressure from advertisers. Canonical COO Matt Asay wrote in The Register that this is not necessarily the case, nor is Mozilla's decision necessarily the wrong one. "It's quite possible — indeed, probable — that the best way for Mozilla to fulfill its mission is precisely to limit the openness of the web. At least a bit. Why? Because end-users aren't the only ones with rights and needs online, a point Luis Villa elegantly made years ago. It's not a one-way, free-for-all for end-users. Advertisers, developers and enterprises who employ end-users among others all factor into Mozilla's freedom calculus. Or should." OStatic adds commentary that "Like it or not, commercial open source companies are still companies, and the economics of the online world have everything to do with their present and their future.

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Companies have rights?

[Anonymous Coward]

Companies do not have rights. They are not people. ...sorry I was thinking about this from a strict reading of the constitution. Forgot that was thrown out the window by.... conservatives? Damn. Just Damn.

Re:Offensive

[Anonymous Coward]

has more to do with social prototypes than feminist sensitivities.

"dont get yur panties in a wad."

Confusing freedom, privacy, and openness

[Mr. Underbridge]

Is it just me, or is the author completely confusing the notions of privacy online with the open source movement? He mentions the comparison many times, yet the only relevant factor I can see is that Firefox happens to be open-source.

In any event, if Mozilla is caving to the tracking mafia, I will cease to use it. And if Google is behind it, I'll have to rethink their services as well. The notion that I have to tell them everything I do to use online services is preposterous. Get a business model that doesn't depend on spying.

Be happy about it because they want to do it?

[interkin3tic]

They're a company not a charity, it will be easier for them to succeed if they "limit the openess of the web," and the have rights too.

That sounds like three (or really two) reasons why commercial open source compaies have interests that may be counter to ours. That does -not- sound like it's a good reason we should be happy about it when those interests conflict, nor do they sound like reasons to get on board with things like advertiser tracking.

Matt's wrong about FSF

[ciaran_o_riordan]

I think Matt's portrayal of FSF is disingenuous.

He says that pressure from Google convinced FSF to not "close the ASP loophole", but that's not how it was.

FSF wanted to close the ASP loophole (by putting the Affero clause into GPLv3), but many software developers and many companies were against this.

This left FSF with the choice of producing their ideal licence, and few people using it, or producing a licence that was an improvement compared to GPLv2, and more people using it.

The licence exists to give freedom to users and to protect distributors from patent attacks. It can't do these things if no one uses it! So FSF reluctantly left the Affero clause out of GPLv3.

Same goes for the patent clause. FSF could have put a waaay broader patent grant into GPLv3, but then the patent holders simply wouldn't distribute any GPLv3'd software.

Instead, FSF started with GPLv2 and looked at every section where they could get more freedom and more protections for the distributors and the users, while ensuring that it would be used by software projects and that companies would distribute GPLv3 software. That's what it means to be pragmatic.

(Selling out your users is completely different and shouldn't be called "pragmatic")

Re:Tracking is evil

[beakerMeep]

I'm not sure explicit consent is required as much as a singular, easy-to-find method of opting out.

It should be created in a way that doesn't cause websites to freeze or browsers to crash. If a website wants to require tracking in exchange for displaying content, that is their right, however the current state of things web apps just fail and crash and generally don't behave correctly when cookies aren't enabled or JavaScript is disabled.
 
This is the very thing Mozilla (and the W3C) need to lead the charge on. No closed source company is going to push for this. In fact, this seems like part of why Firefox was created. IE had a hegemony on the market and it was harming to end users that they didnt protect privacy, implement standards, and was generally bloaty and insecure. If Mozilla cant hold true to their mission, perhaps it's time to fork it.

Re:That's to say, it has been proven without track

[ciaran_o_riordan]

How many programs do you have installed? 100? How many need to sell information about you in order to exist?

Other than your browser, the answer's zero. In my opinion, including the browser, it's still zero.

Re:Tracking is evil

[AuMatar]

Try of opting in. The default should be privacy, and anyone who wishes to can waive that right.